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Dec 13, 2016 12:41:51   #
selmslie Loc: Fernandina Beach, FL, USA
 
JohnFrim wrote:
... Wind Chill, Wind Chill Index, Wind Chill Factor, Wind Chill Equivalent Temperature, and Real Feel are all attempts to quantify this phenomenon, and some try to do it in terms that relate to the human perception of cold. ...

Anyone who doubts that it is a purely human concept might consider how it would feel to frolic naked in the snow with a 102F fever. My dog used to love it. It would have finished me off.

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Dec 13, 2016 13:02:43   #
JohnFrim Loc: Somewhere in the Great White North.
 
selmslie wrote:
... consider how it would feel to frolic naked in the snow...

I may try that on 2 Jan at 2 PM. My house backs onto a lake and I am inviting a "few foolish friends" to join me in a Polar Bear Plunge. Those afraid of the cold water may want to settle for a roll in the snow.

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Dec 13, 2016 23:19:54   #
wdross Loc: Castle Rock, Colorado
 
JohnFrim wrote:
Comments on Wind Chill:

The posts over Wind Chill and whether or not it affects cameras and batteries has been both entertaining and illuminating, not only regarding the science/truths/myths/misconceptions about Wind Chill, but also about the individuals doing the posting!! Most people seem to get the concept, and much of the disagreement involves semantics and nitpicking over terminology. So let me put out a few facts about heat transfer and Wind Chill so that readers can distill what they like from the banter.

First, since credentials seem to be important to some folks in establishing credibility, I have BS and MS degrees in Physics and a PhD in Biophysics. I was the Canadian military’s expert on heat and cold stress for most of my research career, and I served on many NATO and other international panels dealing with environmental ergonomics. FWIW, one of the scientists on the Joint Action Group for Temperature Indices that redefined the Wind Chill Index for North America in November 2001 worked under my direction on that project.

The essence of Wind Chill is the increase in convective heat transfer due to the wind. In the absence of wind there is a thin boundary layer of air around every object, and it provides a small amount of thermal resistance (insulation) against heat transfer. As wind velocity increases the boundary layer gets stripped away and the result is an increase in heat transfer (loss) via convection. Wind Chill, Wind Chill Index, Wind Chill Factor, Wind Chill Equivalent Temperature, and Real Feel are all attempts to quantify this phenomenon, and some try to do it in terms that relate to the human perception of cold.

The original Wind Chill Index describes the cooling power of the wind in relation to the rate of heat loss from human skin at a mean skin temperature of 33 Celsius (that is the basis of the factor "33 - Ta" in the equation; check Wikipedia). The units are kcal/square meter/hour, or Watts/square meter. Note that you cannot derive these heat flux density units from the "units" of the components of the equation; hence, it is an empirically derived index. Values greater than 1400 exceed the body's capacity to provide enough heat to the tissues to prevent freezing/frostbite in less than 1 minute.

Wind Chill Equivalent Temperature is a calculated temperature that would provide the same sensation of cooling to bare skin that is initially at 33 Celsius with minimal (but not zero) wind speed. As such it has no direct relationship to inanimate objects that have no metabolism, or even skin that is at a different temperature. It also does not apply directly to body parts that are insulated or protected against the cold and wind.

Regarding cameras and batteries — or even human body parts, covered or not, alive or dead (but warmer than ambient) — colder temperatures and higher wind speeds will cause all of these things to cool more quickly. And as has been correctly stated, the items will not become colder than ambient temperature (unless there is evaporation of fluid from a damp surface). The cooling curve is exponential, and the instantaneous rate of cooling depends on the temperature difference between the object and the ambient temperature, the wind speed, the amount of insulation around the object, and its internal heat production. Regarding the latter point, the battery in the camera should cool more slowly if the camera is "on" due to self-heating, but the benefit of this in extending battery life might be negligible.

So while the Wind Chill Index, Wind Chill Factor or Wind Chill Equivalent Temperature do not apply quantitatively to cameras, they can be used in a comparative manner to say whether weather conditions on a given day are harsher or gentler than on another. A higher Wind Chill Factor or a lower Wind Chill Equivalent Temperature will definitely cause more rapid cooling of your equipment than if the values are “milder.”

The effect of cold on lubricants has already been mentioned (and seemingly dismissed because of modern lubricants), but two other factors to consider are mechanical shrinking of parts and the physical difficulty of using your camera due to gloves or cold bare fingers. Mechanical movements for autofocus, stopping down the diaphragm, and even image stabilization will undoubtedly be affected to some degree, but hopefully not enough to prevent anyone from getting pictures in the cold. And on the plus side, the sensor thermal noise floor should be lower in the cold.

