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Apr 21, 2012 14:57:09   #
ThomasS Loc: Colorado
 
hflare wrote:
I own a Nikon D80 body....

I have a sigma 28 mm 70 mm DG 2.8

Is this a digital lens?

I want to buy a ultra wide angle lens. I found a

Sigma 10-20mm f/4-5.6 EX DC HSM Lens for Nikon Digital SLR Cameras

which is in my price range... and I only want to take outdoors photographs so the 4.6 is alright for me)

My question is: Is the mm size on both of these lens from a digital measure or is one of the old MM sizes with film camera.

I mean if I look at the 10-20 mm on the potential new lens
am I looking at the same numbers as the 28-70 mm lens?

I was told earlier that when I look at a digital mm I must multiply that MM 2.5 times the actual number on the lens.

for example if I had a 20 mm digital lens, the mm would really be 45 mm in the film lens. (I only understand the film mm's)

Sorry I am getting old......

I guess the simplest way for some of you to help me is to tell me whether this new 12 mm would be actually twice as small as the 28 mm on my other lens....

Thank you if you can figure this out enough to give me some help... I have saved my money for one year and I have enough and I am ready to order.. I live in a very remote area and there is not any camera shops near by. I do not want to spend my money to have to return the item....

Monte
I own a Nikon D80 body.... br br I have a sigma 2... (show quote)


I have a Sigma 10-20mm f/3.5 EX DC HSM that I like a lot. I use mine on a Canon camera that has a 1.6 crop factor, so it acts like a 16-32mm on my camera. One made for your Nikon would be a 15-30mm. I think you will find that more than adequate for wide angle.

Since the DC lenses Sigma makes will only work on a camera with a crop factor, I don't know why they don't put the "actual range" on the barrel. It would make things a lot less confusing. Putting the 35mm equivalent on a lens you can't properly use on a full frame (35mm) camera seems silly to me.

Sigma also makes a less expensive 10-20mm, so you might want to look at it too.

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Apr 21, 2012 17:16:55   #
Nanc Loc: Rocky Face
 
I am really new to the photography terminology. What exactly does "crop factor" mean?
ThomasS wrote:
hflare wrote:
I own a Nikon D80 body....

I have a sigma 28 mm 70 mm DG 2.8

Is this a digital lens?

I want to buy a ultra wide angle lens. I found a

Sigma 10-20mm f/4-5.6 EX DC HSM Lens for Nikon Digital SLR Cameras

which is in my price range... and I only want to take outdoors photographs so the 4.6 is alright for me)

My question is: Is the mm size on both of these lens from a digital measure or is one of the old MM sizes with film camera.

I mean if I look at the 10-20 mm on the potential new lens
am I looking at the same numbers as the 28-70 mm lens?

I was told earlier that when I look at a digital mm I must multiply that MM 2.5 times the actual number on the lens.

for example if I had a 20 mm digital lens, the mm would really be 45 mm in the film lens. (I only understand the film mm's)

Sorry I am getting old......

I guess the simplest way for some of you to help me is to tell me whether this new 12 mm would be actually twice as small as the 28 mm on my other lens....

Thank you if you can figure this out enough to give me some help... I have saved my money for one year and I have enough and I am ready to order.. I live in a very remote area and there is not any camera shops near by. I do not want to spend my money to have to return the item....

Monte
I own a Nikon D80 body.... br br I have a sigma 2... (show quote)


I have a Sigma 10-20mm f/3.5 EX DC HSM that I like a lot. I use mine on a Canon camera that has a 1.6 crop factor, so it acts like a 16-32mm on my camera. One made for your Nikon would be a 15-30mm. I think you will find that more than adequate for wide angle.

Since the DC lenses Sigma makes will only work on a camera with a crop factor, I don't know why they don't put the "actual range" on the barrel. It would make things a lot less confusing. Putting the 35mm equivalent on a lens you can't properly use on a full frame (35mm) camera seems silly to me.

Sigma also makes a less expensive 10-20mm, so you might want to look at it too.
quote=hflare I own a Nikon D80 body.... br br I ... (show quote)

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Apr 21, 2012 20:02:32   #
ThomasS Loc: Colorado
 
Nanc wrote:
I am really new to the photography terminology. What exactly does "crop factor" mean?
ThomasS wrote:
hflare wrote:
I own a Nikon D80 body....

I have a sigma 28 mm 70 mm DG 2.8

Is this a digital lens?

