Microsoft (again): So after a number of years of using Windows 7 Pro on a Dell laptop which I brought home after an upgrade of my office gear, I get a black screen that says my version...

Murray Loc: New Westminster

So after a number of years of using Windows 7 Pro on a Dell laptop which I brought home after an upgrade of my office gear, I get a black screen that says my version of Windows is phoney. Computer bought new from Dell. It says I can go online to "fix" it, but it doesn't work. The computer is virus protected, etc. Why do I think this may be a ploy to get me to upgrade to Windows 10? I'll probably get a new one, but it's irritating...

OlinBost Loc: Marietta, Ga.

I have gotten this when I reverted from Windows 10 back to Windows 7. Re-enter the key and it should work fine.

rustfarmer

Just heard from one of our engineers that MS recently sent out an update that removes the close button from the window asking if you want to update to Win 10, and now the window only has an "x", which if you click on it will install Win 10. Sneaky BS.

kd7eir Loc: Tucson, AZ

rustfarmer wrote:

Just heard from one of our engineers that MS recently sent out an update that removes the close button from the window asking if you want to update to Win 10, and now the window only has an "x", which if you click on it will install Win 10. Sneaky BS.

The window DOES SAY "Click here to change upgrade schedule or cancel scheduled upgrade" READING IS FUNDAMENTAL

rustfarmer

Not so with the newest change.

tylerdan Loc: Bullard, Tx

Close the window with ALT-F4.

kd7eir Loc: Tucson, AZ

tylerdan wrote:

Close the window with ALT-F4.

If you do anything other than clicking on "Click here to change upgrade schedule or cancel scheduled upgrade" it will install the upgrade.

This is really a lot of noise about nothing - if you bother to READ before you click, then you have no problems.

Los-Angeles-Shooter Loc: Los Angeles

rustfarmer wrote:

Just heard from one of our engineers that MS recently sent out an update that removes the close button from the window asking if you want to update to Win 10, and now the window only has an "x", which if you click on it will install Win 10. Sneaky BS.

And wildly criminal as fraud, computer tampering, unfair business practice, and many other crimes and torts. But not surprising from MicroTheft.

Reinaldokool Loc: San Rafael, CA

rustfarmer wrote:

Just heard from one of our engineers that MS recently sent out an update that removes the close button from the window asking if you want to update to Win 10, and now the window only has an "x", which if you click on it will install Win 10. Sneaky BS.

You can still cancel out of upgrade. But why would you? Windows 10 is the most stable platform on the market with the possible exception of some distributions off Linus. Operating system upgrades are important as they mostly plug holes that Malware programmers exploit. Or, if a user in Nome, Alaska finds a bug, Microsoft corrects it for everyone in the update. (BTW, Windows 10 contains 50-80 million lines of code.) El Capitan for the Mac is estimated to have 80-95 million lines. These are both estimates by knowledgeable people..

Reinaldokool Loc: San Rafael, CA

Los-Angeles-Shooter wrote:

And wildly criminal as fraud, computer tampering, unfair business practice, and many other crimes and torts. But not surprising from MicroTheft.

Wow. Someone doesn't like Microsoft. Heh heh. My friend invented the system for putting a hard drive on the AppleII. Apple sued him. They threw a whole team of lawyers against this guy's startup company. Drove him out of business. He simply could not afford to hire enough lawyers just to read Apple's court submissions. Then they offered him a few hundred thousand. Took his technology and made millions from it. Apple has a history of legal theft.

BTW, I don't like Microsoft either. It just works better than the toy computers from Apple.

Los-Angeles-Shooter Loc: Los Angeles

Reinaldokool wrote:

Wow. Someone doesn't like Microsoft. Heh heh. My ... (show quote)

You're entitled to your opinion. My own is that Mac is a superior system and that MicroTheft is far more unethical than Apple. BTW, refresh my memory: Didn't MicroTheft steal the graphical interface from Apple and get sued for it?

OlinBost Loc: Marietta, Ga.

No Microsoft took the interface from Hewlett Packard's Dashboard and fought Apple.

Los-Angeles-Shooter Loc: Los Angeles

The matter at issue is MicroTheft's fraud and other crimes and torts, in treating a victim's click to close a dialogue box, as assent to installation of Windows 10. That's outright criminal.

kd7eir Loc: Tucson, AZ

Los-Angeles-Shooter wrote:

The matter at issue is MicroTheft's fraud and other crimes and torts, in treating a victim's click to close a dialogue box, as assent to installation of Windows 10. That's outright criminal.

Actually it's not. But good try at being a lawyer. There is absolutely no contract between Microsoft and it's users that the X in a window will do ANYTHING.

The actual user agreement that gives users the right to USE (but NOT OWN) the software actually gives Microsoft the right to change ANYTHING AT ANYTIME FOR ANY REASON, WITH NO OBLIGATION TO INFORM USERS OF THE CHANGE, UNLESS IT INVOLVES THE PRIVACY POLICY.

You should ACTUALLY read one of those user agreements sometime.

Los-Angeles-Shooter Loc: Los Angeles

kd7eir wrote:

Actually it's not. But good try at being a lawyer. There is absolutely no contract between Microsoft and it's users that the X in a window will do ANYTHING.

The actual user agreement that gives users the right to USE (but NOT OWN) the software actually gives Microsoft the right to change ANYTHING AT ANYTIME FOR ANY REASON, WITH NO OBLIGATION TO INFORM USERS OF THE CHANGE, UNLESS IT INVOLVES THE PRIVACY POLICY.

You should ACTUALLY read one of those user agreements sometime.

I'll ignore your sarcasm and insults, counselor. As to user agreements, the courts have often struck down unfair clauses when companies impose onerous, dishonest, and unfair terms in "agreements." For example, the courts now are throwing out "no class action" and "arbitration required" clauses that are present in many user "agreements." In addition, there are various catch all laws which forbid sleazy behavior such as MicroTheft's. E.g., CA B&P Code 17200 & 17500.