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Aug 7, 2016 14:04:49   #
SteveR Loc: Michigan
 
imntrt1 wrote:
Too bad that Slick Willy didn't improve the lives of the Americans he was supposed to be serving. Since you are so keen on the Clinton Foundation why don't you do some research on it and find some of the shady stuff out.....Like its use to fund Hillary's campaign....or the fact that it is funded by many countries that also fund terrorists. You should be aware that the cool aid you've been drinking is NOT good for you.


This is not just related to Hillary, but another thing that we have to be alert to is the TPP....The T***s-Pacific Partnership involving, at this time, 12 countries. There are provisions in this Treaty that would involve movement of workers (immigration), food, and other portions of this treaty that are totally unacceptable. My wife is up on this more than I am, I'll have to get back about more of the problems with the TPP.

As far as Slick Willy goes, he had the good fortune of the economy up-turning just before the e******n and doing fantastic things during his Presidency, basically on its own power (Anybody who was in the market in the 90's knows what I'm talking about). As a result, Clinton taxed the heck out of us.

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Aug 7, 2016 15:10:00   #
imntrt1 Loc: St. Louis
 
SteveR wrote:
This is not just related to Hillary, but another thing that we have to be alert to is the TPP....The T***s-Pacific Partnership involving, at this time, 12 countries. There are provisions in this Treaty that would involve movement of workers (immigration), food, and other portions of this treaty that are totally unacceptable. My wife is up on this more than I am, I'll have to get back about more of the problems with the TPP.

As far as Slick Willy goes, he had the good fortune of the economy up-turning just before the e******n and doing fantastic things during his Presidency, basically on its own power (Anybody who was in the market in the 90's knows what I'm talking about). As a result, Clinton taxed the heck out of us.
This is not just related to Hillary, but another t... (show quote)


If memory serves me correctly Slick Willy, who liked to take credit for a balanced budget during his presidency actually was told by Congress that if he didn't submit a balanced budget they would not approve it....It was a Republican dominated congress. There are also those that blame his inaction regarding terrorist attacks as one of the causes of 09/11. There were several on his watch, one being the SS Cole attack that k**led American Seamen.

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Aug 7, 2016 15:41:01   #
JamesCurran Loc: Trenton ,NJ
 
SteveR wrote:
James....I can't find that quote in the thread.


Because digit-up doesn't know how to quote correctly. Open on the quote in his post, and his comment is in the middle.

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Aug 7, 2016 15:46:57   #
JamesCurran Loc: Trenton ,NJ
 
imntrt1 wrote:
Too bad that Slick Willy didn't improve the lives of the Americans he was supposed to be serving.


Yeah, all that Peace AND Prosperity during his term was just HELL. We were much better off with the recessions that Reagan, Bush & Bush gave us...


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Since you are so keen on the Clinton Foundation why don't you do some research on it and find some of the shady stuff out.....Like its use to fund Hillary's campaign....or the fact that it is funded by many countries that also fund terrorists. You should be aware that the cool aid you've been drinking is NOT good for you.


The slander that it funds Hillary's campaign is pure BS. The foundation, as a non-profit, cannot contribute to a political campaign, and it's finances are heavily audited.

And, yeah, so many comes for foreign governments? SO?????

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Aug 7, 2016 15:57:35   #
JamesCurran Loc: Trenton ,NJ
 
imntrt1 wrote:
If memory serves me correctly Slick Willy, who liked to take credit for a balanced budget during his presidency actually was told by Congress that if he didn't submit a balanced budget they would not approve it....It was a Republican dominated congress.


Budgets don't work like that. About half is "discretionary": Departments are given a budget and have to make do. The other half is "compulsory", where a total dollar amount is given, and is determined by extreme matters... like social security or welfare. When COngress demands a balanced budget, they are only talking about the discretionary part. And they also demand a balance budget, and they always tack on their own pork barrel spending.

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There are also those that blame his inaction regarding terrorist attacks as one of the causes of 09/11. There were several on his watch, one being the SS Cole attack that k**led American Seamen.


Just spin-doctoring after the debacle of 9/11. Clinton did quite a bit to track down bin Laden. The Clinton admin turned all their info over to the Bush guys, saying "Terrorism will be your #1 concern". Then Bush said "The guys were just obsessed with terrorism", filed all the info over, and forgot about it. After months of pleading by the career staff at the CIA, Bush's first meeting of his whole administration on terrorism was scheduled for Sept 12th.

