burkphoto wrote:
Welcome to the age of political correctness. I'm the first one to say I HATE political correctness, because 95% of the time, there is absolutely no intention of ill will on the part of the person who is being politically incorrect. But at the same time:
The Platinum Rule is a good guide for life: "Do unto others as THEY WANT TO BE DONE UNTO..." In most urban areas, in fact most places in the USA and the Western World, most females over 14 do not want to be referred to as a "girl". "Lady," or "young lady," Miss, Ms, Mrs, or similar terms work well.
It may seem to be a compliment, but "girl" can have many kinds of degrading and insulting connotations. If you're not aware of them, just ask a few women to explain it to you. You'll have your ears burning in no time.
Women might refer to *themselves* as "girls", when they're engaged in "girl talk", but that doesn't mean you can use that term if you're not part of their group! It's the same as African Americans using the 'N' word to refer to their black friends. With them, it's a term of endearment, or brotherhood, or even respect (!). Coming from someone who isn't black, it's the worst kind of insult there is.
I know it's confusing, but you just have to accept it and move on.
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Burkphoto you get it! And whether a person believes in PC or not, it's here to stay. I'm African American(black) and for a example some of my best friends are German American(white). We are "boys" aka buddies but if someone called me a boy then I would take offense. I have a client that owns a Irish dance school. In our conversations she often refers to her staff and students as "Irish bit....". I always laugh when she does this but I know if I called them that it would offend her. YOU SAID IT PERFECTLY when you wrote "but you just have to accept it and move on". I do agree though with what some one else posted regarding leaving the camera club. It appears that it's more then just this one issue.
paulrph1 wrote:
I might be called a boy by someone and myself being of the male gender I have two choices, to be offended or to look at thing rationally. A boy might refer to someone being young or it might refer to an older man trying to make them feel young. Why be offended over something so trivial? But the President is using this as a sounding board and that should give you a clue to the fact that she is narrow minded and clueless.
I generally agree with you. But part of moving forward in the world of work and social life is getting past OTHERS' barriers. If it takes using neutral speech to do that, I'll use neutral speech.
I was in front of people as a trainer for many years. I learned to avoid all the hot buttons... usually through the innocent ignorance of pressing them.
I did find that once you acknowledge a faux pas, and inform the offended of your innocent ignorance, they'll excuse it and allow you to make amends. Sometimes you can even enlighten them to the point of understanding the triviality of their complaints.
Keep calling her a girl or whatever you want.
We must stand up to this PC crap one person at a time.
bugguy wrote:
Burkphoto you get it! And whether a person believes in PC or not, it's here to stay. I'm African American(black) and for a example some of my best friends are German American(white). We are "boys" aka buddies but if someone called me a boy then I would take offense. I have a client that owns a Irish dance school. In our conversations she often refers to her staff and students as "Irish bit....". I always laugh when she does this but I know if I called them that it would offend her. YOU SAID IT PERFECTLY when you wrote "but you just have to accept it and move on". I do agree though with what some one else posted regarding leaving the camera club. It appears that it's more then just this one issue.
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Thanks! I hope I get it, but at 60, I admit I'm still learning.
I grew up between two Jewish families in Greensboro, NC. Then I lived through school integration race riots of the '70s in Jesse Jackson's home town of Greenville, SC.
For summer jobs in college, I worked in textile mills beside technicians from Calcutta, India, and British technicians from Oldham, England, not to mention the poor South Carolinian descendants of Irish potato farmers. I played translator!
For over three decades, I worked in a business that was 80% female. My twins have always gone to magnet schools where they are in the <15% minority. My wife and I have hosted Chinese, Ukranian, and German exchange students in our home.
So I've learned sometimes the hard way to be sensitive to what offends people. When you get bit saying something you didn't know could be offensive, just apologize, learn from it, and attempt to move to common ground. And don't do it again!
Arguing needlessly, or getting into a pissing match over who is right, or what offends whom, is fruitless and distracting.
All that's to say this is America, a melting pot of a zillion cultures where tolerance, respect, and courtesy are basic forms of social currency, as well as a basic necessity for successful interaction.
Uh, Oh! When did G-I-R-L become a "four-letter-word"???
2Dragons wrote:
Uh, Oh! When did G-I-R-L become a "four-letter-word"???
Ever since they had cooties. :lol:
n3eg
Loc: West coast USA
2Dragons wrote:
Uh, Oh! When did G-I-R-L become a "four-letter-word"???
I'd just refer to them as "dude." That usually offends everyone. It even offended the dog in my profile picture, because he growled at me.
n3eg wrote:
I'd just refer to them as "dude." That usually offends everyone. It even offended the dog in my profile picture, because he growled at me.
So true!
Dudes and Dudettes is sure to be a crowd pleaser... NOT.
Stanman
Loc: Gaithersburg, Maryland
Women are very sensitive regarding being called a girl when they are adults, just as men may be irritated when called "boy."
By the way, learn the difference between manor and manner.
EdM wrote:
We all have problems, you just witnessed one of hers. WHY DO YOU CARE? Smile, and if you have a sense of humor, say "yes dear", her response will dictate your further relationship.... I usta keep a card in my wallet, guidance for emergencies, card had a cartoon of Snoopy on his dog house, paws crossed, on his back looking at the sky,,.. the balloon over Snoopys head said "fuck it!"....
Great!! I used to have a card AND a rubber stamp that said "resubmit in 30 days for final disapproval."
Stanman wrote:
Women are very sensitive regarding being called a girl when they are adults, just as men may be irritated when called "boy."
By the way, learn the difference between manor and manner.
Then get over being sensitive.
This nation is so hyper sensitive I am surprised that everyone doesn't break out crying every day due to sensitivity.
Toughen up. I don't care about sensitivity of anyone. Yes, I will be polite and civil but screw this touchy feely world. Get a life or crawl under a rock.
Personally, having spent quite a bit of time in the South during my USAF career, I find that "y'all" and "all y'all" works in almost every situation ... usually because the overly pc folks are trying to figure out (a) what it means and (b) what is offensive about it.
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