FiddleMaker Loc: Merrimac, MA

BIG ROB, I cannot help but think that Canon is offering Ken Rockwell some kind of "sweetener" for his reviews!! ~FiddleMaker

ebbote Loc: Hockley, Texas

Hey Morrison, Nikon makes white lenses too, just because you see all white lenses doesn't mean they are all Canons.

jeep_daddy Loc: Prescott AZ

I got the same impression. But the OP should know better than to open another discussion about Canon vs Nikon. Pulleez, make up your own mind and spend your money however you feel fit. But another discussion about the Canon and Nikon differences is getting old. There are plenty of websites that do comparisons on just about any camera. Both camera makes have easy to find specifications at your fingertips right here on the web.

Haydon

Bill thanks for staying impartial. We need more of that around instead of simply relying on brand loyalty and without one example of a claim with their own images. All cameras are capable of making great images as long as they have a great photographer behind it.

Fotoartist Loc: Detroit, Michigan

Stay with the camera system whose menu and dials you have mastered. Cameras are like high-tech brushes in the hands of an artist. Manipulating them is often the key to great results.

Architect1776 Loc: In my mind

Just a funny thought in reading these comments. "Only 7 fps" I am sure when many of you thought 3.54 fps was blazing fast.

That said in real world use either camera you are considering would give you stellar performance. Personally I would stay with Canon as you have lenses for it. And any EF series lens you buy (You buy used I see) will work perfectly with any EOS camera ever made. This way there is no worry as to compatibility with those great features your camera has and the lens will work perfectly with all the features it was designed with. As far as systems each other leap frogs over the other so leads are fleeting. Bottom line try both, see what is most comfortable for you. Get it and don;t look back. You will be well served by either.

SharpShooter Loc: NorCal

Bill, I think you were stuttering when you said that! LoL
And Nikon has what....., monkeys running its marketing??? Only a fool
Would believe that.
The real reality is that Pros aren't that stupid.
The tipping point came when digital was on the horizon and Canon boldly changed its mount. Many thought it was taking a step back, but in reality it took a big leap forward with the electronic coupler.
Nikon copied the electronic coupler but did not change its mount. THAT non-change was the nail that sealed Nikons coffin, not marketing, and it slowly slipped to #2!!
As a result, Canon Pros(and amateurs) have access to the most diverse line of lenses of any company.
Canon has f1.0 and f1.2 lenses as a result, Nikon has NONE.
Sorry Bill, that's NOT marketing.
Consider the fact that a Canon 500mm prime weighs 30% less than a Nikon lens. If you shoot wildlife or sports, which do YOU think a Pro would want to use? That's NOT marketing.
I could go on and on but if you give the people what they need, they will buy it....., and THAT'S not marketing either!
Let me just say that paper shooters drop kick stats all day, Pros use Canon, and that's not marketing either!!!
Sorry Bill
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Reinaldokool Loc: San Rafael, CA

I've been a Nikon user both professionally and non professionally for over 40 years (Though with excursions into Pentax and Canon) That said, if you are shooting sports, take a look at (Gulp) Sony. Their MILC lines have faster and better AF than either Nikon or Canon. The a6300 will shoot 11 fps for a long time allowing you to get those "both feet in the air" shots. Unfortunately there are still no lenses much over 200mm unless you pay the price for the Zeiss lenses. (There are work-arounds, but. . .)

The FF A7 line isn't as fast but it is spectacular. MILC lets the camera be faster by eliminating the mechanical mirror movement.

I'm not a Sony fan otherwise. I think their audio equipment is crap, even the professional mics. Their mixers have been leapfrogged by brands we never heard of. Their video equipment is a little better but still nothing to write home about. BUT, they and Fuji own the MILC world.

SharpShooter Loc: NorCal

By work-arounds...., you mean CANON....., Right??
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BIG ROB Loc: Princeton, NJ 08540

I only chose to buy my Nikon D-7200 after I learned how great it was, and a significant part of that was learning how awesome it's image sensor is. It's rated right there in the list of all of the Nikon full frame camera's, which completely fill, the entire upper 1/3, of the DXOMARK's sensor performance ratings.