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Aug 7, 2016 16:00:05   #
FlyingTiger Loc: Tortola, BVI
 
JamesCurran wrote:
Let's review post-p**********l careers of recent presidents:

Republicans:
Nixon: Proposed (and began to write) a 10 vol (!) autobiography.
Ford: Retired to play golf.
Reagan: charged the taxpayers the 2nd most of any former president for office expenses, despite making no public appearances, and being essentially bed-ridden with Alzheimer's
Bush-41: Skydives on his birthdays
Bush-43: Paints

Democrats:
Jimmy Carter: Created the Carter Center which has (among other things) worked for the elimination of more than 99% of cases of Guinea worm disease, from an estimated 3.5 million cases in 1986 to 23 in 2015, and has monitored 96 e******ns in 38 countries since 1989. Won a Nobel Peace Prize. Builds houses for the homeless.
Bill Clinton: Created the Clinton Foundation, which has brought AIDS care and treatment to over 750,000 people living with HIV/AIDS around the world; works on projects that will improve food security, clean water and sanitation, and quality health care; has funded extensive disaster relief programs following the 2004 Indian Ocean earthquake and Hurricane Katrina; and has improved the lives of over 400 million people in more than 180 countries.
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And it is the Clinton Foundation that you seem to admire so much that may finally put both of those thieves in prison.

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Aug 7, 2016 16:02:55   #
FlyingTiger Loc: Tortola, BVI
 
JamesCurran wrote:
Just spin-doctoring after the debacle of 9/11. Clinton did quite a bit to track down bin Laden. The Clinton admin turned all their info over to the Bush guys, saying "Terrorism will be your #1 concern". Then Bush said "The guys were just obsessed with terrorism", filed all the info over, and forgot about it. After months of pleading by the career staff at the CIA, Bush's first meeting of his whole administration on terrorism was scheduled for Sept 12th.


Clinton was 100% responsible for the 9/11 attacks. He had four separate opportunities to take out Bin Laden and did not take advantage of any of them. In other words, he WAS NOT doing his primary job of protecting the United States. I guess his attention to that little matter came up on "blow job" day and he made the wrong choice.

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Aug 7, 2016 16:26:08   #
SteveR Loc: Michigan
 
JamesCurran wrote:
The slander that it funds Hillary's campaign is pure BS. The foundation, as a non-profit, cannot contribute to a political campaign, and it's finances are heavily audited.

And, yeah, so many comes for foreign governments? SO?????


James, this new format would not quote above your quote in the middle. Be that as it may, Reagan and Bush41 inherited horrendous economies. It was just at the end of Bush41's Presidency that the economy upturned into Clinton's Presidency, but it was too late to win the e******n for Bush. Clinton rode the economy all eight years. It was a bull economy that wouldn't stop. The Dow on 1/2/92 was 3172.41. On 3/3/2000 it was 11357.51. During the eight years of Clinton's Presidency, it nearly quadrupled.

To let you know how bad the economy was that Reagan inherited, we had college friends move to the area in '82 who purchased a house. The interest rate that they got on the house was 18%. We had purchased a house in '77 and gotten an interest rate of 8 3/4%. This is one thing that worries me about this economy. The economy of the 80's reflected the true nature of the economy and we struggled through it and reaped the benefits of a true economy in the 90's. Today's economy is propped up by the Fed, resulting in an increasing national debt. Who knows what the true nature of the economy is? What would happen if mortgage rates went back to 8 3/4% which was a reasonable and fair rate?

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Aug 7, 2016 16:32:56   #
JamesCurran Loc: Trenton ,NJ
 
FlyingTiger wrote:
Clinton was 100% responsible for the 9/11 attacks. He had four separate opportunities to take out Bin Laden and did not take advantage of any of them. In other words, he WAS NOT doing his primary job of protecting the United States. I guess his attention to that little matter came up on "blow job" day and he made the wrong choice.


Right, four opportunities in the two months between the Cole attack (Oct 2000), and leaving office. On none of those were they 100% certain that the person targeted was bin Laden, and WERE certain that attempting to k**l that person would k**l many civilians, leading to an international incident (and perhaps war).

