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Oct 20, 2016 00:52:48   #
ballsafire Loc: Lafayette, Louisiana
 
Peterff wrote:
OK, so then it becomes a different issue. It may be exactly like the one on the left which is a 'new FD or FDn' bayonet mount, or the original FD breach lock mount. Any adapter for these lenses will need a corrective lens to focus properly at infinity, which many people think can compromise image quality. The other way is to replace the individual lens mount which is only really worth doing for good glass and non trivial. See the link I posted about what is possible. Also, this is generally not worth doing with full frame EOS cameras, there can be serious mirror contact issues.

If you wish to discuss using old Canon FD lenses with Canon EOS cameras, feel free to PM me.
OK, so then it becomes a different issue. It may ... (show quote)


So-- I don't think the lens is worth replacing the mount till I have at least tried the adapter with the glass first then if quality becomes a problem, I would maybe do it. I just like to fool around with lenses! Now -- what adapter I should try next -- I now have a useless M42 to EOS adapter. You know your stuff!

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Oct 20, 2016 00:57:34   #
ballsafire Loc: Lafayette, Louisiana
 
rehess wrote:
If it is "exactly" (*) like that lens, then yes, it is an FD-mount.

(*) I inherited an old Canon camera that my mother used to take pictures of grandbabies {they are all in their twenties now}, and I see that the index markings are less prominent on the other two {Vivitar} lenses.


Well, well I may have my problem half way solved short of getting an FD adapter with glass. Thanks!

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Oct 20, 2016 01:12:43   #
rehess Loc: South Bend, Indiana, USA
 
ballsafire wrote:
Well, well I may have my problem half way solved short of getting an FD adapter with glass. Thanks!
you are very welcome

ballsafire wrote:
So-- I don't think the lens is worth replacing the mount till I have at least tried the adapter with the glass first then if quality becomes a problem, I would maybe do it. I just like to fool around with lenses! Now -- what adapter I should try next -- I now have a useless M42 to EOS adapter. You know your stuff!
If your real interest is in "playing" with old stuff, keep the M42-to-EF adapter, and the next time you have a yen to experiment, look for lenses that are specifically advertised as M42. That was the Pentax mount until 1975, and Practika {East Germans} / Soviets used it for some time later, so there are all kinds of fascinating old stuff out there using that mount {there is a reason why I could quickly put my hands on one - I was going to use a Soviet "Mir" lens, but it is funky in several ways, so I thought I should use a "Super Takumar" which would be more like other Japanese products}.

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Oct 20, 2016 01:12:49   #
RWR Loc: La Mesa, CA
 
ballsafire wrote:
I did see some threads inside the lens but my adapter does not fit them ...

Sounds like your lens has a bayonet mount, most likely Pentax K, and what looks like internal threads are baffling grooves. An M42 lens mount will have 42mm diameter male threads, and the correct adapter will have corresponding female threads.
ballsafire wrote:
I do see in the back of the lens where there is a long "blade" sticking out with another shorter "blade" that gets in the way of adding an adapter.

Those blades communicate with the camera for diaphragm control and metering. No adapter that I’m aware of will fit inside any lens mount.
Post some clear pictures of the lens mount, side (top) and end views, along with your adapter, and you'll get more help.

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Oct 20, 2016 01:19:16   #
ballsafire Loc: Lafayette, Louisiana
 
RWR wrote:
Those blades communicate with the camera for diaphragm control and metering. No adapter that I’m aware of will fit inside any lens mount.
Post some clear pictures of the lens mount, side (top) and end views, along with your adapter, and you'll get more help.


I am tired and need to go to bed but I promise that I will post fotos tomorrow. Good night..zzzzzzzzetc

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Oct 20, 2016 01:28:55   #
RWR Loc: La Mesa, CA
 
ballsafire wrote:
I am tired and need to go to bed but I promise that I will post fotos tomorrow. Good night..zzzzzzzzetc

I was too interested in the ball game while typing and totally missed the later comments. As usual, just disregard!

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Oct 20, 2016 06:05:09   #
jerryc41 Loc: Catskill Mts of NY
 
ballsafire wrote:
I am tired of ordering old lenses on Ebay because the lens adapter will not fit my Canon T1i/500d (crop 1.6). Today I received the "Sears auto multi-coated 1:2.8 f=135mm Dia. 52mm model101737388" lens; in other words, a ventage Sears f/2.8 135mm lens. I don't have any clue why the "M42- EOS" adapter I ordered doesn't fit. So-- is it some kind of FD lens? I tried to do a lot of research but as of now not succeeded - please help if you know.