The only Canon's that are up there are the 5DSr and the 1DX, and by the way, that 1DX is what you see at all of your sporting events and major news conferences using the white lenses! Not a single pro shoots with an 80D, 70D, or, a 7D MK II, not ever.

The 7D MK II and the 80D are great camera's in many ways, and yet, Canon, has a very serious problem, with the image sensor performance of the image sensor's that they have chosen to install into their camera's; finally in the 80D they seem to have finally taken a step in the right direction, as it is at least a real improvement over the pathetic image sensor that they install into the 7D MK II. That sensor is so very weak in all of it's critical parameter's.

I never said that the Canon Company was pathetic, but rather that the dynamic range of their image sensors in the vast majority of their camera's isn't up to current modern standards, in performance specs, and in comparison, to Nikon's and Sony's image sensor performance, they should be ashamed of themselves, and they probably are! This is something that that company must come to grips with and change.

They bring out so many mid-level camera's which no truly wise and discerning person would ever purchase due to their low spec image sensor's alone. The image sensor is the heart of the camera, and its dynamic range is the most important parameter to be considered when comparing a new camera's performance.

Canon is so huge and deeply entrenched and has so much money, clout, advertising, and deep business relationships with and through, so many various organizations, and they have such a significant huge line of ultra high quality lenses, (just as Nikon does, also,) and they are a much larger corporation than Nikon is, with far greater leverage.

And yet, they continue to install (pathetic = so sad that it is funny.) Mediocre performing, image sensors, into most of their present camera models! While Nikon is using the very highest performing sensor's, that are available, on the market to build camera's which are technically superior in a very significant and scientifically measurable way.

DXOMARK LABS, and others, have plainly documented this situation, it is widely know to be the plain truth, and it is factual data which has been openly to the photographic public's attention and consideration. This is the reason that Canon finally has gotten off of their ass, and developed or obtained a better image sensor for their 80D camera, so that it has some chance of competing in this market head to head with the competition.

Sadly, this is certainly NOT the case for the very lame sensor in the 7D MK II...which is right out of a Canon Rebel from 2009/10! It has the very lowest performance specs possible, and to put such an image sensor into what is supposed to be a "state of the art camera" is ludicrous! No one other than the Mighty Canon would dare to pull a stunt like that!

The camera updated in it's auto-focus system so substantially and in it's drive speed and ergonomics and usability and then they install into it the heart of an old dog! Why would such a giant company do such a thing? They have their reasons and they are financial I'm certain.

There are, certain things about Canon camera's, that are better, than Nikon camera's; and also the other way around. THEY ARE BOTH VERY FINE AND WONDERFUL CAMERA'S. I'm just harping on THEIR CHOICE TO INSTALL
A LAME OLD IMAGE SENSOR THAT HAS TERRIBLE PERFORMANCE SPECS RIGHT ACROSS THE BOARD, and in the year 2016, this certainly should not be happening!

If Nikon can put top notch image sensors in their camera's, (other, than just the $6,000.00 one's !!!) Canon should also be doing the same excat thing for all of their customers! They certainly, have the where-with-all to accomplish this, IF, they set this, as their priority and goal.

It is the LOYAL Canon shooter and shopper who would benefit from this!

Does Canon not care about their customer's? The value and performance which they get and receive in exchange for their hard earned dollars? I don't believe that Canon could even give a Rat's Ass about any one of you Canon customer's, except that you continue to place more Canon lenses and bodies and accessories (which they deliberately
gouge all of your blood through, very merrily.)

YOU JUST STOP RIGHT NOW AND THINK About it for a minute...Why haqsn't Canon had their Engineers improve their shitty sensor's to the fine level that Nikon's sensor's are; or why haqven't they gone and purchased those same very exceedingly super high quality image sensors that Nikon has now been puttin into all of their DSLR's for so many yeaqars now, while so many peop0le in the public continually bad mou8th Canon and build up Nikon for the poor image sensors which Canon uses and the great ones that Nikon uses?

They are somehow making very much money in doing just what they are doing...

