Why do police shoot the unarmed?
Oct 16, 2016 23:00:22 #
Oct 16, 2016 23:11:42 #
fantom wrote:
good post
I think that sometimes I've been working in this environment too long and it has been said that it changes people. This may be true for some but my tolerance for stupid is as low as it ever was and I don't have any respect for people who put on a badge or uniform and think they are better than anyone else. My job is not to punish, that has been done. I'm a glorified baby sitter but I've been known to tell inmates that "I'm a nice guy until you make me do my job".
Oct 16, 2016 23:24:10 #
mdfenton wrote:
Down South it is called target practice.
Oct 17, 2016 12:20:43 #
wilpharm: expected reply from naggy the gun grabber....anyone who teaches their kids to disrespect cops willl possibly attend their kids funerals..
WHat part of teaching your kids respect for the law do you not understand????????
Nagy: You are an abject stinking liar. I never taught anyone to disrespect cops. It is you who fails to understand the law. You demonstrate it this time by attempting to gloss over the enormous number of unarmed people k**led by cops in America. Your i.q. must be measured in negative numbers, or perhaps imaginary numbers.
WHat part of teaching your kids respect for the law do you not understand????????
Nagy: You are an abject stinking liar. I never taught anyone to disrespect cops. It is you who fails to understand the law. You demonstrate it this time by attempting to gloss over the enormous number of unarmed people k**led by cops in America. Your i.q. must be measured in negative numbers, or perhaps imaginary numbers.
Oct 17, 2016 12:39:57 #
Mike D.: I never said that there aren't bad cops in the world and I'm sorry that you had to experience such things but there are schmucks in everyone's world, not just yours.
Nagy: You are doing your signal best to avoid facing up to the problem; TOO MANY cops lawlessly bullying and even shooting down people. The example I cited is not about a few bad apples; it is about the corruption of the entire police department in West Lafayette, Indiana. If I were wrong about that, the cop who put the handcuffs on me would not have felt he could with impunity, invite every cop to bash my brains out. His invitation was heard by the entire department, but no one disciplined him. If the lawyer/politician had not arrived on the scene, I am sure I would be several decades dead. When they found out they had given the wrong guy brain damage, they would have shot me to cover up the evidence of their crime, planted my dead finger prints on that "untraceable" gun, and pulled the trigger. I would have been written off as a man who recently acquired a graduate degree, but somehow became mixed up in drug dealing, and died in a shootout with cops. Repeat; not a few bad apples; way too many bad apples.
Mike D.: It's pretty obvious that the experience left you with some sour grapes but it doesn't need to dictate your life. Try being Black anywhere in the South. R****m is still very much alive and well and yet great things still come from those who can get past it. Perhaps you should do the same...
Nagy: You are misusing sour grapes. It means after failing to have something one wanted, declaring it was not worth having anyway. You mean my judgment is tainted. That is false, too. My opinion that there are too many cops who are lawless bullies and even murderers is not based on personal experience alone. Cop k*****gs of people in the US lead the advanced world at a time when crime rates are diminishing. It is a national problem, not just a Peter Nagy problem.
As for my personal case, you need to get a few things past your filters:
1. I have no arrests on my record, but was seriously threatened by cops a number of times, the worst of them being the case in West Lafayette.
2. The incident was a clear case of kidnapping involving some 8-10 officers. They had no right to take me to a remote area, instead of to the police station for booking.
3. They intended severely to assault me. All of them were approaching me with drawn clubs.
4. The radio call inviting them to the spot of their intended crime was heard by everyone with a police radio. There is no way the incident failed to come to the attention of the top police authorities, including the chief of police, yet nothing happened to them.
The incident does not show a few bad apples, but rather a rotten bushel of them.
