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Oct 4, 2016 09:15:52   #
catalint Loc: oslo
 
JCam wrote:
I like the two warmer versions better. but I'd suggest that Auto is a good place to start unless you are in an area with very different lighting--florescent, artificial daylight, etc. As you showed us and yourself, WB can almost always be corrected in Post Processing, if YOU think it is necessary. Always having it set for Auto also avoids the problem of having to make a major editing because you forgot to change the setting for a new condition.

There is one more adjustment you have to make on the last two pictures: get rid of the dark shadow on her left cheek and under the jawbone on the left side. I think that would make the model--professional model, wife or daughter--much happier with the end product!
I like the two warmer versions better. but I'd sug... (show quote)


It seems I got good result in tweaking the Auto suggestion to my taste.
And you are absolutely correct about that shadow. Just my skils are not that good I can make the whole shadow disappear. So I need to really invest in a blitz and start using it. Those images I posted I just a couple from a series of photos where there are no shadows like that. So for now I think that particular photo I shall have to live with it. Or better yet, She has to accept it. After all, she's my friend and I am not charging anything. And we have a whole project ahead with more photo sessions, so I'll do my best next shoot.

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Oct 4, 2016 09:20:51   #
boberic Loc: Quiet Corner, Connecticut. Ex long Islander
 
Other than adjustment for artificial light temp. It's pretty much a matter personal choice. I often set mine for shade, just because I like the way it looks. No such thing as "correct".

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Oct 4, 2016 09:31:15   #
pecohen Loc: Central Maine
 
It seems to me that the only standard for the "right" WB would be to accurately capture the scene. But even by that standard, we all have our own eyes and I suspect some of us may see a scene differently than others. Degas and Monet come to mind as artists whose paintings reflected defects in their own vision.

But photography - including very good photography such as that of Ansel Adams - often involves distorting reality - burning or dodging to give it more contrast or more saturation or more softness than we see with our eyes; we often remove clutter or even add something from another scene entirely. And we may change the white balance so that the image is as we want it to be, not necessarily what it was. There is no right or wrong - just a good image or a bad one; even that is a matter of opinion.

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Oct 4, 2016 14:33:17   #
jimmya Loc: Phoenix
 
catalint wrote:
Hi my fellow hogs,
Once again I turn to your wisdom and knowledge.

Last time I was discussing DoF. And I can say, I've been practicing a lot. It seems I am more aware of my aperture settings and the results are showing. My question now is this WB. What s right and wrongs ? I've learned to use LR and correct the WB. Besides the normal White and Black slider we also have the presets for white balance. (As shot, Auto, Daylight, Cloudy, Shade, tung..fluor..). For some time I've been either just use the sliders or chose a presets. Until this weekend I have not given much thought. But I do now. I had the pleasure to take some pictures for a good friend of mine who wants some new pictures of her. For this session I took my Sigma 1.4 ART and my newly Nikon 105mm 2.8 macro lens. I decided to start on the afternoon , when the sun was lower, but I see I could have waited a little longer. I tried to have my back to the sun , while the sun was shining on her for best light. I still dont own a good blitz yet, so I am relying a lot on the natural light I have. I was pretty happy with the results, but upon importing them to LR and going through the pictures, I saw they were very warm. So I tried to correct a little. What surprised me was the big difference between "Auto" and "As Shot". From the original warm state, the Auto goes pretty cold. And that's how my question was born. Is there like a correct white balance for those photos or is it a matter of taste. I do like them both, I just don't know what would be optimal, and therefore I turn to you. What's your verdict? Or what should have I done?
I am attaching some examples so you get the idea.
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Very nicely done. There's lots of folks who believe in manual everything - I am not one of them especially since the camera, when it comes to WB is correct virtually every time. You're Nikon, I'm Canon but both are excellent at WB.

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Oct 4, 2016 15:19:33   #
catalint Loc: oslo
 
Thank you all for commenting.
I think I received what I was looking for. Not only the WB it is indeed a matter of personal taste, but I also understand that there are some guideline to use. Maybe not all the time we need to have that WB correct, but there are times where it effects the entire photo. hank Burkphoto for the little overview which I opened up my eyes to a little. I thank you all others for suggestions, comments and tip.
And I hope you been noticed my posts and that I am eager to learn, and I progress with it.

Cheers my fellow hogs.

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Oct 4, 2016 16:10:30   #
burkphoto Loc: High Point, NC
 
pecohen wrote:
It seems to me that the only standard for the "right" WB would be to accurately capture the scene. But even by that standard, we all have our own eyes and I suspect some of us may see a scene differently than others. Degas and Monet come to mind as artists whose paintings reflected defects in their own vision.

