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Jun 1, 2016 21:47:58   #
Peterff Loc: O'er The Hills and Far Away, in Themyscira.
 
Freemont wrote:
Thanks for the quick responses.
Like several have mentioned, one camera is probably not better than the other, but for my needs I wanted some specifics.
I no mater how much research I do, I know I will over look some thing.
As far as expanding in the future are prices of lenses about the same for either brand? Are there specific older-used lenses that will work better on the Canon vs the Nikon?
Thanks for the link.
I will try and figure out how to subscribe to that section.


Both Nikon and Canon are excellent choices, with a range of old and new lenses available. Any of the Canon EF family of lenses made since 1987 will work on the T6s or any other EOS camera. The older Canon R, FL, FD, and FDn manual focus lenses will not mount directly on EOS camera bodies without either an adapter or modification and it can get quite complicated.

The Nikon guys can address those opportunities. Most Nikon lenses can be mounted on modern Nikon bodies, but there are some nuances to pay attention to.

Cost wise I would expect them to be equivalent. The main cost difference is between lenses designed for APS-C cameras vs full frame cameras which have to cover a larger sensor area. Bigger glass costs more money regardless of the brand. Buying used lenses can be a very sensible way to go.

Good luck.

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Jun 1, 2016 21:57:01   #
LFingar Loc: Claverack, NY
 
Feel free to offend me whenever you get the urge! As far as which camera, they are both good. Try renting one of each for a few days and go from there.

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Jun 1, 2016 22:00:52   #
BebuLamar
 
To the OP are you going to sell the camera you used to take the 2 pictures you posted?

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Jun 1, 2016 22:31:56   #
anotherview Loc: California
 
Rent to try before you buy:

www.lensrentals.com

www.borrowlenses.com

Good luck.
Freemont wrote:
I am in the market for my first entry level DSLR in the $800.00-$1000.00 range.
Back in the 80's I shot 35mm on a Yeshicha FX-D with an assortment of lenses, but it bit the dust years ago.
Right now I have a point and shoot Sony Cybershot H2 that I use for eBay stuff.

I am willing to accept the kit lens 18-140 to start out with for convenience, however I would like to expand the lens selection as my experence and abilities progress.
Cost and selection of Canon/Nikon and aftermarket lenses will come into play.
I want to shoot family photos, portraits, landscapes, macro, wildlife and some sports, but not much
I have never shot video on a camera, but that might be a deciding factor as well.
No grandkids yet, but I can see where video would be great for capturing family moments.


I would like an articulating touch screen.
Good selection of inexpensive Canon/Nikon and aftermarket lenses.
Easy menu system for beginners, but with the capability of going full manual as I progress.
Touch to focus looks like it would be great for beginners.
Diopter adjustment for my eyesight.
I am trying to decide between the Nikon D5500 and the Canon T6s.
After watching this video I chose 8 of 12 photos in favor of the Canon, but does that mean it is the right camera?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kMLApH63AgQ

Most of you guys on the forum are professional caliber photographers, but I can't afford that high dollar equipment.
I want a good camera foundation that can be expanded on as I learn more about the techniques that it takes to get professional results.
Having said that, there may be other/better options that I have overlooked?

Also, I have a beautiful wife that I would like get some creative shots of.
You know the type.
This is not meant to offend anyone, so if it is not appropriate please take them down
I am in the market for my first entry level DSLR i... (show quote)

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Jun 1, 2016 22:42:55   #
SharpShooter Loc: NorCal
 
Freemont wrote:
Thanks for the quick responses.
Like several have mentioned, one camera is probably not better than the other, but for my needs I wanted some specifics.
I no mater how much research I do, I know I will over look some thing.


