Government-run health care (Page 3): "... mandatory that all people get the same coverage whether they want it or not ..." Or even if they can biologically use it or not. The ACA is a...

Big Bill Loc: Phoenix, AZ

Shellback wrote:

No - taxes did not go up - br Let's see - if you ... (show quote)

"...mandatory that all people get the same coverage whether they want it or not..."

Or even if they can biologically use it or not.
The ACA is a good example of what happens when the government, which must use a "one size fits all" system, takes over a large system that had previously done pretty well fitting the needs of people.
That this doesn't work will be (indeed, has been for decades) used as the reason for enacting Single Payer health care.
IOW, the government screws it up, and must then screw it up more to fix it.

Big Bill Loc: Phoenix, AZ

KD Stern wrote:

If having higher taxes -- In your examples I really don't think so -- BUT what the heck -- lets give you a brake & say yes --- I say so what!!! --- Why not higher taxes --- What I'm getting at is that Well Educated, Well Fed, Healthy Population is in all of our Self Interests --- By the way the last time taxes were at our current rate was way-way back in the 1950's --- Our Government is underfunded ---

"Our Government is underfunded ---"
I see that a lot, but from what I see our government just spends too much.
And I never see anyone making this claim writing a check to the treasury to help out; in fact, I see them doing their very best to minimize their tax bills.

Architect1776 Loc: In my mind

Big Bill wrote:

"... i mandatory that all people get the same... (show quote)

Didn't the Soviet Union have something along this line?
Oh yes obummer studied under Marxists and learned how wonderful it is and want us all to enjoy a Soviet system forced upon us or go to Siberia to the mines.
But libs seem to have forgotten this wonderfully enlightened period of history in that part of the world.

Architect1776 Loc: In my mind

Big Bill wrote:

"Our Government is underfunded ---"
I see that a lot, but from what I see our government just spends too much.
And I never see anyone making this claim writing a check to the treasury to help out; in fact, I see them doing their very best to minimize their tax bills.

Big Bill Loc: Phoenix, AZ

rgrenaderphoto wrote:

For somebody who is about to qualify for Medicare, and is looking forward to my insurance premiums dropping, what would be wrong with single payer health care? What would be wrong with allowing American consumers to purchase the same pharmaceuticals we pay outrageously for from Canada?

I'm on Medicare, with a much needed supplemental plan (check what Medicare actually pays); my insurance costs have gone up, not down.

Architect1776 Loc: In my mind

Big Bill wrote:

I'm on Medicare, with a much needed supplemental plan (check what Medicare actually pays); my insurance costs have gone up, not down.

How did you v**e in 2008 and 2012?

Big Bill Loc: Phoenix, AZ

ole sarg wrote:

It is interesting that those who do not participat... (show quote)

Yeah, the VA is just peachy.
In fact, the VA hospital here in the Valley now has another head, it's been so grand. People are fighting to lead the VA, because they want to be part of such a grand system.
Of course, my two siblings and myself who were in the military, and have seen the differences between the VA and regular healthcare won't go near the VA. But what do we know.

The VA has been documented (and very well documented) to be horrible, and to work to hide that fact.

Architect1776 Loc: In my mind

Big Bill wrote:

Yeah, the VA is just peachy.
In fact, the VA hospital here in the Valley now has another head, it's been so grand. People are fighting to lead the VA, because they want to be part of such a grand system.
Of course, my two siblings and myself who were in the military, and have seen the differences between the VA and regular healthcare won't go near the VA. But what do we know.

The VA has been documented (and very well documented) to be horrible, and to work to hide that fact.

I thought Carl T Hayden VA was going to k**l me at one time. The very worst VA in the nation.
Others are not much better but it wins for the worst.

Big Bill Loc: Phoenix, AZ

RixPix wrote:

Health care is a mercenary business in this country and that has to end. So, you're correct...thanks Obama!

Just who do you think actually provides that health care? The Health Care Fairies?
Everything provided with health care, the people, hardware, medicines, etc., are all paid for by someone.
If the people figure they aren't being paid enough, they go elsewhere.
If the companies that make the hardware aren't paid, including profit for the owners, they simply go away.
If the companies that make the medicines (even the generic ones) aren't paid enough, they stop making them.

Tell me again that health care can't be mercenary.
The government produces nothing. It must use private sector businesses. That's a reality that seems to not be well understood by far too many people.

Big Bill Loc: Phoenix, AZ

Architect1776 wrote:

How did you v**e in 2008 and 2012?

Not for Obama.
Why do you ask?

Duckfart Loc: Olympia, Washington

Yes, I really want people who exempted themselves, some of which who have such poor credit they can't get loans, to manage my health care. Yessir, that's progressive!

rgrenaderphoto Loc: Hollywood, CA

Cykdelic wrote:

Huh????? Hooked on taxes?????

What? Cigarettes.

WNYShooter Loc: WNY

Obamacare was designed to fail, and it's beginning to in a spectacular fashion. Our Actuary at work gives it two years max till total collapse unless it has quite a bit changed.

Architect1776 Loc: In my mind

WNYShooter wrote:

Obamacare was designed to fail, and it's beginning to in a spectacular fashion. Our Actuary at work gives it two years max till total collapse unless it has quite a bit changed.

That was the idea in order to have i***ts then demand a complete government take over of health care.