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May 15, 2016 15:42:16   #
Steve Perry Loc: Sylvania, Ohio
 
GraveyDave wrote:
Thanks for all the comparisons. Still makes me want to buy a D500. I will rent one 1st to make sure the high ISO's are at least a few stops better than my D750. I shoot at events that I swear the parents watching the games have to be using night vision glasses!


The D500 is about 1 stop worse then the D750. For low light, stick with full frame. You can tell by my posts I'm a fan of the D500, but I also think you need to use the right camera for the job.

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May 15, 2016 16:05:46   #
blackest Loc: Ireland
 
Steve Perry wrote:
The D500 is about 1 stop worse then the D750. For low light, stick with full frame. You can tell by my posts I'm a fan of the D500, but I also think you need to use the right camera for the job.


Have to admit you have a balanced approach to the D500.

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May 15, 2016 16:12:21   #
Steve Perry Loc: Sylvania, Ohio
 
blackest wrote:
Have to admit you have a balanced approach to the D500.


Thanks - I like to leverage the best tool for the job at hand :)

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May 15, 2016 18:26:42   #
terry44 Loc: Tuolumne County California, Maui Hawaii
 
Though you like one camera better than the other you give a refreshing unbiased opinion. Thank you
Steve Perry wrote:
The D500 is about 1 stop worse then the D750. For low light, stick with full frame. You can tell by my posts I'm a fan of the D500, but I also think you need to use the right camera for the job.

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May 15, 2016 19:57:28   #
Jim Bob
 
mas24 wrote:
The D500 is no slouch. There is an issue with aftermarket battery compatibility. The D7100/7200 were supreme as DX top dogs. Not anymore. The addition of the XQD card and 4K video makes this a desired camera to own. Since I already have DX lenses, owning a D500 will spare me the expense of buying new FX lenses should I upgrade to the lesser expensive D610 or future D620? The D810 full frame, 36 megapixels camera is in a different class. Compare the body cost between a D500 and D810? Yes, FX lenses can be used on DX cameras with good results.
The D500 is no slouch. There is an issue with afte... (show quote)


D7200 still has better image quality up to ISO 6400.

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May 15, 2016 19:59:01   #
Jim Bob
 
Look. You don't need a crowd to convince you to do something dumb.

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May 15, 2016 21:12:01   #
jeep_daddy Loc: Prescott AZ
 
Sorry, but I think both pictures are of poor quality. Maybe UHH reduced the number of pixels when uploaded or something, But neither are sharp on my monitor.

joer wrote:
I've been wrestling with the decision to buy a D500 based on image quality. I know it has some great features but are they worth $2K to me since I already have the D800E and D810.

No expert compares DX to a greater FX pixel count camera cropped; they just say DX is better for reach with no data or images to support it. I have trouble with that.

So I devised a method of comparison. I selected images posted at Imaging Resources at 100 ISO from the D500 and D810. I then reduced the D810 image to 5568x3712, an equivalent crop to match the D500 image size. Then enlarged both to the same size. The results posted here.

I know naysayers will find fault with this comparison, and I'm open to objective evidence to the contrary but spare me the unsupported opinions.

It definitely answers the question for me and I will be saving $2K. The image on the right is from the D810.
I've been wrestling with the decision to buy a D50... (show quote)

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May 15, 2016 22:00:23   #
dennis1
 
mborn wrote:
I use my D500 for Wildlife and my D810 for landscapes and night sky photography and since they use the same batteries and lenses If I want to interchange it is easy to accomplish


Don't know if this was a fair test or not...put a 70/200 f2.8 lens on the D810 zoomed out on assign on a brick building {spot focused on the sign which was about 600ft. away put the lens on theD500 took same shot . Brought into PS side by side zoomed in to 400% I was surprised to see pixalating on the 810 was more than the 500
both raw and jpeg! How do you explain that? Now consider the crop factor of the 500 I would think the 500 would be the lessor quality zooming in to 400% ???