I want to buy a ultra wide angle lens. I found a

Sigma 10-20mm f/4-5.6 EX DC HSM Lens for Nikon Digital SLR Cameras

which is in my price range... and I only want to take outdoors photographs so the 4.6 is alright for me)

My question is: Is the mm size on both of these lens from a digital measure or is one of the old MM sizes with film camera.

I mean if I look at the 10-20 mm on the potential new lens
am I looking at the same numbers as the 28-70 mm lens?

I was told earlier that when I look at a digital mm I must multiply that MM 2.5 times the actual number on the lens.

for example if I had a 20 mm digital lens, the mm would really be 45 mm in the film lens. (I only understand the film mm's)

Sorry I am getting old......

I guess the simplest way for some of you to help me is to tell me whether this new 12 mm would be actually twice as small as the 28 mm on my other lens....

Thank you if you can figure this out enough to give me some help... I have saved my money for one year and I have enough and I am ready to order.. I live in a very remote area and there is not any camera shops near by. I do not want to spend my money to have to return the item....

Monte
I own a Nikon D80 body.... br br I have a sigma 2... (show quote)


I have a Sigma 10-20mm f/3.5 EX DC HSM that I like a lot. I use mine on a Canon camera that has a 1.6 crop factor, so it acts like a 16-32mm on my camera. One made for your Nikon would be a 15-30mm. I think you will find that more than adequate for wide angle.

Since the DC lenses Sigma makes will only work on a camera with a crop factor, I don't know why they don't put the "actual range" on the barrel. It would make things a lot less confusing. Putting the 35mm equivalent on a lens you can't properly use on a full frame (35mm) camera seems silly to me.

Sigma also makes a less expensive 10-20mm, so you might want to look at it too.
quote=hflare I own a Nikon D80 body.... br br I ... (show quote)
I am really new to the photography terminology. W... (show quote)


Nanc,
Most of us are shooting with cameras that have an APS-C sized sensor (Canon 7Ds, Nikon 7000Ds, etc.) instead of a full frame (35mm) sensor, primarily because of cost, but sometimes because of camera body size, or something else. When you buy a lens, the size of the lens is stated in a 35mm size. For example if you buy a lens that says it is a 135mm, that is a 135mm on a full frame camera. If you are using a Canon, Nikon, Pentax, Olympus, Sony, etc. that is not full frame (35mm), you have to multiply 135 buy the crop factor of your camera body. My Canon has a 1.6 crop factor, so the lens acts like a 216mm lens on my camera. Non full frame Nikons have a 1.5 crop factor, so the lens would act like a 202.5mm on them.

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Apr 23, 2012 12:08:33   #
hflare Loc: Florida
 
[quote=ThomasS][quote=Nanc]I am really new to the photography terminology. What exactly does "crop factor" mean? [quote=ThomasS]
hflare wrote:
I own a Nikon D80 body....


Most of us are shooting with cameras that have an APS-C sized sensor (Canon 7Ds, Nikon 7000Ds, etc.) instead of a full frame (35mm) sensor, primarily because of cost, but sometimes because of camera body size, or something else. When you buy a lens, the size of the lens is stated in a 35mm size. For example if you buy a lens that says it is a 135mm, that is a 135mm on a full frame camera. If you are using a Canon, Nikon, Pentax, Olympus, Sony, etc. that is not full frame (35mm), you have to multiply 135 buy the crop factor of your camera body. My Canon has a 1.6 crop factor, so the lens acts like a 216mm lens on my camera. Non full frame Nikons have a 1.5 crop factor, so the lens would act like a 202.5mm on them.
I own a Nikon D80 body.... br br br Most of us a... (show quote)


Thomas,

So if I am looking at a 10 mm lens, It is a 15 mm (crop factor 1.5) on my Nikon D80. Yes?

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Apr 23, 2012 12:39:07   #
madcapmagishion
 
hflare wrote:
So if I am looking at a 10 mm lens, It is a 15 mm (crop factor 1.5) on my Nikon D80. Yes?

Yes, as you also have an APS-C sized sensor.

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Apr 23, 2012 19:27:38   #
ThomasS Loc: Colorado
 
[quote=hflare][quote=ThomasS][quote=Nanc]I am really new to the photography terminology. What exactly does "crop factor" mean?
ThomasS wrote:
hflare wrote:
I own a Nikon D80 body....