Nagy: You are doing your signal best to avoid facing up to the problem; TOO MANY cops lawlessly bullying and even shooting down people. The example I cited is not about a few bad apples; it is about the corruption of the entire police department in West Lafayette, Indiana. If I were wrong about that, the cop who put the handcuffs on me would not have felt he could with impunity, invite every cop to bash my brains out. His invitation was heard by the entire department, but no one disciplined him. If the lawyer/politician had not arrived on the scene, I am sure I would be several decades dead. When they found out they had given the wrong guy brain damage, they would have shot me to cover up the evidence of their crime, planted my dead finger prints on that "untraceable" gun, and pulled the trigger. I would have been written off as a man who recently acquired a graduate degree, but somehow became mixed up in drug dealing, and died in a shootout with cops. Repeat; not a few bad apples; way too many bad apples.
Mike D.: It's pretty obvious that the experience left you with some sour grapes but it doesn't need to dictate your life. Try being Black anywhere in the South. R****m is still very much alive and well and yet great things still come from those who can get past it. Perhaps you should do the same...
Nagy: You are misusing sour grapes. It means after failing to have something one wanted, declaring it was not worth having anyway. You mean my judgment is tainted. That is false, too. My opinion that there are too many cops who are lawless bullies and even murderers is not based on personal experience alone. Cop k*****gs of people in the US lead the advanced world at a time when crime rates are diminishing. It is a national problem, not just a Peter Nagy problem.
As for my personal case, you need to get a few things past your filters:
1. I have no arrests on my record, but was seriously threatened by cops a number of times, the worst of them being the case in West Lafayette.
2. The incident was a clear case of kidnapping involving some 8-10 officers. They had no right to take me to a remote area, instead of to the police station for booking.
3. They intended severely to assault me. All of them were approaching me with drawn clubs.
4. The radio call inviting them to the spot of their intended crime was heard by everyone with a police radio. There is no way the incident failed to come to the attention of the top police authorities, including the chief of police, yet nothing happened to them.
The incident does not show a few bad apples, but rather a rotten bushel of them.
Oct 17, 2016 12:43:01 #
PNagy wrote:
wilpharm: expected reply from naggy the gun grabbe... (show quote)
more drivel from naggy the gun-grabber..I hope someone with a gun robs your house & you have a toothpick to defend yourself with..
you will be crying like the baby you are!!!!!!! be sure & explain those "laws" of yours and your "interpretation" of the second amendment while you are at it...Im sure they will be horrified & leave your casa...LMAO at you!!!!
Oct 17, 2016 13:00:09 #
wilpharm wrote:
more drivel from naggy the gun-grabber..I hope someone with a gun robs your house & you have a toothpick to defend yourself with..
you will be crying like the baby you are!!!!!!! be sure & explain those "laws" of yours and your "interpretation" of the second amendment while you are at it...Im sure they will be horrified & leave your casa...LMAO at you!!!!
you will be crying like the baby you are!!!!!!! be sure & explain those "laws" of yours and your "interpretation" of the second amendment while you are at it...Im sure they will be horrified & leave your casa...LMAO at you!!!!
You a full blown broke ass bean eater fool i***t. Also low life. Thank yuh very much.
With no clue what is going on from all your previous posts.
Oct 17, 2016 13:06:54 #
Most Recent Cop Adventure
A few years ago my net door neighbor became very angry at me for seeking to destroy a stray pit bull that had repeatedly invaded my yard and terrorized my wife. He said it was someone's dog nearby, and totally harmless. When I did not buy his interpretation of the sweet creature, he began to threaten me. From the government property where we were standing, I threw the baseball bat into my own yard when he accused me of thinking I was really tough with such a weapon. He threatened to beat the s**t out of me, knock me out, etc. He was yelling very loud profanities. I did not threaten back, nor raise my voice, nor return the profanities. My worst offense, after he repeated dozens of times the threat to nock me out, was to ask, "How do you promise to do that, Hector, with your breath? His entire family aided his angry tirade. The wife cussed me out like a sailor. She then blamed me for her language. "See how you got me talking to you?" She asked. The son -in his 20s- came out to scream at me, "You don't know who the f *** I am." I assured him I had no idea. Hector then called the cops on me. I am sure he did not represent the incident honestly.