Freemont, it's quite easy to overlook things.
I was at your exact crossroads in 2008. I wanted to go Nikon, because that's what I thought I was supposed to do(I'm old). But I did my due diligences. I had shot professionally with film and had planned to do the same with digi.
My research brought me to where the glass is, and the glass is at Canon.
At the beginner level, ANY camera will work...., yes, even a Sony!!!
You know those nice artistic shots you want to do of your wife? Well one of the most revered portrait lenses on the planet is the Canon 85mm f1.2. NO other company even makes a modern AF f1.2 lens, other than Canon. It's a staple in every pros bag. Want faster, Canon also makes a 1.2, 50 and even a faster AF f1.0 50!! These lenses are legendary for their artistic results.
The entire lens lineup is riddled with this kind of stuff. A VERY common question from Nikon users is, "VR, on or off on a tripod?". Well with Canon, it doesn't even matter, ALL their lenses are Auto tripod sensing!!
Is this all small stuff? Maybe to some, but it was big stuff for me.
Consider that Canons printers are designed to work perfectly in conjunction with the Canon system. I can print right off of a Canon RAW with my printer, without even converting to JPEG first.
Remember, you're marrying a system, a family of products, not just a camera.
Will you miss something, I'm sure you will, just don't miss the biggies that aren't usually talked about!!
Again, good luck. ;-)
SS

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Jun 1, 2016 22:55:09   #
boberic Loc: Quiet Corner, Connecticut. Ex long Islander
 
Freemont wrote:
I am in the market for my first entry level DSLR in the $800.00-$1000.00 range.
Back in the 80's I shot 35mm on a Yeshicha FX-D with an assortment of lenses, but it bit the dust years ago.
Right now I have a point and shoot Sony Cybershot H2 that I use for eBay stuff.

I am willing to accept the kit lens 18-140 to start out with for convenience, however I would like to expand the lens selection as my experence and abilities progress.
Cost and selection of Canon/Nikon and aftermarket lenses will come into play.
I want to shoot family photos, portraits, landscapes, macro, wildlife and some sports, but not much
I have never shot video on a camera, but that might be a deciding factor as well.
No grandkids yet, but I can see where video would be great for capturing family moments.


I would like an articulating touch screen.
Good selection of inexpensive Canon/Nikon and aftermarket lenses.
Easy menu system for beginners, but with the capability of going full manual as I progress.
Touch to focus looks like it would be great for beginners.
Diopter adjustment for my eyesight.
I am trying to decide between the Nikon D5500 and the Canon T6s.
After watching this video I chose 8 of 12 photos in favor of the Canon, but does that mean it is the right camera?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kMLApH63AgQ

Most of you guys on the forum are professional caliber photographers, but I can't afford that high dollar equipment.
I want a good camera foundation that can be expanded on as I learn more about the techniques that it takes to get professional results.
Having said that, there may be other/better options that I have overlooked?

Also, I have a beautiful wife that I would like get some creative shots of.
You know the type.
This is not meant to offend anyone, so if it is not appropriate please take them down
I am in the market for my first entry level DSLR i... (show quote)


First, beautiful photos, regardless of the subject, never offend me. Second- by the quality of these shots you need more th an an entry level camera and as a result your budget is to low. Third- before buying any camera go to a store and handle them as "feel" and placement of switches etc is very important. I will leave the Canikon war to others.

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Jun 1, 2016 22:59:10   #
Peterff Loc: O'er The Hills and Far Away, in Themyscira.
 
SharpShooter wrote:
Freemont, it's quite easy to overlook things.
A VERY common question from Nikon users is, "VR, on or off on a tripod?". Well with Canon, it doesn't even matter, ALL their lenses are Auto tripod sensing!!
Is this all small stuff? Maybe to some, but it was big stuff for me.


Almost all apparently, but not quite all according to this: http://cpn.canon-europe.com/content/education/technical/image_stabilization_lenses.do?page=1

Good enough though!

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Jun 1, 2016 22:59:41   #
jcboy3
 
If you can get to a camera store or big box store and handle them, you can assess the major differences between Canon and Nikon:

Lens attachment for Nikon is the opposite direction from everyone else.

Zoom ring ring rotation is the opposite direction from everyone else.

Canon has a bunch of white (actually, cream) lenses.

