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Dec 4, 2015 08:26:00   #
Rongnongno Loc: FL
 
dsmeltz wrote:
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I suggest you ignore the idiots as I do.

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Dec 4, 2015 08:32:41   #
dsmeltz Loc: Philadelphia
 
Rongnongno wrote:
I suggest you ignore the idiots as I do.


You are, of course, correct. I let myself get baited by BS. It ends now.

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Dec 4, 2015 14:45:45   #
bwana Loc: Bergen, Alberta, Canada
 
Rongnongno wrote:
I suggest you ignore the idiots as I do.


Amen to that! Let's get back to the topic.

"So, it is not the lens, it is the sensor..." in case anyone has forgotten!

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Dec 4, 2015 15:03:42   #
tdekany Loc: Oregon
 
I posted my Flickr link above for you. Did you miss it? Just remember I don't claim to be good, and more importantly don't blame the equipment for MY lack of skills.

dsmeltz wrote:
Look. I have not attacked anyone's posted pictures.


YOU HAVE.


If you attack others posted pictures (as you have in this thread), you are placing the CHIP on YOUR shoulder and daring anyone to knock it off. HOWEVER, you don't put your pictures where your mouth is.

If you want to criticize R's photos, put up your own as proof of competence.

I don't know if you are any good or not. So far you have offered no proof on this site that your opinion of other's abilities should be held in any regard.

Just sayin'
Look. I have not attacked anyone's posted picture... (show quote)

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Dec 4, 2015 15:06:13   #
tdekany Loc: Oregon
 
Rongnongno wrote:
I suggest you ignore the idiots as I do.


Takes one to know one doesn't it?

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Dec 4, 2015 15:24:18   #
dsmeltz Loc: Philadelphia
 
tdekany wrote:
I posted my Flickr link above for you. Did you miss it? Just remember I don't claim to be good, and more importantly don't blame the equipment for MY lack of skills.


Offer them here or don't. If you criticize what is offered here by another photographer, then offer here your counter.

It is not my job to go look for your proofs.

I mean. Get real. I now drop this discussion, since you are unable to pursue it with integrity.

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Dec 4, 2015 16:48:36   #
tdekany Loc: Oregon
 
dsmeltz wrote:
Offer them here or don't. If you criticize what is offered here by another photographer, then offer here your counter.

It is not my job to go look for your proofs.

I mean. Get real. I now drop this discussion, since you are unable to pursue it with integrity.


Offer them where? In this thread? And how many? But why would I? Ron's signature says specifically not to post pictures in his threads. What difference would that make? Especially since you yourself told me to go look at your pictures elsewhere. You are not making much sense. I posted my link to over 15k pictures and you are telling me I have no integrity? Get real will you? Plus the thread was started by an incompetent photographer blaming the gear instead of admitting that it is HIM. Wasn't about my pictures.

I took the time to search for your picture. As I said I found one. I post a link to all my snapshots for you, are you really that lazy to click on a link?

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Dec 5, 2015 00:49:45   #
rehess Loc: South Bend, Indiana, USA
 
Rongnongno wrote:
I suggest you ignore the idiots as I do.
Apparently you're now ignoring just about everyone. Three daze ago, two pages ago, I asked you for a specific explanation of how you came to your conclusions. I asked this hoping for an answer, because I was hoping to use it to better understand why so many lenses, both film-era and current, don't provide the resolution required by my current-day Pentax Q-7, which seemingly has the same pixel density as does your mythical some-day 250mb camera.

I am still waiting.

bwana wrote:
Amen to that! Let's get back to the topic.
"So, it is not the lens, it is the sensor..." in case anyone has forgotten!

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Dec 5, 2015 07:32:42   #
selmslie Loc: Fernandina Beach, FL, USA
 
rehess wrote:
... Apparently you're now ignoring just about everyone. ...

Don't hold your breath.

By now Ron has figured out that his premise, as in most of the threads he starts, was based on a lack of understanding of the subject matter. He cannot defend his statement because there is no evidence to support it.

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Dec 5, 2015 10:07:33   #
wj cody Loc: springfield illinois
 
speters wrote:
Well, all that' said, if pros are asked to provide the utmost picture quality for certain jobs, that also require huge enlargements, they always go back to film, and yes, they use "old" proven optics. Now, they have 420mp cameras that they can use, but film still delivers the best image quality, and the lenses are up to the task (a lot of those lenses were made in the 60's and 70's!!!!!


and don't digital users just hate that?! however, since digital users are loath to actually print their output, they never experience the lack of image quality.
they also are under some strange illusion that the laws of optics can be manipulated. if so, they should start experimenting on their eyes, if so confident.

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Dec 5, 2015 13:53:16   #
rehess Loc: South Bend, Indiana, USA
 
wj cody wrote:
however, since digital users are loath to actually print their output, they never experience the lack of image quality.

"Loath" is a misleading word. In the daze of film, I shot mostly slide film; today, jpeg-on-computer is a similar concept, but just easier for me to get to since I don't have to drag out a projector and screen.
I have taken many thousands of pictures over the past 50 years; I have scanned just a fraction of the slides I took 1969-2006, and I'm already up to 3560 images scanned (and hopefully that count will be a couple more tomorrow). An album of 4x6 prints would not be that helpful(*) to me, and I've never owned a house with enough wall-space to hang that many in a larger format, so slides, now jpegs-on-computer, have turned out to meet my needs the best.

(*) many of my pictures are combining my two hobbies - railroading and photography. Many of the pictures I've taken over the years are "what station is here today?" or "how is this piece of equipment painted today"?". In that setting, sharpness is reasonably important, as is color rendition, but I need a good view to see those things. A small print is just not enough; I'm not sure that an 8x10 would even be enough; a projected image, or one on a screen I can zoom into, is exactly what I need.

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