But the real question of how many opportunities did Bush have in the EIGHT MONTHS between taking office and 9/11?? ZERO -- Because Bush immediately DROPPED the search for him. If Gore had been installed as president (I say that because he WAS elected), he would have continued the Clinton policies and -- 100% guaranteed -- bin Laden would have been caught or k**led long before 9/11 (which, since he was financing it, would have put an end to it).

9/11 is entirely Bush's fault.

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Aug 7, 2016 16:56:16   #
SteveR Loc: Michigan
 
JamesCurran wrote:
Right, four opportunities in the two months between the Cole attack (Oct 2000), and leaving office. On none of those were they 100% certain that the person targeted was bin Laden, and WERE certain that attempting to k**l that person would k**l many civilians, leading to an international incident (and perhaps war).

But the real question of how many opportunities did Bush have in the EIGHT MONTHS between taking office and 9/11?? ZERO -- Because Bush immediately DROPPED the search for him. If Gore had been installed as president (I say that because he WAS elected), he would have continued the Clinton policies and -- 100% guaranteed -- bin Laden would have been caught or k**led long before 9/11 (which, since he was financing it, would have put an end to it).

9/11 is entirely Bush's fault.
Right, four opportunities in the two months betwe... (show quote)


What a spin doctor. I trust you on this about as much as I trust your discussion of Reagan and Bush economics. BTW....How old are you James? I'm just wondering if you lived through those periods or not.

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Aug 7, 2016 17:45:16   #
digit-up Loc: Flushing, Michigan
 
JamesCurran wrote:
Because digit-up doesn't know how to quote correctly. Open on the quote in his post, and his comment is in the middle.


Sorry that I didn't "quote correctly". It's the first time I ever quoted to post a comment, that it didn't work out. Maybe this will behave in the SAME "wrong" way?? RJM

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Aug 7, 2016 17:51:45   #
digit-up Loc: Flushing, Michigan
 
JamesCurran wrote:
Right, four opportunities in the two months between the Cole attack (Oct 2000), and leaving office. On none of those were they 100% certain that the person targeted was bin Laden, and WERE certain that attempting to k**l that person would k**l many civilians, leading to an international incident (and perhaps war).

But the real question of how many opportunities did Bush have in the EIGHT MONTHS between taking office and 9/11?? ZERO -- Because Bush immediately DROPPED the search for him. If Gore had been installed as president (I say that because he WAS elected), he would have continued the Clinton policies and -- 100% guaranteed -- bin Laden would have been caught or k**led long before 9/11 (which, since he was financing it, would have put an end to it).

9/11 is entirely Bush's fault.
Right, four opportunities in the two months betwe... (show quote)


And you democrats seem not to get all the credit you deserve, Sad, isn't it. ?? Nasty, Nasty conservatives!! All B.S.!! RJM

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Aug 7, 2016 22:24:14   #
JamesCurran Loc: Trenton ,NJ
 
SteveR wrote:
What a spin doctor. I trust you on this about as much as I trust your discussion of Reagan and Bush economics. BTW....How old are you James? I'm just wondering if you lived through those periods or not.


53. Old enough to v**e in 1980 (Reagan/Carter).

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Aug 7, 2016 22:38:42   #
SteveR Loc: Michigan
 
JamesCurran wrote:
53. Old enough to v**e in 1980 (Reagan/Carter).


Old enough to v**e in '80 doesn't mean you were old enough to have to worry about mortgage interest rates, or the inflation of the 70's. I suppose what the inflation of the 70's meant to a young kid was a bigger paycheck.

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Aug 8, 2016 01:30:25   #
cwp3420
 
JamesCurran wrote:
Right, four opportunities in the two months between the Cole attack (Oct 2000), and leaving office. On none of those were they 100% certain that the person targeted was bin Laden, and WERE certain that attempting to k**l that person would k**l many civilians, leading to an international incident (and perhaps war).

But the real question of how many opportunities did Bush have in the EIGHT MONTHS between taking office and 9/11?? ZERO -- Because Bush immediately DROPPED the search for him. If Gore had been installed as president (I say that because he WAS elected), he would have continued the Clinton policies and -- 100% guaranteed -- bin Laden would have been caught or k**led long before 9/11 (which, since he was financing it, would have put an end to it).

9/11 is entirely Bush's fault.
Right, four opportunities in the two months betwe... (show quote)


Still crying over spilt milk, I see. Geez, get a life and move on. What's happened is over and done, dude.

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