In addition, there are adapters that allow effective auto focus of Canon lenses on other bodies (Sony, Olympus).

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Jun 1, 2016 23:20:32   #
Freemont
 
Peterff wrote:
Both Nikon and Canon are excellent choices, with a range of old and new lenses available. Any of the Canon EF family of lenses made since 1987 will work on the T6s or any other EOS camera. The older Canon R, FL, FD, and FDn manual focus lenses will not mount directly on EOS camera bodies without either an adapter or modification and it can get quite complicated.

The Nikon guys can address those opportunities. Most Nikon lenses can be mounted on modern Nikon bodies, but there are some nuances to pay attention to.

Cost wise I would expect them to be equivalent. The main cost difference is between lenses designed for APS-C cameras vs full frame cameras which have to cover a larger sensor area. Bigger glass costs more money regardless of the brand. Buying used lenses can be a very sensible way to go.

Good luck.
Both Nikon and Canon are excellent choices, with a... (show quote)
Thats good to know.

SharpShooter wrote:
Freemont, it's quite easy to overlook things.
I was at your exact crossroads in 2008. I wanted to go Nikon, because that's what I thought I was supposed to do(I'm old). But I did my due diligences. I had shot professionally with film and had planned to do the same with digi.
My research brought me to where the glass is, and the glass is at Canon.
At the beginner level, ANY camera will work...., yes, even a Sony!!!
You know those nice artistic shots you want to do of your wife? Well one of the most revered portrait lenses on the planet is the Canon 85mm f1.2. NO other company even makes a modern AF f1.2 lens, other than Canon. It's a staple in every pros bag. Want faster, Canon also makes a 1.2, 50 and even a faster AF f1.0 50!! These lenses are legendary for their artistic results.
The entire lens lineup is riddled with this kind of stuff. A VERY common question from Nikon users is, "VR, on or off on a tripod?". Well with Canon, it doesn't even matter, ALL their lenses are Auto tripod sensing!!
Is this all small stuff? Maybe to some, but it was big stuff for me.
Consider that Canons printers are designed to work perfectly in conjunction with the Canon system. I can print right off of a Canon RAW with my printer, without even converting to JPEG first.
Remember, you're marrying a system, a family of products, not just a camera.
Will you miss something, I'm sure you will, just don't miss the biggies that aren't usually talked about!!
Again, good luck. ;-)
SS
Freemont, it's quite easy to overlook things. br ... (show quote)
That is the type of info I needed. At least used good glass can be found.

jcboy3 wrote:
If you can get to a camera store or big box store and handle them, you can assess the major differences between Canon and Nikon:

Lens attachment for Nikon is the opposite direction from everyone else.

Zoom ring ring rotation is the opposite direction from everyone else.

Canon has a bunch of white (actually, cream) lenses.

In addition, there are adapters that allow effective auto focus of Canon lenses on other bodies (Sony, Olympus).

The only store close to me is Bestbuy and they don't have the electronics setup to feed to the cameras in order to test the features.

boberic wrote:
First, beautiful photos, regardless of the subject, never offend me. Second- by the quality of these shots you need more th an an entry level camera and as a result your budget is to low. Third- before buying any camera go to a store and handle them as "feel" and placement of switches etc is very important. I will leave the Canikon war to others.

That's disappointing.
I was hoping to get good results with the right lenses

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Jun 1, 2016 23:53:45   #
Peterff Loc: O'er The Hills and Far Away, in Themyscira.
 