But photography - including very good photography such as that of Ansel Adams - often involves distorting reality - burning or dodging to give it more contrast or more saturation or more softness than we see with our eyes; we often remove clutter or even add something from another scene entirely. And we may change the white balance so that the image is as we want it to be, not necessarily what it was. There is no right or wrong - just a good image or a bad one; even that is a matter of opinion.
It seems to me that the only standard for the &quo... (show quote)


Well, the term 'WHITE balance' IS an implied equalization of the RGB response curves, such that gray going in is gray going out, with shadows and highlights tracking neutral as well. A CUSTOM white balance generally does that, unless you point the camera at a cool or warm card designed to shift WB in the opposite direction.

That's not to say you can't alter a truly neutral white balance away from that point to suit your taste or creative ends... And you can also use something like the Passport ColorChecker and software to create a custom ICC profile for a batch of images recorded in the same light... THAT, friends, is the way you capture the most honest CocaCola Red possible without using the actual custom ink or paint.

Automatic White Balance can be really good, or really bad. The iPhone actually has the best AWB on the planet right now. Ten years ago, dSLRs had THE WORST. They have improved quite a bit dramatically, since. Some mirrorless cameras have better AWB than dSLRs, simply because they are newer designs that use live sensors, and their programming has evolved more rapidly.

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Oct 4, 2016 19:16:31   #
raymondh Loc: Walker, MI
 
Id' be inclined to go Kelvin & put the WB somewhere in between.

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Oct 4, 2016 19:32:42   #
Brian in Whitby Loc: Whitby, Ontario, Canada
 
Nalu wrote:
My opinion, its personal. No right or wrong, just what you like. Nice that you have various options to change it at your discretion.


I agree. Personally I use daylight white balance most of the time and correct in Lightroom if necessary. Sometimes the "correct" white balance is not the best one. A sunset photo made at sunset with the correct white balance would lose the nice warm tones that make the photo special.

In the case of the photo in question, it would be a good idea to adjust the white balance to render the young lady's complexion accurately. If she had a very alabaster white complexion, then a highly tanned appearance might be undesirable.

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Oct 4, 2016 20:21:40   #
Rongnongno Loc: FL
 
Nalu wrote:
My opinion, its personal. No right or wrong, just what you like. Nice that you have various options to change it at your discretion.

Actually there is a 'right' AND a 'wrong'... THEN there are personal preferences.

Personal preferences work only from the right.

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Oct 4, 2016 21:20:37   #
burkphoto Loc: High Point, NC
 
Rongnongno wrote:
Actually there is a 'right' AND a 'wrong'... THEN there are personal preferences.

Personal preferences work only from the right.



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Oct 4, 2016 22:24:47   #
Madman Loc: Gulf Coast, Florida USA
 
In my opinion, the images that you have labeled as 'as shot' are more natural looking and therefore more desirable.

However, I'm not sure that your descriptions are accurate. Looking at the EXIF data for every image, all show white balance as 'Fine Weather'. This is the description that I see when my Nikon D7100 is set for 'Direct Sunlight'. If you are shooting in RAW and doing your PP in Raw, you can change the WB to anything you want or set your program to auto correct. I think that is what you meant by Auto. It may or may not give you the result that you want.

The only change I would have made to those images marked 'as shot' would be to reduce the highlights.

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Oct 4, 2016 23:24:10   #
sailorsmom Loc: Souderton, PA
 
Very nice images, Catalin! Your choice, but I tend to like the warmer version better.

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Oct 5, 2016 07:07:48   #
PhotoArtsLA Loc: Boynton Beach
 
Ah, white balance. In the motion picture world, it's gray balance on the Rank Cintel film transfer machine. The colorist finds a neutral gray, zeros it, and all the beautiful lighting you labored upon disappears. NEVER put a color chart up in a shot, and ALWAYS supervise your transfers. This is to say color balance is what you make of it. The "true" white balance of a scene may or may NOT be what you intend artistically. Outside, shadows are generally MUCH bluer than daylight. Sunrises and sunsets are warm to golden. You can even buy white balance targets which are designed to improve the look: these "targets" are not white. Fuji Film had a warmer look because people look better a little warmer. This could be a long rant, but suffice it to say, white balance is what you make of it.

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Oct 5, 2016 09:03:36   #
JCam Loc: MD Eastern Shore
 
Rongnongno wrote:
Actually there is a 'right' AND a 'wrong'... THEN there are personal preferences.

Personal preferences work only from the right.


I don't believe uour statement about 'right' & 'wrong' is correct unless your are trying to undo years of consensus here on the UHH where questions about "R & W" are usually answered by statements similar to

"... those type choices only matter to the photographer; whatever he/she likes and prefers is RIGHT. Unless it is a commercial shoot, the picture only has to please him/her."

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