Happy shooting!!!
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Yeah, what he said!

Thanks for stating it more succinctly than most of the rest of us.

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Dec 13, 2016 23:59:14   #
boomer826 Loc: Florida gulf coast
 
JohnFrim wrote:
I may try that on 2 Jan at 2 PM. My house backs onto a lake and I am inviting a "few foolish friends" to join me in a Polar Bear Plunge. Those afraid of the cold water may want to settle for a roll in the snow.
. You guys are crazy, jumping into that freezing cold water. I live here in Florida, right now the gulf is probably around 64*. There is no way I would even go into the gulf this time of year. Don't know how you all do it, more power to you, but I will pass !

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Dec 14, 2016 02:11:03   #
dickwilber Loc: Indiana (currently)
 
LFingar wrote:
Lubricants are affected by temperature but I don't recall ever hearing of anyone having an issue with modern cameras and the modern, probably synthetic, lubricants they use. In extreme circumstances I could see it having an effect on auto focus but I don't recall hearing of it. Like I already said, you will probably malfunction before your camera does!


About 20 years ago, I decided to go for a walk along the Delaware Canal in Pennsylvania. Temperature was probably in the 0̊ to 10̊ F range. I thought that might affect my battery driven Nikon, so I opted to get out my all mechanical Olympus SLR, from years before.

It was a great walk, I was invigorated. As I neared home after carrying my camera on a strap, bouncing on my chest, an hour plus later, I decided to stop and take some photos in the late afternoon sunlight. “Gee,” I thought, “shutter sounds strange,” as I fired off a half dozen shots. When I developed the film, it was apparent why the shutter sound had seemed odd, the shots were badly over-exposed – the shutter had been severely slowed, the lubricants had stiffened in the cold.

I haven’t had a similar situation with any of my more modern gear, where the camera was exposed to the cold without protection for a similar period.

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Dec 14, 2016 07:04:32   #
JohnFrim Loc: Somewhere in the Great White North.
 
I have taken film SLRs on Arctic military exercises (ambient never got above -35 C) and ski vacations (maybe as cold as -15 C), always keeping the camera under my parka or ski jacket and simply pulling it out for the shot, so I don't think the camera ever got really cold. Some of those cameras had rubberized silk shutter curtains, and I worried about them and/or the film breaking if it got really cold. Although a bit cumbersome, I never had camera issues with this approach and would recommend it to anyone when feasible. If you use multiple big lenses you might be best served with a multi-pocket camera vest under an outer coat that is a size or two larger than you would normally wear.

More recently I have taken a DSLR to Iceland where I used a tripod extensively, so I simply kept the camera on the tripod and carried it around fully exposed to the air for many hours. Temperatures ranged from +6 C to -4 C, so not excessively cold, but again I had no problems. The biggest nuisance was removing and replacing the plastic bag I was using as a rain cover.

I am not sure if there would be zero issues with a camera that has been cold soaked in temperatures lower than -20 C, but I don't think there would be any real damage such as torn silk shutter curtains or cracked film strips. I suspect zooming may be stiffer and the lens might have trouble with auto-focussing quickly. The aperture may not close fast enough to the right setting and the shutter may close more slowly, both contributing to overexposure (hey, you get auto-ETTR for free), but I suspect the camera would recover after warming up again.

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Dec 14, 2016 08:10:52   #
happy sailor Loc: Ontario, Canada
 
markie1425 wrote:
I searched UHH unsuccessfully for "freeze" or "freezing" before posting this question.

I consider myself to be a street photographer and never leave home without a camera. Camera portability and image quality are most important to me. In the days of film, I had multiple bodies and lenses and even a Rolleiflex, but moved past that decades ago. My largest body is the T2i and I use that only to photograph high school reunions. Otherwise, my daily carries are either the Canon S95 and the Panasonic Lumix DMC-LX100.
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FOR WHAT ITS WORTH, the temperature here has been 14 to 20 F for the past couple of weeks, my camera has been in the trunk of my car for those two weeks, I have a Canon 6d with a battery grip and two Canon batteries in it. I used the camera two weeks ago to shot the lighting of the Christmas lights in town and haven't done any shooting since. Yesterday, I grabbed the camera out of the car trunk and took a few pictures out in the yard, the only worry I had was not to drop the camera in the snow. I then brought the camera in the house because I plan on shooting indoors later today at a Christmas concert so want the camera at room temperature.

Just checked my battery levels and one is at 89 percent and the other at 82 percent, I think any regular camera will do fine in the temperatures you are talking about.

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