Sorry I am new to site and haven't got to learning to post photos yet

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May 16, 2016 00:49:08   #
Mark7829 Loc: Calfornia
 
Wow, four pages on this foolish topic. Glad I did not jump into it. Hope all of you found nirvana.

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May 16, 2016 08:26:26   #
Tjohn Loc: Inverness, FL formerly Arivaca, AZ
 
It doesn't make sense to me to keep making DX lenses when an FX lens will serve both. Further, it doesn't make sense to me to keep making so many differing sensor sizes and loosing the economy of volume.
I prefer Nikon for SLRs as Canons have failed me. I also prefer Canon point and shoots.
Someone tell me why it makes sense to create a whole new line of lenses for mirrorless cameras and not design cameras to utilize existing lenses.

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May 16, 2016 08:57:23   #
joer Loc: Colorado/Illinois
 
Tjohn wrote:
It doesn't make sense to me to keep making DX lenses when an FX lens will serve both. Further, it doesn't make sense to me to keep making so many differing sensor sizes and loosing the economy of volume.
I prefer Nikon for SLRs as Canons have failed me. I also prefer Canon point and shoots.
Someone tell me why it makes sense to create a whole new line of lenses for mirrorless cameras and not design cameras to utilize existing lenses.


I'm no expert but DX lenses are supposed to be smaller and less expensive to build. Not sure the savings get passed along to the consumer.

I agree with you on the DSLR and Point & Shoot cameras.

Cameras with flopping mirrors have more distance between the senor and mount to provide clearance for the mirror action. Mirrorless lenses mount closer. Have no idea why it has to be so.

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May 16, 2016 09:14:01   #
blackest Loc: Ireland
 
joer wrote:
I'm no expert but DX lenses are supposed to be smaller and less expensive to build. Not sure the savings get passed along to the consumer.

I agree with you on the DSLR and Point & Shoot cameras.

Cameras with flopping mirrors have more distance between the senor and mount to provide clearance for the mirror action. Mirrorless lenses mount closer. Have no idea why it has to be so.


Technically mirrorless camera's don't need to mount closer but having a shorter registration distance means it is relatively simple to adapt a longer registration distance lens to a mirrorless body. I have one which can adjust aperture on Pentax DA lenses which do not have an aperture ring. I also read somewhere it is easier to design wide angle lenses with a short registration distance (don't take my word on it , check).

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May 16, 2016 17:14:03   #
dickwilber Loc: Indiana (currently)
 
blackest wrote:
... I also read somewhere it is easier to design wide angle lenses with a short registration distance (don't take my word on it , check).


Yes, it requires a retrofocus, or inverted telephoto lens configuration, essentially adding elements to the lens design.

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Jul 18, 2016 09:53:23   #
KWM
 
Steve Perry wrote:
For bird photography, the D500 is killer. I'm getting far more keepers with my D500 than I did my D810. Here are just a few from the D500, tons more to go through:

(Obviously click download for the better version)


Great pics Steve. Could you say more about "far more keepers"? Is it the AF? Higher ISO and shutter speed? Noise?

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Jul 18, 2016 12:13:49   #
Steve Perry Loc: Sylvania, Ohio
 
KWM wrote:
Great pics Steve. Could you say more about "far more keepers"? Is it the AF? Higher ISO and shutter speed? Noise?


It's a combination of things. Oddly enough, non of which are ISO :)

The faster frame rate grabs twice as many shots per burst, giving me more choice in wing / head pristine, expression, etc. The larger buffer allows me to keep shooting when I'm engaged with a long action sequence (doesn't happen often, but hey, sometimes the action just doesn't quit!). The AF system is also noticeably better then the D810 and is locking on and staying locked on better. Any one of the above would be a nice upgrade, but all three combined really make a noticeable difference in the quality and quantity of the keepers I get :)

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