Freemont wrote:
That's disappointing.
I was hoping to get good results with the right lenses


You will be able to get good results with what you are planning to spend, but you are clearly capable and over time will want to move up, but that takes more money. Boberic's point is well intended, but don't let it put you off, the cameras and lenses you are talking about are vastly superior to many things that were close to state of the art just five or so years ago. That is the nature of technology. Once again, I don't know enough about Nikon to comment, but the T6s is a very capable camera. The lenses will make a difference, and they are really what you invest in. As Sharpie said, you are not buying a camera, you are marrying into a family. You can only spend what you can afford, and hopefully do so wisely. Good glass is not cheap, and good used lenses hold their value well. Also, what Sharpie said about printers is very true. The Canon Pixma Pro Series printers are very good, and they are frequently sold in discount bundles with some of the higher end cameras. People regularly upgrade their bodies in that way, and then resell the printers (brand new) on ebay and you can get them for a very good price. The Canon software that comes with EOS models (Canon Digital Photo Professional) is pretty good (by all accounts better than the Nikon alternative) and also works well with PhotoShop.

Also, even if your best buy doesn't have their cameras ready to power up, you can still get the feel of them which is important. The features take longer to experience anyway, so doing the fact checking online and reading reviews will go a long way to helping you make a choice.

Good luck.

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Jun 1, 2016 23:54:13   #
LarryFB Loc: Depends where our RV is parked
 
Freemont wrote:
Thanks for the quick responses.
Like several have mentioned, one camera is probably not better than the other, but for my needs I wanted some specifics.
I no mater how much research I do, I know I will over look some thing.
As far as expanding in the future are prices of lenses about the same for either brand? Are there specific older-used lenses that will work better on the Canon vs the Nikon?
Thanks for the link.
I will try and figure out how to subscribe to that section.


I am not trying to express that one camera system is better than another. However, you asked "are then specific older-used lenses that will work better on the Canon vs the Nikon?" I will not address specific lenses, but I will say all, or at least almost all of the old Nikon lenses will work on most new Nikon cameras. However, some of them will not work with auto focusing, or auto exposure, you would have to use a manual focus and a manual exposure. The Nikon D5000 series as well as the Nikon 3000 series DO NOT have a focus motor built into the body, so some of the older auto focus lenses that do not have a focus motor in the lens would not auto focus with these cameras. As an aside, the D7000 series bodies do have a focus motor built in.

I do know Canon is different but I can't be too specific. As I understand, Canon has changed their mount several times. Therefore, older Canon lenses may not even be capable of being mounted to a newer Canon camera. If I'm wrong, I'm sure someone on the hog will correct me or at least provide more specific information.

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Jun 2, 2016 00:08:17   #
anotherview Loc: California
 
This Wikipedia write-up explains the Canon EF lens mount: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canon_EF_lens_mount
LarryFB wrote:
I am not trying to express that one camera system is better than another. However, you asked "are then specific older-used lenses that will work better on the Canon vs the Nikon?" I will not address specific lenses, but I will say all, or at least almost all of the old Nikon lenses will work on most new Nikon cameras. However, some of them will not work with auto focusing, or auto exposure, you would have to use a manual focus and a manual exposure. The Nikon D5000 series as well as the Nikon 3000 series DO NOT have a focus motor built into the body, so some of the older auto focus lenses that do not have a focus motor in the lens would not auto focus with these cameras. As an aside, the D7000 series bodies do have a focus motor built in.

I do know Canon is different but I can't be too specific. As I understand, Canon has changed their mount several times. Therefore, older Canon lenses may not even be capable of being mounted to a newer Canon camera. If I'm wrong, I'm sure someone on the hog will correct me or at least provide more specific information.
I am not trying to express that one camera system ... (show quote)

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Jun 2, 2016 00:37:04   #
Peterff Loc: O'er The Hills and Far Away, in Themyscira.
 
LarryFB wrote:
I am not trying to express that one camera system is better than another. However, you asked "are then specific older-used lenses that will work better on the Canon vs the Nikon?" I will not address specific lenses, but I will say all, or at least almost all of the old Nikon lenses will work on most new Nikon cameras. However, some of them will not work with auto focusing, or auto exposure, you would have to use a manual focus and a manual exposure. The Nikon D5000 series as well as the Nikon 3000 series DO NOT have a focus motor built into the body, so some of the older auto focus lenses that do not have a focus motor in the lens would not auto focus with these cameras. As an aside, the D7000 series bodies do have a focus motor built in.

