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Dec 6, 2016 13:54:56   #
Jim Bob
 
Sinewsworn wrote:
Your immaturity is showing again.
You 12 year olds really do not see life as it is. For instance, it is easy for you to sit back and snipe at others from the safety of mommy's home. The big, scary real world so intimidates you that you must get back in the ways you can- social media and the like. Instead of facing reality and working through it with the help of others, such as on this OPEN forum. No, things Will Not be run the way, in your little, immature mind you wish for things to run.
Get a real, adult life! I can help but charge $350.00 per hour (cheap BTW) with a twelve session minimum. Lets start!
Your immaturity is showing again. br You 12 year o... (show quote)

Ibid.

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Dec 6, 2016 13:55:22   #
Jim Bob
 
tdekany wrote:
See what happens when you are called out? You can't even defend yourself intelligently. Don't forget to put on your "depends" when you go out with the nurse later on for a walk. Make sure you hold onto her.


Ibid.

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Dec 6, 2016 15:12:42   #
Peterff Loc: O'er The Hills and Far Away, in Themyscira.
 
Sinewsworn wrote:
And so Mr. Stalin your opinion is the only valid one, right?


Actually, it is just the opposite. It is MT that fits your description in this situation if you look at the threads on Canon Shutter count for a T6s. http://www.uglyhedgehog.com/t-426820-1.html where MT strongly makes a completely erroneous statement, but does not allow for a polite response. Note where he says "On the T6I and T6s it can ONLY be retrieved by Canon. Aftermarket programs will not yet read their processors.", which is a very debatable statement and extremely likely to be untrue.

If you then look at http://www.uglyhedgehog.com/t-426893-1.html . MT is absolutely incorrect again but is not willing to engage in a civil debate, questions my information, tries to discredit it and myself and is still proven wrong, and not only by myself. However, he has not been willing to address the issue.

In this current thread MT again attacks other members way before I took a shot at him.

MT does provide much value on a regular basis, but he is also guilty of proliferating misinformation at times yet seems unwilling to address questions about his mistakes and is quick to criticize those that question him. Stalin was regarded as a tyrant. As is Putin. Is it possible that MT exhibits some of those characteristics that cause others to question him? He does not respond well to questions that criticize his viewpoint.

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Dec 6, 2016 15:17:46   #
Peterff Loc: O'er The Hills and Far Away, in Themyscira.
 
Sinewsworn wrote:
Is your 'reality' chemically induced?
Why the vitriol against a member who answered a request from another member.


No, it is not chemically induced. The honest answer is that MT sometimes makes authoritative statements that are in fact completely incorrect. However, he is not willing to discuss those errors. In this thread I have tried to state that I have no issues with his response on the topic of refurbs, it seems fine, but in other threads where he is incorrect he completely fails to address the issues raised and resorts to insulting people who question him or just trying to dismiss the individual concerned. In fact, he seems well qualified to be a politician!

Although this kind of online exchange is both undesirable and uncomfortable, MT and others began the insult exchange way before I joined in. Every now and again people need to be called to heel when they spread misinformation from a 'bully pulpit'. MT needs to be called to heel occasionally, but seems to object to anyone questioning his particular version of the t***h. At times he is full of bluster but lacks the information to support his case.

People can clearly make up their own minds, but if they wish to believe sometimes inaccurate information without question, then that is up to them.

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Dec 6, 2016 15:49:50   #
SharpShooter Loc: NorCal
 
Jim Bob wrote:
You're right.

would eat his sh*t and call it caviar.



Jimmy Boy, I've got to hand it to you, every now and then you come up with a REAL nugget.
Im gonna steal this from you...., from now on, when I use the word CAVIAR, I really mean SH*T!!!
SS

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Dec 6, 2016 16:17:09   #
Reinaldokool Loc: San Rafael, CA
 
MT Shooter wrote:
Since you ask, I will answer.
Refurbished gear comes from several sources. Dealer demos, trade show demos, and customer returns being the most common. (How many of you have bought items to "evaluate" and then returned them?)
All these items get checked by a service technician for appearance and function, any glaring or obvious issues are corrected and the item is removed with proper accessories and then made available as refurbished products. Firmware updates are often, but not always installed.
Contrary to some opinions these items are NOT fully or rigorously examined and issues can be missed if a specific error or issue was not detailed in the return package. But overall refurbished items do have a better record of reliability than assembly line items which only receive random spot check inspections. Pro level gear is different as each body and lens receives a number of assembly inspections during the manufacturing process.
Refurbished are, in general, a good way to save some money over brand new. Canon provides the same one year warranty as they have on their new gear while other manufacturers limit their return to 90 day warranties. But some dealers will extend that 90 days to a full year at no extra cost.
Do keep in mind that this info ONLY relates to "Factory Refurbished" items, anything sold as "seller refurbished" is meaningless and simply states all you are getting is a used product with no verifiable warranty.
So there you go, let's the trolls descend on me as they will.
Since you ask, I will answer. br Refurbished gear ... (show quote)


Since I have been caught in this, I can say that "refurbished" means nothing. "Seller refurbished" means about the same thing. The only refurbished worthy of purchase is "Nikon/Canon/Sony etc. Factory refurbished" I have purchased several cameras and other items. The one time I missed was buying a Lenovo "refurbished" laptop from Tigerdirect. One of the USB ports didn't work, it would sometimes fail to boot, and the power cable had electrician's tape wrapped around a bad splice. Tigerdirect has a very difficult to use return policy on some of their refurb products and I had a hassle getting them to take the damn thing back.