One of the cops, a hot-headed white man in his 30s tried to "resolve" the issue by telling me that we were both wrong and needed to "back up." I did not feel like playing that game after having exercised great restraint with Hector and his family. I told him I needed to back up from nothing. I had not returned the threats, the screaming, or the profanity, and was not about to accept the kangaroo judgement that I was somehow responsible for Hector's tantrum.
The cop could not accept anyone not abiding 100% by all his commands. He began to threaten me with arrest for all sorts of things I had not done, like disturbing the peace, resisting arrest, and making terroristic threats, presumably against Hector. I was fortunate that his superior, a black officer, had a different view. He sent the angry moron to talk to Hector while he finished taking my side of the crazy incident. If that more reasonable officer had not been present I would now have an arrest on my record just because I did not accept the arbitrary directives of a heavily armed fool, drunk with power. The brave public defender might have found it necessary to bludgeon me for my fictitious resistance to arrest. Defense against the false charges would undoubtedly have robbed me of several thousand dollars in legal fees, and nothing would have wiped the arrest off my record. I only took the risk, because I am not about to let a nitwit donut-filled i***t tell me how to think, especially after for the most part having taken the high road with Hector.
I did wonder about Hector, whom I had known only since two months earlier, when I moved into the house. I though I could probably fend off his blows hurting him if he did attack me one day, but one can never be sure. What if I had to hit him in self defense? I did not feel like being charged with aggravated assault. To forestall that, I stopped at the police station to make a full report of what Hector and his family had done. I have kept distance between Hector and me ever since. If his drinking drove him to assault me one day, and he proved formidable enough to warrant a more aggressive defense, I would obviously be out of luck with some of the Missouri City police officers.
A few years ago my net door neighbor became very angry at me for seeking to destroy a stray pit bull that had repeatedly invaded my yard and terrorized my wife. He said it was someone's dog nearby, and totally harmless. When I did not buy his interpretation of the sweet creature, he began to threaten me. From the government property where we were standing, I threw the baseball bat into my own yard when he accused me of thinking I was really tough with such a weapon. He threatened to beat the s**t out of me, knock me out, etc. He was yelling very loud profanities. I did not threaten back, nor raise my voice, nor return the profanities. My worst offense, after he repeated dozens of times the threat to nock me out, was to ask, "How do you promise to do that, Hector, with your breath? His entire family aided his angry tirade. The wife cussed me out like a sailor. She then blamed me for her language. "See how you got me talking to you?" She asked. The son -in his 20s- came out to scream at me, "You don't know who the f *** I am." I assured him I had no idea. Hector then called the cops on me. I am sure he did not represent the incident honestly.
One of the cops, a hot-headed white man in his 30s tried to "resolve" the issue by telling me that we were both wrong and needed to "back up." I did not feel like playing that game after having exercised great restraint with Hector and his family. I told him I needed to back up from nothing. I had not returned the threats, the screaming, or the profanity, and was not about to accept the kangaroo judgement that I was somehow responsible for Hector's tantrum.
The cop could not accept anyone not abiding 100% by all his commands. He began to threaten me with arrest for all sorts of things I had not done, like disturbing the peace, resisting arrest, and making terroristic threats, presumably against Hector. I was fortunate that his superior, a black officer, had a different view. He sent the angry moron to talk to Hector while he finished taking my side of the crazy incident. If that more reasonable officer had not been present I would now have an arrest on my record just because I did not accept the arbitrary directives of a heavily armed fool, drunk with power. The brave public defender might have found it necessary to bludgeon me for my fictitious resistance to arrest. Defense against the false charges would undoubtedly have robbed me of several thousand dollars in legal fees, and nothing would have wiped the arrest off my record. I only took the risk, because I am not about to let a nitwit donut-filled i***t tell me how to think, especially after for the most part having taken the high road with Hector.
I did wonder about Hector, whom I had known only since two months earlier, when I moved into the house. I though I could probably fend off his blows hurting him if he did attack me one day, but one can never be sure. What if I had to hit him in self defense? I did not feel like being charged with aggravated assault. To forestall that, I stopped at the police station to make a full report of what Hector and his family had done. I have kept distance between Hector and me ever since. If his drinking drove him to assault me one day, and he proved formidable enough to warrant a more aggressive defense, I would obviously be out of luck with some of the Missouri City police officers.