Perhaps they have 50 warehouses full of those old sensors and the old Japanese leader of the company has sworn that they will ALL be used up before they will entertain using a duifferent type...and so they just keep on stuffing them into all of their mid-line camera's and palming them off on us? They have some real reason behind there madness, I can assure you. There is definitely a reason that they are still putting those shitty old sensors into high tech camera's.

I switched over to Nikon, solely because of the outrageously great performance of the image sensor, that is in my D-7200, I decided, that I wanted to own that camera, that was rated so very high, right up there, amongst all of the full frame Nikons cameras, where only three Canons could be found...the 1DX, 6D, and the 5DSr....amongst every single full frame camera that Nikon makes, and my D-7200, (AND JUST A FEW CAMERA'S DOWN THAT LIST....UP, SO VERY VERY HIGH....)
(ABOVE THE CANON 5D MARK III, which sensor was rated at 80;) The last camera, that I bought, for the hell of it,
as a back up camera, to my D-7200...a Nikon D-3300, which has a sensor rating of 82! The same as my Sony A-6000
I BOUGHT THAT VERY FINE CAMERA, THE NIKON D-3300, WITH 18-55 LENS, FROM B&H, FOR JUST $357.00!

AND JUST IN CLOSING, I WILL REMIND YOU, AGAIN, THAT THE CANON 7D MK II, HAS A SENSOR RATING, OF 70!
****MY 6 YR OLD, CANON EOS REBEL T2i, HAS A SENSOR RATING OF, 66 !!! About the same !!! Ha Ha Ha!!!

THAT IS, NO DIFFERENCE, AT ALL, BETWEEN THE MOST, OUT OF DATE, OF THE OLD, CANON "REBEL'S" AND YOUR NEW "HOTSHOT" HIGH TECH CANON 7D MK II, SENSOR RATED AT 70!

THE D-7200 IS RATED AT 87!
SONY A-6000 AT 82.
D-3300 AT 82.
7D MK II AT 70.
80D AT 79.

I personally would not even compare a Canon 7D MK II to Nikon D-7200, I believe that the Nikon blows it away...
despite the 7D's edge on high speed action focusing...the Nikon is no slouch...

Facts and my opinions...Have a great day, all...Rob.

PS- The sensor is rated by the # of color bits that it can capture, the # of EV units of dynamic range that the sensor is able to properly image, the highest ISO, that it can image, while staying below the specified noise level; these three tests, are put into an algorithm, and a sensor total is then obtained from them. The # of color bits, relates to portraiture, the dynamic range, relates to landscape photography, and the highest ISO, relates to sports and action photography. This is all explained in very great detail at www.dxomark.com along with sensor ratings for all cameras and shaqrpness and other technical info on all lenses ever produced.

Architect1776 Loc: In my mind

Remember DXO only rates ISO 100 they forget the collapse after that by the Nikon and Sony sensors.

robertjerl Loc: Corona, California

Once upon a time I took a class in, I guess you would call it "Misc. skills/tricks for teachers and scholars", we learned how to manipulate the results of a survey by careful wording of the questions as well as how to manipulate the data by changing the criteria used to reach conclusions.
Want to bet some clever type couldn't play with the criteria and tests to change all of those sensor ratings in a very radical manner?

The 7DII sensor is not as bad as you say. Sort of like saying a 900 foot super tanker is no good because someone else built a 1000 foot super tanker. They are both super tankers and in some ways the smaller one is better than the larger.

Merlin1300 Loc: New England, But Now & Forever SoTX

Sell one or 2 of your other camera bodies and use that to help fund the 1DX-II (keep the 80D)

Apaflo Loc: Anchorage, Alaska

DxO rates measures senors at all ISO values. There is no "collapse".

BIG ROB Loc: Princeton, NJ 08540

NOT TRUE...HE DELIBERATELY BAD MOUTHS NIKON AND HYPES CANON.

IN ALL OF HIS CURRENT ADVICE AND REVIEWS.

READ ALL OF HIS PRIOR REVIEWS AND ADVICE AND THERE HE PRAISES NIKON AND STATES
THAT THEY ARE IDENTICAL TO CANON.

HE IS ENTIRELY BIASED AND PARTIAL TO CANON AND AGAINST NIKON!

JUST READ HIS CURRENT AND PREVIOUSW REVIEWS.