I prefer not to use adapters. A simple solution would be to put those old lenses on ebay, one at a time. Use the money to buy a modern lens on ebay, maybe a zoom in the 28-300 range.

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Oct 20, 2016 06:06:35   #
jerryc41 Loc: Catskill Mts of NY
 
RWR wrote:
I was too interested in the ball game while typing and totally missed the later comments. As usual, just disregard!


Funny, but when people talk about "the game," I have to think about what season it is and then figure what sport is being played. Not a sports fan. All sports means to me is having to set the TiVo for an extra hour because the game is probably not going end on time.

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Oct 20, 2016 10:25:17   #
agillot
 
is it a T mount lens , or a pentax early screw mount [ before bayonet ].

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Oct 20, 2016 10:45:01   #
rehess Loc: South Bend, Indiana, USA
 
agillot wrote:
is it a T mount lens , or a pentax early screw mount [ before bayonet ].
Since you selected "Reply" instead of "Quote Reply", I have absolutely no idea who this is directed at; however you might be interested to know that the screw mount used by Pentax before 1975 was a generic mount used by various other companies, mostly Soviet, and is officially known as the M42 mount.

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Oct 20, 2016 11:27:43   #
GENorkus Loc: Washington Twp, Michigan
 
ballsafire wrote:
I am tired of ordering old lenses on Ebay because the lens adapter will not fit my Canon T1i/500d (crop 1.6). Today I received the "Sears auto multi-coated 1:2.8 f=135mm Dia. 52mm model101737388" lens; in other words, a ventage Sears f/2.8 135mm lens. I don't have any clue why the "M42- EOS" adapter I ordered doesn't fit. So-- is it some kind of FD lens? I tried to do a lot of research but as of now not succeeded - please help if you know.


From earlier chatting on this site, I found out my inherited old Sears analog camera used Richo lenses. One offering kit came with a 50 f2.8 and a 135 f2.8, both M42 screw-on lenses. Richo made them with Pentax mechanics so you're actually adapting a Pentax lens to your Canon.

If you really want to use those lenses, my suggestion would be to find a used Pentax dslr on Ebay or Amazon. Very basically speaking, around the 6 meg Pentax dslr's are going for under $100 (USD), the 10 meg dslr for around $200, the 14 and the older 16 meg are going for $300 to $400, newer for around $500 to $800 and maybe $1200. Those lenses are made for full frame use so if you have the cash the new Pentax-Richo K1 is around $1800. Probably more considering accessories and state taxes.

Pentax prides themselves on being "backward" compatible, (able to use old lenses on new cameras). With a simple M42 adapter on the Pentax dslr, you should have no problems unless someone modifier the lens to fit their other brand camera.

One other thing. When you say it doesn't work, I hope you are not wanting them to auto focus, it was manual focus only. All possible back then was auto aperture. A small amount of lenses didn't have auto aperture either. Those were 100% manual.

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Oct 20, 2016 11:34:59   #
ballsafire Loc: Lafayette, Louisiana
 
rehess wrote:
Since you selected "Reply" instead of "Quote Reply", I have absolutely no idea who this is directed at; however you might be interested to know that the screw mount used by Pentax before 1975 was a generic mount used by various other companies, mostly Soviet, and is officially known as the M42 mount.

Here are the photos I promised -- I hope this helps identifying the mount.















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Oct 20, 2016 11:57:34   #
TriX Loc: Raleigh, NC
 
ballsafire wrote:
Here are the photos I promised -- I hope this helps identifying the mount.
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Here are the photos I promised -- I hope this help... (show quote)


Ballafire, you're going to need to attach these (first click "choose file" in your reply, THEN click "add attachment")These are simply paths to the files on your computer and can't be opened by us...

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Oct 20, 2016 12:57:04   #
amfoto1 Loc: San Jose, Calif. USA
 
ballsafire wrote:
I am tired of ordering old lenses on Ebay because the lens adapter will not fit my Canon T1i/500d (crop 1.6). Today I received the "Sears auto multi-coated 1:2.8 f=135mm Dia. 52mm model101737388" lens; in other words, a ventage Sears f/2.8 135mm lens. I don't have any clue why the "M42- EOS" adapter I ordered doesn't fit. So-- is it some kind of FD lens? I tried to do a lot of research but as of now not succeeded - please help if you know.



Sears offered lenses to fit all the major manufacturers' cameras, in a wide variety of mounts. "M42 to EOS" is just one of many different possibilities (a threaded screw mount used by earlier Pentax, among others).

