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Sep 20, 2016 15:25:16   #
wdross Loc: Castle Rock, Colorado
 
n3eg wrote:
They said they couldn't make the IS any better than 6.5 stops because of limitations due to the rotation of the earth.


They use gyros in the body and OIS lenses. the earth's surface is moving at ~16 miles a minute at the equator. This means the earth moves, changing angular position, while the gyro stays in place in its original position. The gyro "moves" relative to the earth. Is means the camera will sense the gyro will haved moved even though the camera hasn't moved. This is a limiting factor.

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Sep 20, 2016 16:14:45   #
burkphoto Loc: High Point, NC
 
jcboy3 wrote:
Olympus uses the term "PRO" to distinguish its weather sealed cameras/lenses, but then some of it's non-weather sealed lenses are of highest quality (e.g. the 75mm f/1.8). In addition, the E-M5 Mk II in high resolution mode is quite comparable to high resolution 36mm sensors when used in the studio with good light. These are each pushing the limits of older lenses.

As far as what is used for professional photography...there is what works, and what is needed for a "professional image". These days, anyone can have a high resolution 36mm sensor; so for a "professional image" you should go big (by which I mean medium format). As a bonus you get leaf shutters in your lenses.

The new Olympus is getting more pixels, less noise, better focus (looks like much better), faster burst mode with buffers to support it, high resolution mode, and lots more. It's less of an upgrade than a leap. Quite a package, which hopefully means I can take a lighter kit instead of my Nikon gear...but it still doesn't replace it for all uses.
Olympus uses the term "PRO" to distingui... (show quote)


There are very few pros billing rates high enough to justify medium format. It's a different world from the last century (film era).

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Sep 20, 2016 20:27:23   #
Ched49 Loc: Pittsburgh, Pa.
 
wdross wrote:
But that still doesn't answer the question of why Canon and Nikon require their cameras shoot faster than 10fps. Since most of the cameras at baseball games and football games tend to be Canon and Nikon, that means they are being manned by mostly pros. If the pros didn't need 10fps+, why would Canon and Nikon put it on their cameras? That cost extra money and R&D for both the pros and Canon and Nikon for something you have indicated the true pros don't need.
Ahh yes, but remember...more is always better.

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Sep 20, 2016 20:44:47   #
Ched49 Loc: Pittsburgh, Pa.
 
wdross wrote:
Also your statement doesn't answer why all the camera manufactures have been constantly increase the limit on photos before it hits the buffer limit. If the pros can deliver the photo in "a burst of 10 fps or less", why are all the manufactures increasing the buffer limits to fill the cards if necessary? Money is rarely spent by a manufacture unless needed.
For the same reason the manufactures kept raising pixels in most cameras years ago. A few years from now, at the pace manufactures are going, professional cameras will have a burst mode of 25 fps. Another example is, look at the iso rate of your high end cameras...when will it end? As long as consumers think "MORE IS BETTER", manufactures will keep producing cameras this way. The only point I'm making is....if an action photographer can't pick out a good shot at 10 fps...theres something wrong.

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Sep 20, 2016 20:46:51   #
Ched49 Loc: Pittsburgh, Pa.
 
SharpShooter wrote:
WooHoo, CD, you actually found one!!! LoL
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Put your stupid comments on another thread.

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Sep 20, 2016 20:57:39   #
burkphoto Loc: High Point, NC
 
cjkorb wrote:
For the same reason the manufactures kept raising pixels in most cameras years ago. A few years from now, at the pace manufactures are going, professional cameras will have a burst mode of 25 fps. Another example is, look at the iso rate of your high end cameras...when will it end? As long as consumers think "MORE IS BETTER", manufactures will keep producing cameras this way. The only point I'm making is....if an action photographer can't pick out a good shot at 10 fps...theres something wrong.
For the same reason the manufactures kept raising ... (show quote)


30 fps is really nice, though!

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Sep 20, 2016 21:40:19   #
Ched49 Loc: Pittsburgh, Pa.
 
burkphoto wrote:
30 fps is really nice, though!
Yes it would be but why not just use a video camera?

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Sep 20, 2016 23:14:35   #
burkphoto Loc: High Point, NC
 
cjkorb wrote:
Yes it would be but why not just use a video camera?


It IS a video camera! The GH4 I use is very popular with independent film makers. The m43 format lends itself to video AND still image capture by design. So 4K and 6K stills in the GH5 are just a kludge of opportunity.

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Sep 21, 2016 01:20:17   #
wdross Loc: Castle Rock, Colorado
 
cjkorb wrote:
For the same reason the manufactures kept raising pixels in most cameras years ago. A few years from now, at the pace manufactures are going, professional cameras will have a burst mode of 25 fps. Another example is, look at the iso rate of your high end cameras...when will it end? As long as consumers think "MORE IS BETTER", manufactures will keep producing cameras this way. The only point I'm making is....if an action photographer can't pick out a good shot at 10 fps...theres something wrong.
For the same reason the manufactures kept raising ... (show quote)


My thoughts are that there are very few consumers that will buy just a $6000 to $6500 camera body without a lense before buying a used car at $6000 to $6500. The "comsumers" you are refering to that are thinking "MORE IS BETTER" are actually the pros. This is why the number of DSLRs sold in 2010 is only slightly more than than what is being sold today while the sales of non-interchangeable lense cameras is a tenth of the sales of 2010. Pros usually build in a new camera body every three to five years in their business plans. This is why DSLRs sales will change much slower than the true comsumer camera sales. And this is also why the true comsumer camera sales are now being replaced by cellphone cameras.

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Sep 21, 2016 03:38:50   #
tdekany Loc: Oregon
 
cjkorb wrote:
Yes it would be but why not just use a video camera?


For the same reason so many purchase an SUV.

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Sep 21, 2016 06:32:16   #
Cdouthitt Loc: Traverse City, MI
 
Apparently pro for this camera means that there will be service/support packages available.



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Sep 21, 2016 12:45:23   #
wdross Loc: Castle Rock, Colorado
 
Cdouthitt wrote:
Apparently pro for this camera means that there will be service/support packages available.


It going to be interesting to see how fast a dent Sony, Olympus, and Panasonic and their mirrorless cameras will create in the pro market. It will take some time for pros to realize that there are cameras other than Canon and Nikon that can meet their pro needs and are smaller and lighter to boot. My guess is the Olympus service pack is to match what Canon and Nikon offer their pros and show that they are a serious contender for the pro market. Based on the fact that the DSLR sales have not changed that much since 2010, Canon and Nikon sales are still in a decline, and mirrorless camera sales are holding their own, we may be starting to see that dent.

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Sep 21, 2016 20:01:35   #
chrisg-optical Loc: New York, NY
 
Here's what I would love to see:
A digicam with the OM-2/4 form factor, with a **full frame** (no APS-C/u4/3) sensor, 24MP+ or higher, 10 fps+ ...with an extended OM mount to fit older ZUIKO MF lenses, along with newer full frame digital line of lenses....I never understood why full frame digital cameras have to be so large....is this a marketing ploy on the part of Nikon/Canon (bigger/heavier is better?). Basically all of the older 35mm film cameras, including the older OM-1/2/3/4 lines are all "full frame", so it should just be a matter of adding the sensor and support electronics, LCD monitor, etc. Since there is no film transport, that is space gained for the digital counterparts (the back can now be replaced with some of the support electronics)....and...why not a digital back for the older OM bodies????

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