To be fair, I have purchased a factory refurb Epson projector from Tigerdirect and it has continued to work for three years.

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Dec 6, 2016 17:24:52   #
SharpShooter Loc: NorCal
 
MT Shooter wrote:


LOL,chooses to ignore all facts
actually believes all his own BS.
That's just what all politicians do.


LoL'er
This would be a typical eMTy response.
He is quick to insult and attack people's characters along with their occupations.
As Peterff so aptly pointed out, he has now put tail between legs and has hightailed into the debts of the camera cave, knowing he has lackeys behind him to do all his mop up. LoL
SS

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Dec 6, 2016 17:35:20   #
SharpShooter Loc: NorCal
 
tdekany wrote:
SS - did you know that MT actually has Canon gear?


td, I know he has some Canon gear in his rental fleet, as statistical there are more Canons out there than Nikon's, so Canon rental should be more frequent.
He has also bragged many times in the past that he takes 28 Canons in on trade-ins for Nikon gear for every Canon he actually sells.
At that rate, what businessman would stock Canon items?
Or was that all BS?!
SS

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Dec 6, 2016 17:37:48   #
Peterff Loc: O'er The Hills and Far Away, in Themyscira.
 
SharpShooter wrote:
LoL'er
This would be a typical eMTy response.
He is quick to insult and attack people's characters along with their occupations.
As Peterff so aptly pointed out, he has now put tail between legs and has hightailed into the debts of the camera cave, knowing he has lackeys behind him to do all his mop up. LoL
SS


Now that is funny! Did you mean 'debts' or 'depths'? They could both be true!

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Dec 6, 2016 17:39:09   #
SharpShooter Loc: NorCal
 
jethro779 wrote:
Politician???? No wonder he can talk without saying anything.


And I've never even talked to this Joker!!!
SS

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Dec 6, 2016 17:43:21   #
alfaman
 
Wow; Certainly agree with Mark: nine pages of substantially vitriol. I've learned a lot from UHH but comments like the aforementioned keep me from becoming more involved lest I be bludgeoned for not making the appropriate comment. Where are the administrators as today's comments were way out of line.

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Dec 6, 2016 17:52:38   #
jethro779 Loc: Tucson, AZ
 
SharpShooter wrote:
And I've never even talked to this Joker!!!
SS


Actually you did make a comment to me during a discussion about a Canon Coolpix point & shoot. Since I can't have my big hands shrunk in any way short of surgery, I guess the remark about big hands was apropos.

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Dec 6, 2016 18:07:02   #
Peterff Loc: O'er The Hills and Far Away, in Themyscira.
 
alfaman wrote:
Wow; Certainly agree with Mark: nine pages of substantially vitriol. I've learned a lot from UHH but comments like the aforementioned keep me from becoming more involved lest I be bludgeoned for not making the appropriate comment. Where are the administrators as today's comments were way out of line.


Phew, that's a relief! I thought it was yesterday when I poured oil of vitriol over MT, which he just might possibly have earned.

On the other hand, alfaman, why would you get bludgeoned? I don't think any of us actually like these little cat fights, but those that spread misinformation do sometimes need to be challenged. There is nothing that I see in any of your posts that is contentious.

I also tend to agree with Mark, and I certainly did send a very strongly worded post in MT's direction, but his history is a matter of record and as someone who presents himself as an authority, he needs to to live up to a higher standard. Unfortunately it is difficult to get his attention without sending a laser guided missive in his direction.

I apologize if I have caused you and others some discomfort, but as a self proclaimed professional MT needs to support his assertions with evidence or accept that even he may be wrong at times. As far as refurbs are concerned I completely respect his viewpoint. When it comes to things Canon related, shutter count et al, he's usually skating on thin ice, which anyone from Montana should know is a risky proposition.

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Dec 6, 2016 18:11:11   #
markngolf Loc: Bridgewater, NJ
 
I don't think ADMIN interferes with these type "dialogues". It would improve the site for the rest of us, if ADMIN did monitor and keep it sane and free of this type vitriolic chatter. Maybe, freedom of press & speech prohibit that.
Thanks for your support.
Mark
alfaman wrote:
Wow; Certainly agree with Mark: nine pages of substantially vitriol. I've learned a lot from UHH but comments like the aforementioned keep me from becoming more involved lest I be bludgeoned for not making the appropriate comment. Where are the administrators as today's comments were way out of line.

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Dec 6, 2016 18:11:25   #
unanchored Loc: san diego ca
 
having read through the entire thread, I will risk a response. MT shooter does provide good information - he is not or is anyone else infallible. a simple polite disagreement is appropriate -and with the providing of presumed correct information. Private message is probably the better way to go for more in depth disagreements. the Troll comment I took to be he knew he would be attacked no matter what his answer is/was. and he was right about being attacked. since none of the vitriol actually claimed he was wrong. call him on wrong answers by all means - how else can we learn and let the rest of use decide what to believe.

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