Oct 17, 2016 13:16:01 #
You know it's a very predictable but equally God Damn Shame that what at 1st started out -- at least that was why I with held breath & crossed fingers made the 1st response - as a semi literate hopefully meaningful discussion regarding a very-very real national problem -- Has yet again evolved into the standard ATTIC name calling session -----
Oct 17, 2016 13:20:00 #
First Cop Adventure
Many decades ago I drove past a cop issuing parking tickets to over 100 cars parked illegally near Indiana University at South Bend. The only reason it was a no parking zone was so I.U. could extort a fee from them all for parking in its several parking lots. I scowled at the cop as I drove by. He hopped on his motorcycle and pulled me over. He demanded my driver's license, checked to see if my registration was current, and asked me an endless series of questions about who I was, where I was going, etc. This d**gged on for nearly 12 minutes before I asked him since I had not done anything illegal, why he pulled me over.
He blurted that I looked back at him, so he thought I might be in some trouble with which he could assist. T***slation; "I did not liker that dirty look you gave me, so I thought I would harass you a bit." If he really wanted to help someone in trouble, he would have asked what the trouble was. By the time he finished his interrogation, it might have been too late to do anything about the trouble.
At least I had my revenge on that ass hole. A few weeks later he and several other cops came to play basketball at a gym I frequented. I matched up against him. I pounded him hard in the course of blocking out on rebounds and every other chance I could, making sure that he left the game bruised up. To his credit, this bully took his beating without complaint.
Many decades ago I drove past a cop issuing parking tickets to over 100 cars parked illegally near Indiana University at South Bend. The only reason it was a no parking zone was so I.U. could extort a fee from them all for parking in its several parking lots. I scowled at the cop as I drove by. He hopped on his motorcycle and pulled me over. He demanded my driver's license, checked to see if my registration was current, and asked me an endless series of questions about who I was, where I was going, etc. This d**gged on for nearly 12 minutes before I asked him since I had not done anything illegal, why he pulled me over.
He blurted that I looked back at him, so he thought I might be in some trouble with which he could assist. T***slation; "I did not liker that dirty look you gave me, so I thought I would harass you a bit." If he really wanted to help someone in trouble, he would have asked what the trouble was. By the time he finished his interrogation, it might have been too late to do anything about the trouble.
At least I had my revenge on that ass hole. A few weeks later he and several other cops came to play basketball at a gym I frequented. I matched up against him. I pounded him hard in the course of blocking out on rebounds and every other chance I could, making sure that he left the game bruised up. To his credit, this bully took his beating without complaint.
Oct 17, 2016 13:37:16 #
Second Cop Adventure
As a sophomore in college, I dropped off a classmate at Rochester, Indiana, where he lived, then attempted to resume my trip home to my parents' home in South Bend. Flashing lights pulled me over. A cop checked my license and subjected me to a lengthy series of questions he had no lawful reason to ask. I finally asked him if there was some charge against me. He said no, but they had been having a series of break-ins around town. What right di he have to stop me just for lawfully driving through town?
As a sophomore in college, I dropped off a classmate at Rochester, Indiana, where he lived, then attempted to resume my trip home to my parents' home in South Bend. Flashing lights pulled me over. A cop checked my license and subjected me to a lengthy series of questions he had no lawful reason to ask. I finally asked him if there was some charge against me. He said no, but they had been having a series of break-ins around town. What right di he have to stop me just for lawfully driving through town?
Oct 17, 2016 14:05:31 #
Cop Adventure from 2006
While I was driving through LaPort, Texas, a huge chuckhole blew out one of my headlights. Soon a cop puled me over for the offense. I wanted to avoid joining the several innocent people across the country cops had gunned down, but I picked the wrong strategy. I popped out of the car before the cop did and held my hands up in the air. I could certainly not be a threat to anyone I thought.
