Yeah, they said eggs & coffee & wine were bad for us, but guess what ? They changed their tune. Same thing concerning Cholesterol in our diets... Changed their tune on that as well. And it was "scientists" who thought the Earth was flat all those decades ago.... Those were all undisputed "facts" before, so just because there is a consensus, doesn't mean it's correct. There are too many variables in our world to be certain of all we think we know.. Sure a hypothesis can be tested & retested with the same results, but what if those doing the testing are all making the same mistake ?.... GIGO (Garbage In , Garbage Out). Learned about that taking programming courses. Trying to find a mistake in code & not being able to see something right in front of your face...
Twardlow wrote:
Wrong, and unthoughtful. Science is not a guess. There are theories still to be proved. However, there is much that has been tested and retested for a hundred years and more--those are not guesses!
Does water freeze at 32 degree F? Is that a guess?
Is the speed of light, theorized, tested and retested, a firm figure? Do you have another speed to suggest? Can you prove it?
The scientific method includes the hypothesis, a suggestion of what might be right, the theory, a tested and repeatedly tested hypothesis, and what is extablished at settled theory (which no longer qualifies as theory) which is scientific fact as we understand it.
Upon this basis, we chart the heavens, prove that heavenly bodies are all moving away from each other--that is, the universe is expanding at a frightful speed--we have antibiotics that have saved millions (the polio vacine, for example) we have placed men on the moon and brought them home again, and on and on.
These are not the 'best guesses,' but established and repeated and dependable Fact.
Gradually, we learn the way the world works, we gradually understand it, we gradually improve the lives of humanity.
It can be done, suffering occasional error or misunderstanding, reaching rich success for all.
It ain't all a guess.
Wrong, and unthoughtful. Science is not a guess. ... (
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Keenan
Loc: Central Coast California
Twardlow wrote:
Except for "right and wrong."
Yea, I left that one to be fixed later since I couldn't decipher the meaning of the "Wright and Wrong" thingie.
green
Loc: 22.1749611,-159.646704,20
Twardlow wrote:
Wrong, and unthoughtful. Science is not a guess. There are theories still to be proved. However, there is much that has been tested and retested for a hundred years and more--those are not guesses!
Does water freeze at 32 degree F? Is that a guess?
Is the speed of light, theorized, tested and retested, a firm figure? Do you have another speed to suggest? Can you prove it?
The scientific method includes the hypothesis, a suggestion of what might be right, the theory, a tested and repeatedly tested hypothesis, and what is extablished at settled theory (which no longer qualifies as theory) which is scientific fact as we understand it.
Upon this basis, we chart the heavens, prove that heavenly bodies are all moving away from each other--that is, the universe is expanding at a frightful speed--we have antibiotics that have saved millions (the polio vacine, for example) we have placed men on the moon and brought them home again, and on and on.
These are not the 'best guesses,' but established and repeated and dependable Fact.
Gradually, we learn the way the world works, we gradually understand it, we gradually improve the lives of humanity.
It can be done, suffering occasional error or misunderstanding, reaching rich success for all.
It ain't all a guess.
Wrong, and unthoughtful. Science is not a guess. ... (
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what you say is certainly true for the mechanical portion of the program... but there is much more to life than that! I claim that all of our theories will be modified as the "science of consciousness" is integrated into the various fields.. what part does consciousness play in evolution? we know the mechanics, enough to pull the levers and switch the switches... but there will come a time when we will be able to literally create our reality, consciously... my opinion, of course.
Keenan
Loc: Central Coast California
Screamin Scott wrote:
And it was "scientists" who thought the Earth was flat all those decades ago"
Decades ago? You are a little off with your history. Actually, you are WAY off. It wasn't "decades ago", it was millennium ago, WAY BEFORE Galileo (15641642) was generally credited with being the father of the scientific method, that people believed the Earth was flat, silly. No scientists were insisting that the Earth was flat, even during Galileo's time, though there were certainly religious people who were continuing to insist the Earth is flat. So you are completely incorrect that science ever claimed that it was an "undisputed fact" that the Earth was flat.
Real scientists have never claimed that science knows everything and is right about everything, unlike your assertion to the contrary. This is a straw man that is constantly trotted out by religious fundamentalists who still attempt to claim that the Bible is a better source of knowledge about the universe than science.
Screamin Scott wrote:
There are too many variables in our world to be certain of all we think we know.