If we could see it, we might be able to identify it. Or, it might be marked somehow, somewhere on the lens, perhaps near the base or on the rear... something like "for yada/yada cameras" or "CA/FD" or Nikon F".

"Sears auto multi-coated 1:2.8 f=135mm Dia. 52mm model101737388" is just the basic lens info, I'm sure on the finishing ring on the front of the lens. That just tells us the max aperture, that it's multi-coated, focal length, filter diameter and the lens' serial number.

The good news is that most vintage lens mounts can be adapted for use on Canon EOS/EF mount cameras (Sony mount is also able to handle a lot of different ones via adapters.... In contrast, Nikon, Pentax and Olympus are pretty much limited to lenses in their own vintage mounts).

Incidentally, Sears was a really big source of photo equipment in the 1950s through 1970s... but they out-sourced everything, never actually made any lenses or cameras themselves, just bought from a manufacturer and had the Sears name printed on it. Hard to say who actually made that lens... might be Tokina or Sigma or a few dozen other companies. Might be good... or might not. Odds are that a prime 135mm is a pretty good, capable lens (as opposed to zooms from that era... which were largely crappola... especially most of the out-sourced ones.)




VERY IMPORTANT EDIT: Uh oh! Now I see the photos and can tell you that's a vintage Canon FD/FL mount lens. Unfortunately that's one of the few vintage mounts that's not very practical to adapt for use on modern Canon EOS/EF cameras. You can get Canon FD/FL to Canon EOS adapters.... but those adapters need to have optics in them to be able to focus the lens to infinity, and those optics are usually pretty poor quality, ruining the images made with the lens. The alternative is an adapter without optics (or remove the optics from one).... gives better image quality, but the lens won't be able to focus all the way to greater distances and infinity. Now, maybe you don't need to have that particular lens focus all the way to infinity.... if so, it might be usable.

Another nuance with Canon FD/FL mount lenses is that they "park" and lock the aperture at f5.6 when removed from the camera. To work properly, any adapter has to be designed to press down on a pin to "unlock" the aperture, allowing you to manually control it across its full range (probably f2.8 to f16 or f22). Note: with any adapted lens, you can only use your camera in M or Av mode. You won't get correct exposure in P, Tv or any of the "Scene" presets such as the "Running Man"/Sports.

If you do decide to buy an adapter for it, I recommend the "chipped" type even though they cost a little more. The main advantage of that type of adapter is that your camera will be able to provide Focus Confirmation, which can be quite helpful since manually focusing vintage lenses with modern cameras designed for AF can be difficult. There are cheaper "unchipped" adapters, but the difference is usually only about $10 or $15.

More info about adapting vintage lenses for use on modern Canon EOS/EF cameras, including which mounts are easily adapted and which are not, can be found here: http://bobatkins.com/photography/eosfaq/manual_focus_EOS.html

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Oct 20, 2016 13:13:50   #
ballsafire Loc: Lafayette, Louisiana
 
amfoto1 wrote:
Sears offered lenses to fit all the major manufacturers' cameras, in a wide variety of mounts. "M42 to EOS" is just one of many different possibilities (a threaded screw mount used by earlier Pentax, among others).

If we could see it, we might be able to identify it. Or, it might be marked somehow, somewhere on the lens, perhaps near the base or on the rear... something like "for yada/yada cameras" or "CA/FD" or Nikon F".

"Sears auto multi-coated 1:2.8 f=135mm Dia. 52mm model101737388" is just the basic lens info, I'm sure on the finishing ring on the front of the lens. That just tells us the max aperture, that it's multi-coated, focal length, filter diameter and the lens' serial number.
The good news is that most vintage lens mounts can be adapted for use on Canon EOS/EF mount cameras (Sony mount is also able to handle a lot of different ones via adapters.... In contrast, Nikon, Pentax and Olympus are pretty much limited to lenses in their own vintage mounts).

Incidentally, Sears was a really big source of photo equipment in the 1950s through 1970s... but they out-sourced everything, never actually made any lenses or cameras themselves, just bought from a manufacturer and had the Sears name printed on it. Hard to say who actually made that lens... might be Tokina or Sigma or a few dozen other companies. Might be good... or might not. Odds are that a prime 135mm is a pretty good, capable lens (as opposed to zooms from that era... which were largely crappola... especially most of the out-sourced ones.)
Sears offered lenses to fit all the major manufact... (show quote)


So -- you provided a lot of good information but I am still not absolutely sure what mount is used and if there is a simple adapter to use this lens on my Canon T1i (cropped 1.6) DSLR camera. I thought from the photos provided someone would know. I'm brave so don't hesitate to tell me bad news LOL.

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