The cop disagreed. He had me go behind my car, partly blocking the view of my photo clients, who stopped 20 yards ahead of me when I was pulled over. He immediately called for backup, and began to interrogate me about the weapons and drugs he said I had in my car. Backup arrived. Now two officers were interrogating me about weapons and drugs I did not have. The second cop stood to my left and slightly behind me, repeatedly addressing the back of my head with his club, like a golfer about to swing. Then things became worse.
I answered one of their questions with a supinating motion of my hands, the international code for "I don't know." The cop contemplating doing in my head screamed, "Do that again and it will be your last time." He meant that a slight turn of my hands still high in the air was reason enough to k**l me.
The angry cop then entered my car to conduct an illegal search. My clients were stopped just ahead of it, so I felt there was a good chance he would not plant drugs in my vehicle. I also though there was a great chance that he would smash my Canon SLR against the door or floor of the car. He returned to threaten me some more, then went a second time into my car. Afterward, my camera, which had been working flawlessly, worked only briefly before going dark. I had to absorb an expensive repair.
I stood over 45 minutes with my hands in the air. It was just months after surgery that involved sawing my sternum in half. The pain was excruciating. My camera was broken, and I was ticked for auto equipment failure. Their real problem might have been my bumper sticker, which read, "Defend America; Defeat Bush." I am sure the ignorant bullies thought Bush was their friend; the same Bush who one day posed for photos with policemen who had survived 9-11, and later that same day v**ed against an allocation for police safety measures.
Besides there serious events I have described here and previous posts, I also took two totally false tickets for moving violations, and my wife had one, too. One cop also cut me off in traffic, nearly causing an accident. I caught up with his unmarked car and chewed him out. He flashed me his badge and laughed. I can do anything I want; I am a cop, he was telling me. Another threatened to shoot me when I hugged a girlfriend I did not know he was pulling over for a traffic ticket. My personal experiences should seriously raise an alarm about the character of at least a huge minority of our police. Otherwise I coincidentally ran into a string of violent, lawless bullies who feel they can dispense justice, rather than bringing people to justice. The national data raises the same alarm. Cops too often, without just cause, shoot, bully, and brutalize people.
While I was driving through LaPort, Texas, a huge chuckhole blew out one of my headlights. Soon a cop puled me over for the offense. I wanted to avoid joining the several innocent people across the country cops had gunned down, but I picked the wrong strategy. I popped out of the car before the cop did and held my hands up in the air. I could certainly not be a threat to anyone I thought.
The cop disagreed. He had me go behind my car, partly blocking the view of my photo clients, who stopped 20 yards ahead of me when I was pulled over. He immediately called for backup, and began to interrogate me about the weapons and drugs he said I had in my car. Backup arrived. Now two officers were interrogating me about weapons and drugs I did not have. The second cop stood to my left and slightly behind me, repeatedly addressing the back of my head with his club, like a golfer about to swing. Then things became worse.
I answered one of their questions with a supinating motion of my hands, the international code for "I don't know." The cop contemplating doing in my head screamed, "Do that again and it will be your last time." He meant that a slight turn of my hands still high in the air was reason enough to k**l me.
The angry cop then entered my car to conduct an illegal search. My clients were stopped just ahead of it, so I felt there was a good chance he would not plant drugs in my vehicle. I also though there was a great chance that he would smash my Canon SLR against the door or floor of the car. He returned to threaten me some more, then went a second time into my car. Afterward, my camera, which had been working flawlessly, worked only briefly before going dark. I had to absorb an expensive repair.
I stood over 45 minutes with my hands in the air. It was just months after surgery that involved sawing my sternum in half. The pain was excruciating. My camera was broken, and I was ticked for auto equipment failure. Their real problem might have been my bumper sticker, which read, "Defend America; Defeat Bush." I am sure the ignorant bullies thought Bush was their friend; the same Bush who one day posed for photos with policemen who had survived 9-11, and later that same day v**ed against an allocation for police safety measures.