Most of us are shooting with cameras that have an APS-C sized sensor (Canon 7Ds, Nikon 7000Ds, etc.) instead of a full frame (35mm) sensor, primarily because of cost, but sometimes because of camera body size, or something else. When you buy a lens, the size of the lens is stated in a 35mm size. For example if you buy a lens that says it is a 135mm, that is a 135mm on a full frame camera. If you are using a Canon, Nikon, Pentax, Olympus, Sony, etc. that is not full frame (35mm), you have to multiply 135 buy the crop factor of your camera body. My Canon has a 1.6 crop factor, so the lens acts like a 216mm lens on my camera. Non full frame Nikons have a 1.5 crop factor, so the lens would act like a 202.5mm on them.
I own a Nikon D80 body.... br br br Most of us a... (show quote)


Thomas,

So if I am looking at a 10 mm lens, It is a 15 mm (crop factor 1.5) on my Nikon D80. Yes?
quote=hflare I own a Nikon D80 body.... br br b... (show quote)


That is correct, and a 15mm is about as wide as anyone needs to go, unless they want to deal with a fisheye lens.

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Apr 23, 2012 23:15:06   #
hflare Loc: Florida
 
Thanks Thomas,

Can you tell me what a full frame camera means?

I take it, my Nikon D80 is not full frame as your last note said.

I am not familiar with that term.....

Thanks in advance...

M....

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Apr 23, 2012 23:23:15   #
MT Shooter Loc: Montana
 
hflare wrote:
Thanks Thomas,

Can you tell me what a full frame camera means?

I take it, my Nikon D80 is not full frame as your last note said.

I am not familiar with that term.....

Thanks in advance...

M....


A "full frame" DSLR refers to any body that has a digital sensor of the same physical dimensions as 35mm film, that being 36mm x 24mm. Any DSLR with a smaller sensor is referred to as a "crop" sensor body because the smaller sensor in effect "crops" the image available from the lens rather than giving you the full image it is capable of.

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Apr 24, 2012 00:50:12   #
frederdane Loc: Orlando, FL
 
MT Shooter wrote:
hflare wrote:
Thanks Thomas,

Can you tell me what a full frame camera means?

I take it, my Nikon D80 is not full frame as your last note said.

I am not familiar with that term.....

Thanks in advance...

M....


A "full frame" DSLR refers to any body that has a digital sensor of the same physical dimensions as 35mm film, that being 36mm x 24mm. Any DSLR with a smaller sensor is referred to as a "crop" sensor body because the smaller sensor in effect "crops" the image available from the lens rather than giving you the full image it is capable of.
quote=hflare Thanks Thomas, br br Can you tell m... (show quote)


Thanks shooter.

Let me weigh in here one more time. It seems Nikonian has already explained this pretty well in his post with the very user-friendly charts. Wikipedia also covers this.
Now, for a even more enriching learning experience, I found that the topic is covered in Utube with a movies on the subject. There are several, which I found by searching "crop factor in DSLR cameras". The first one that came up for me, was a demo by Phillipe Dame, entitled "Focal Length, Angle of View, and Crop Factor."
Covered fully in 14:36 minutes with excellent graphics and charts and a steady, confident, voice-over. There were more listed on the same subject, but I only viewed this one, as I thought it covered the subject very completly and well. He even takes into account the different crop factor for Nikon and Canon; 1.5 for the former, 1.6 for Canon.

Please don't ask why they have different ones!

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Apr 24, 2012 01:25:59   #
BHC Loc: Strawberry Valley, JF, USA
 
http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/381611-REG/Sigma_201306_10_20mm_f_4_5_6D_EX_DC.html

$479.00

Rent to buy.

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Apr 24, 2012 10:55:04   #
frederdane Loc: Orlando, FL
 
Bill41 wrote:
http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/381611-REG/Sigma_201306_10_20mm_f_4_5_6D_EX_DC.html

$479.00

Rent to buy.


Sorry, but just checked and received "B&H no longer offers a rent-to-buy option at this time." Hard to find the message and they probably don't keep their email partners current on everything. Pity, such a wonderful concept for this expensive hobby/profession.

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Apr 25, 2012 00:08:25   #
BHC Loc: Strawberry Valley, JF, USA
 
frederdane wrote:
Bill41 wrote:
http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/381611-REG/Sigma_201306_10_20mm_f_4_5_6D_EX_DC.html

$479.00

Rent to buy.


Sorry, but just checked and received "B&H no longer offers a rent-to-buy option at this time." Hard to find the message and they probably don't keep their email partners current on everything. Pity, such a wonderful concept for this expensive hobby/profession.



Try local dealers.

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