Government-run health care:...

mdfenton

http://dailysignal.com/2016/08/18/her-health-plan-was-257-a-month-now-her-obamacare-plan-could-be-650-a-month/?utm_source=TDS_Email&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Top5&mkt_tok=eyJpIjoiWmprelptVXhORGd4T0RnNSIsInQiOiJZOEJrd2NpTG1VY3Zrc1J1NWZrSUZtanRBUFg0UjBuTjA5anoybElSSkVTR0Vmcis3RWNrYU9KU2lLbzJlUzFOck9Xcit2dW1ScUpzamlJY2JcL2lJZ01OR3ZGNTlCZWhLOTZwTGkrY2xJd289In0%3D

We are headed toward Fed Government single-payer health care. Read last 4 paragraphs.

Thanks be to Obama and all who v**ed for him.

Architect1776 Loc: In my mind

mdfenton wrote:

http://dailysignal.com/2016/08/18/her-health-plan-... (show quote)

This morning there was a Canadian lady on who was telling how wonderful the Canadian system is like all the UHHers have been praising it. She has been forced to be separated from her husband of 60 years because of rationing of services he needs and he must be kept in a separate facility as there is no available government space for them to get together as it is strictly rationed. She also had general harsh thoughts on the system from before this event as to the horrors of health rationing and limits imposed by bureaucrats setting limits on available care as mandated by the government.
This really sounds like utopia to me and I can't wait until this lovely system comes here so we can have rationed care by the government.
PS she is not rich and is dependent on canadian care not like many Canadians who have private funds etc. to get around it.

Calico8828

The magic word to all this is.. ((Could Be)) It could be $100. Think about it. Back in 2009 word was going around that if the affordable care act becomes law could/would raise you taxes....That never happen....When you see Could Be or Might Be that only tells you there blowing smoke and they hope you inhale.

Those people that have been mention is no different than any other....If it rises (which I doubt)...they will do just as anyone would do...Go and do some shopping for a health Ins. company that offers lower rates for the same coverage....Period!

mdfenton

Rationing is also done in the UK. You can bet that if the Fed Gov't runs it, it will be a disaster for everyone.

KD Stern Loc: Yorba Linda, Ca

Think about it --- It's all about priorities ---- When you realize that our only natural renewable resource is ourselves --- To Live free & prosper in a society where the population is well fed, well educated & healthy is at minimum at least as important as having 10 to 12 multi bullion dollar Air Craft Carriers ---

Shellback Loc: North of Cheyenne Bottoms Wetlands - Kansas

Calico8828 wrote:

The magic word to all this is.. ((Could Be)) It could be $100. Think about it. Back in 2009 word was going around that if the affordable care act becomes law could/would raise you taxes....That never happen....

No - taxes did not go up -
Let's see - if you don't get coverage you will be fined (another form of taxes)
Policy rates doubled / tripled / quadrupled and people can not afford insurance now - so now they get fined...
Coverage changed - mandatory that all people get the same coverage whether they want it or not - higher deductibles with fewer insurance companies participating - and more dropping out all of the program all the time -

Yep - sounds like a good plan was put in place -

FlyingTiger Loc: Tortola, BVI

Calico8828 wrote:

The magic word to all this is.. ((Could Be)) It c... (show quote)

You could not be more wrong. Many taxes have been raised because of Obamacare. Have you been living in a cave? And because of Obamacare healthcare costs and healthcare insurance premiums have, are and will be skyrocketing. While all that is happening our healthcare system is being destroyed. If you think the solution is government run healthcare? Then if you like VA healthcare you will love single payer run by the government.

Get up to date on information and get your facts straight. Right now, you are clueless.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/robertwood/2015/02/17/how-many-obamacare-taxes-are-there/#3c64362e50f6

FlyingTiger Loc: Tortola, BVI

Shellback wrote:

No - taxes did not go up - br Let's see - if you ... (show quote)

In addition to all that, here is just one list of taxes and fees that are either new or have gone up. As the months and years go by they will go up even more and be even more burdensome.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/robertwood/2015/02/17/how-many-obamacare-taxes-are-there/#3c64362e50f6

KD Stern Loc: Yorba Linda, Ca

FlyingTiger wrote:

In addition to all that, here is just one list of taxes and fees that are either new or have gone up. As the months and years go by they will go up even more and be even more burdensome.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/robertwood/2015/02/17/how-many-obamacare-taxes-are-there/#3c64362e50f6

If having higher taxes -- In your examples I really don't think so -- BUT what the heck -- lets give you a brake & say yes --- I say so what!!! --- Why not higher taxes --- What I'm getting at is that Well Educated, Well Fed, Healthy Population is in all of our Self Interests --- By the way the last time taxes were at our current rate was way-way back in the 1950's --- Our Government is underfunded ---

boberic Loc: Quiet Corner, Connecticut. Ex long Islander

mdfenton wrote:

http://dailysignal.com/2016/08/18/her-health-plan-... (show quote)

There is actually a government run health care system. It's called the VA. How well is that working? Vets wait months to see a doctor. Corruption is built in. I have worked in every VA faciity in the NY City metro area. None are first rate hospitals. In virtually every other hospital OR time is at a premium. Surgeons fight for OR time. In the 5 hospitals that I worked in, at least 1/4 of the operating rooms were unused. If the entire contry changes to a single payer every one over 70 simply willnot get adequate care. They wont be called "death panels" but that's how they will work.

mdfenton

Of course, why didn't we think of that? Higher taxes are in our best interests!! Half the population pays no Fed tax and is on food stamps, so the rest should pay more to cover the "underfunding". Why is there underfunding? Lib/Progressive social programs that have not worked since Lyndon Johnson to support those folks, a sample of which sit waiting to r**t in places like Milwaukee, etc. etc. Have you been to San Francisco lately to see another sample? Now lets discuss those 11 million immigrants (i******s) Obama has invited in. More taxes to support them?

rgrenaderphoto Loc: Hollywood, CA

For somebody who is about to qualify for Medicare, and is looking forward to my insurance premiums dropping, what would be wrong with single payer health care? What would be wrong with allowing American consumers to purchase the same pharmaceuticals we pay outrageously for from Canada?

mwalsh Loc: Houston

boberic wrote:

There is actually a government run health care sys... (show quote)

There is another one called Medicare...one of the most efficiently run insurance companies in the 48...

mwalsh Loc: Houston

mdfenton wrote:

Of course, why didn't we think of that? Higher ta... (show quote)

You might want to fact check the claim that half the population is on food stamps...

Reality interferes with vision, much ???

boberic Loc: Quiet Corner, Connecticut. Ex long Islander

mwalsh wrote:

There is another one called Medicare...one of the most efficiently run insurance companies in the 48...

The difference is that Medicare is an EARED benefit. Furthermore no one is forced to participate. The gov. does not insist that you join. No one is under any obligation to take the earned benifit of social security or of medicare. Furthermore I pay about $200 per month for the coverage plus the 40 years of FICA payments as well as my employers contribution. So not only did I pay Federal State and local income taxes, I paid the FICA taxes. Far more than my fair share. Furthermore every physician and surgeon I paid was a private practice provider. They did not work for the Gov. More and more MD's are refusing to accept medicare. Medicare is far from a standard single payer system