I do know Canon is different but I can't be too specific. As I understand, Canon has changed their mount several times. Therefore, older Canon lenses may not even be capable of being mounted to a newer Canon camera. If I'm wrong, I'm sure someone on the hog will correct me or at least provide more specific information.
I am not trying to express that one camera system ... (show quote)


Larry's info is good for Nikon, as I said earlier, there are nuances to be aware of, and he expressed it well. Let me talk to Canon, and meaning no disrespect to Larry, many Nikonites ding Canon for changing their lens mounts as he expressed, but Nikon has introduced several changes themselves that affect precisely what functionality works or doesn't within its lens and camera families. It gets complicated.

For Canon, here are the facts - and yes they can be checked - Canon introduced the Canonflex SLR with interchangeable lenses in 1959 with the R mount lenses. The R mount was modified to become the FL mount in 1964, but R mount lenses still worked on the newer cameras. The FL mount became the FD mount in 1970 and the FDn mount in 1973. These were all manual focus lenses. In 1987 Canon had to face a painful decision. To do a really good job with auto focus cameras they needed to redesign the lens mount which they did with the introduction of the EOS family of cameras and the EF lens mount family, but that broke compatibility with the older lenses. Since then they have introduced two variants of the EF mount. The EF-S family designed specifically and only for APS-C cameras (such as the T6s) was introduced in 2003. All EF lenses work on all EOS cameras (FF and APS-C), but EF-S lenses will not (normally) mount or work on EOS FF bodies. They aren't designed to deliver an image circle large enough to cover a FF sensor, and they can protrude far enough into the mirror box to interfere with a full frame mirror. There is a design attribute of the EF-S lenses and APS-C camera bodies that prevents EF-S lens being mounted on full frame bodies even though the interconnect parts of the mount are identical. Another variant of the EF mount, EF-M for Canon mirror less cameras was introduced in 2012. EF-M lenses will not function on Canon DSLR bodies, but all Canon EF and EF-S lenses can be used on Canon EOS M mirror less cameras with an adapter.

So, what does this mean? Canon has made one major mount redesign that broke compatibility in 57 years, and it did that 29 years ago. Oh, and it also propelled Canon to being the market leader for SLR and DSLR cameras, a position that was once Nikon's, a long time ago. So was Canon's decision good or bad? Most Canon users don't seem to think it was bad, but some Nikon users keep bringing it up. Probably just jealousy!

Finally, as for those old manual focus Canon lenses, they can be used on EOS cameras with either an adapter or a modified mount. The adapters are less than perfect because they need a correcting lens to achieve infinity focus, and some of those aren't very good, although a few seem to be OK. Or, you can replace the entire mount and have a lens with no added glass that retains the original lens optical qualities. This works pretty well for APS-C bodies, but there can once again be mirror contact issues on full frame bodies. Generally it is only worth doing with the better old lenses.

I have a Canon APS-C DSLR and I have some modified manual focus Canon lenses. The oldest is a Canon FL 55mm f/1.2, which was introduced in 1968. So I'm still taking photographs with a Canon DSLR with a Canon lens made around 48 years ago. That's probably way too much information, but if anyone is interested in the history of Canon, this is a useful resource: http://global.canon/en/c-museum/index.html

So, there you have the Canon story. The Nikon story is equally interesting, and they are both great companies that produce excellent products. It's just up to us to choose our preferred poison!

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Jun 2, 2016 01:34:08   #
SharpShooter Loc: NorCal
 
Peterff wrote:
ry. It's just up to us to choose our preferred poison!


Peter, funny you should put it that way...., but if I was gonna pic poison, I would pick the #1 poison used my most!!!
SS

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Jun 2, 2016 01:45:37   #
Peterff Loc: O'er The Hills and Far Away, in Themyscira.
 
SharpShooter wrote:
Peter, funny you should put it that way...., but if I was gonna pic poison, I would pick the #1 poison used my most!!!
SS


A smart phone????

Gosh, I feel faint! THUDDDD!!!

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