Besides there serious events I have described here and previous posts, I also took two totally false tickets for moving violations, and my wife had one, too. One cop also cut me off in traffic, nearly causing an accident. I caught up with his unmarked car and chewed him out. He flashed me his badge and laughed. I can do anything I want; I am a cop, he was telling me. Another threatened to shoot me when I hugged a girlfriend I did not know he was pulling over for a traffic ticket. My personal experiences should seriously raise an alarm about the character of at least a huge minority of our police. Otherwise I coincidentally ran into a string of violent, lawless bullies who feel they can dispense justice, rather than bringing people to justice. The national data raises the same alarm. Cops too often, without just cause, shoot, bully, and brutalize people.
Oct 17, 2016 14:12:28 #
Mike D.: Some just get jaded from too many years of service but overall the system works.
Nagy: There are all sorts of actors indicating that the system is not really working very well at all:
* number of cop k*****gs in the US compared to other advanced nations.
* number of innocent people on death row.
* indisputable racial bias in every aspect of the criminal justice system.
Nagy: There are all sorts of actors indicating that the system is not really working very well at all:
* number of cop k*****gs in the US compared to other advanced nations.
* number of innocent people on death row.
* indisputable racial bias in every aspect of the criminal justice system.
Oct 17, 2016 14:25:27 #
wilpharm, but will not think: more drivel from naggy the gun-grabber..I hope someone with a gun robs your house & you have a toothpick to defend yourself with..
you will be crying like the baby you are!!!!!!! be sure & explain those "laws" of yours and your "interpretation" of the second amendment while you are at it...Im sure they will be horrified & leave your casa...LMAO at you!!!!
Nagy: I am a crying baby who refuses to arm himself, but real men cannot get by without carrying their dangerous weapons everywhere? Logic is very foreign to your little brain.
you will be crying like the baby you are!!!!!!! be sure & explain those "laws" of yours and your "interpretation" of the second amendment while you are at it...Im sure they will be horrified & leave your casa...LMAO at you!!!!
Nagy: I am a crying baby who refuses to arm himself, but real men cannot get by without carrying their dangerous weapons everywhere? Logic is very foreign to your little brain.
Oct 17, 2016 14:57:51 #
RichieC
Loc: Adirondacks
ROFL.... I have never once had a bad experience with any cop, any type of official, in any situation, in any state, or in any country, and I have been all over the place and have been stopped or had dealings often enough over the years - kind of tells everyone all they need to know about you.
You are the aggressor/belligerent in every one of your stories, someday hopefully it will catch up to you. Akin to driving a motorcycle- if you get too caught up in who has the legal right of way, sooner or later you'll die being correct. Motorcycles, like belligerents and aggressors toward police or even other people, typically lose arguments - whether they are in the right or not... But then I've never been in a Motorcycle Accident in 40 years of owning one, a few minor ones on my dirt bike, countless miles on the road... And I owned a whole bunch of guns longer than that... - never used one in anger- never been tempted- you're exactly like those who shouldn't have either of these things- No wonder you can't stand the 2nd, it's your temperament that would be tempted to use them and like the narcissist you are, can comprehend anybody thinking differently, even on this.
Just a matter of time I figure... next time a cop pulls you over- jump out again, just like the guy who wants to distract the officer as the unseen guy in the back seat gets ready to ambush him might- or from the car pulled over in front of you... and now he has to deal with two or more potential threats.... you complete self centered i***t.
You are the aggressor/belligerent in every one of your stories, someday hopefully it will catch up to you. Akin to driving a motorcycle- if you get too caught up in who has the legal right of way, sooner or later you'll die being correct. Motorcycles, like belligerents and aggressors toward police or even other people, typically lose arguments - whether they are in the right or not... But then I've never been in a Motorcycle Accident in 40 years of owning one, a few minor ones on my dirt bike, countless miles on the road... And I owned a whole bunch of guns longer than that... - never used one in anger- never been tempted- you're exactly like those who shouldn't have either of these things- No wonder you can't stand the 2nd, it's your temperament that would be tempted to use them and like the narcissist you are, can comprehend anybody thinking differently, even on this.
Just a matter of time I figure... next time a cop pulls you over- jump out again, just like the guy who wants to distract the officer as the unseen guy in the back seat gets ready to ambush him might- or from the car pulled over in front of you... and now he has to deal with two or more potential threats.... you complete self centered i***t.
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