No scientist that I know would ever claim that science has discovered all we think we know to be true. There are some things that are very well understood by science and known to be true with a very high confidence and probability, and there are some areas where science still has a long way to go to understand. The way the physical world works is very well understood and isn't going to change much at this point. For example, the chemical periodic table is not going to be someday thrown out and proven wrong because it has become an undisputed 100% predictable understanding of how matter behaves in our universe.
Regardless, the idea that some people have in their head that some book written thousands of years ago about a religious myth involving a make believe man in the sky who supposedly created everything in 6 days, blah, blah, blah, can possibly be a better, more reliable way to find the t***h about our world than using the scientific method of careful observation, testing, gathering and calculating data in a rational and mathematical way, and retesting and revising over and over again, is just r****ded and delusional.
Keenan
Loc: Central Coast California
ken hubert wrote:
They call you an educated fool!
"They" being the ultra-low-IQ imbeciles with their heads up their asses, like yourself? Yea, I care oh so much about your opinion Kenniegirl (not!).
Keenan wrote:
Looks like you made a few typos. Here, I'll fix it for you:
-Science displaced the Bible with Science as a much more reliable search for the t***h
-Some Christian's - notably the Christian 'Right' (who are in fact 'wrong') do not accept science and label anybody who does as "liberals"
-"PC (political correctness)eliminated both Wright & Wrong." (Still trying to decipher the meaning of this...will get back to you...)
-Christian Fundamentalism and Right Wing ideology is a kind of faith which eliminates common sense.
There. Fixed.
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LOL not quite, still broken...you really have no idea what you are talking about do you? NO
ken hubert wrote:
I ran the b***h off another thread when I schooled his ass on history. He ran off and never came back.
He is full of misinformation that's for sure.
Keenan
Loc: Central Coast California
ken hubert wrote:
I ran the b***h off another thread when I schooled his ass on history. He ran off and never came back.
Schooled me? You can't be serious. Anybody can read that thread for themselves and see quite clearly whose ass was schooled (hint: it wasn't me). Amazing how ignorance and delusional psychosis seem to go together so consistently with you i***ts.
Keenan wrote:
Schooled me? You can't be serious. Anybody can read that thread for themselves and see quite clearly whose ass was schooled (hint: it wasn't me). Amazing how ignorance and delusional psychosis seem to go together so consistently with you i***ts.
You think Conservatives are anti-science because??
Keenan
Loc: Central Coast California
Racmanaz wrote:
You think Conservatives are anti-science because??
They have taken anti-Science stances on:
-R****m
-C*****e C****e
-women's reproductive rights (again and again)...
-Creationism vs Evolution
-Generally any issue involving the protection of profits of big money corporate interests, or biblical beliefs
For further reading:
Anti-Science Beliefs Jeopardize U.S. Democracy - Scientific American
http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/antiscience-beliefs-jeopardize-us-democracy/
Keenan wrote:
They have taken anti-Science stances on:
-R****m
-C*****e C****e
-women's reproductive rights (again and again)...
-Creationism vs Evolution
-Generally any issue involving the protection of profits of big money corporate interests, or biblical beliefs
B.S. LOL, you post such nonsense it's amazingly ignorant.
Keenan
Loc: Central Coast California
Racmanaz wrote:
B.S. LOL, you post such nonsense it's amazingly ignorant.
:lol: Then why did you bother asking me when you and I both know that no matter what my answer was, you would have responded precisely the same way?
By the way, by the looks of your sentence, it appears that you have been taking grammar lessons from Kevin McCarthy - We dont have the same as difficult decision that this White House is managing the decline and putting us in tough decisions for the future.
Anti-science on r****m??? LOL what does r****m have to do with science?
C*****e C****e- almost everybody believes in c*****e c****e, it's the cause is what is debated.
Creationism vs Evolution? wrong again, Darwinian evolution is not even science, in order for Darwinian evolution to be science it would have to be observable which it is not....fail again.
Women's reproductive rights has nothing to do with science or a******n. Just another deceptive term, Conservative WANT women to have their children born...reproduction means to reproduce.... it's the exact opposite of a******n.....fail again.
Keenan wrote:
:lol: Then why did you bother asking me when you and I both know that no matter what my answer was, you would have responded precisely the same way?
I do it to reveal your obvious ignorance, you have no idea what you are talking about.
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