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Oct 25, 2015 15:21:07   #
John_F Loc: Minneapolis, MN
 
papakatz45 wrote:
Thank you. What's the point of having a discussion forum when you are told you should have done all your research on other sites. I don't get it


When some grump about others posts, I just sort of figure the grumper's morning corn flakes went down crooked and then belch.

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Oct 25, 2015 17:10:23   #
Architect1776 Loc: In my mind
 
MT Shooter wrote:
There was no such thing as a "Circular" polarizer in the 1970's. These are all "Linear" polarizers. Their physical shape has absolutely nothing at all to do with their function.
Your comment shows you obviously have no understanding of the differences nor the functions of these filters. Please do your research, it can save you from future embarrassment.
Circular polarization was developed to allow compatibility with Autofocus sensors when they were developed and it was quickly discovered that Linear polarization was not compatible with these sensors. Linear polarization is also not compatible with SOME metering systems.
There was no such thing as a "Circular" ... (show quote)

This is BS there were circular polarizers in the 70's. Canon f-1 and FTb required them to meter correctly and so stated in their instructions. They were expensive but readily available anywhere.
I used them with my Canon FTb etc in the 70's.

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Oct 25, 2015 18:23:35   #
cambriaman Loc: Central CA Coast
 
Buying larger and stepping down is the way to go. Be sure to buy the largest one you expect to have a lens for.

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Oct 25, 2015 18:36:57   #
Murray Loc: New Westminster
 
papakatz45 wrote:
How can asking a question on this forum ever be embarrassing? Isn't one of the points of this forum is to do research, ask questions and get answers? While you gave very good information, your method of criticism for asking the question is simply wrong in my opinion.


It wasn't a question. It was an apparently incorrect response.

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Oct 25, 2015 19:39:00   #
bobburk3 Loc: Maryland
 
papakatz45 wrote:
How can asking a question on this forum ever be embarrassing? Isn't one of the points of this forum is to do research, ask questions and get answers? While you gave very good information, your method of criticism for asking the question is simply wrong in my opinion.


I agree! That was not a nicely worded reply. members ask questions because they are trying to understand how to use equipment and improve their knowledge.

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Oct 25, 2015 21:58:08   #
James R. Kyle Loc: Saint Louis, Missouri (A Suburb of Ferguson)
 
Steve Perry wrote:
OK, to answer your questions:

1. You want a CPL for sure, no old filters. A linear filter will mess with BOTH AF and metering. Besides, I'd bet the newer filters are far better quality :thumbup:

2. I'd say try to avoid stepping rings. The don't allow you to use your hood, and when photographing stuff around water, it's nice to have the hood to help keep stray water droplets off (not 100% effective, but better than nothing). Check out KEH for used polarizer filters, you can probably get both sizes you need for less than what you would pay for the large one new. Just stick with good brands like B+W, Hoya, Nikon (I use Nikon myself and have been VERY happy with them).

3. As for adjusting with the hood on, sometimes you an reach in and turn, but I usually just take my hood off, adjust, and then put it back on.

4. Forget using a polarizer and UV filter together - there's no advantage to it, it can cause vignetting, and it may degrade image quality.

Finally, for more on polarizers:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vMOsBG2JaZY
OK, to answer your questions: br br 1. You want a... (show quote)

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Again I find myself in total agreement with you on this point.

The VID is a good one as well.

Thank you for posting this.

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Oct 25, 2015 21:58:57   #
CathyAnn Loc: Apache Junction, AZ
 
bobburk3 wrote:
I agree! That was not a nicely worded reply. members ask questions because they are trying to understand how to use equipment and improve their knowledge.


Learning to understand how to use my equipment and improve my knowledge is why I'm on this forum. And, being new to photography, I'm learning a lot. Often, I need to read something over and over again, over time, for it to start to sink in - and I take notes. It seems that a question can be asked many times and I'm picking up on some aspect I hadn't thought about before. Besides, it's good to revisit topics which let me know now much or how little I've retained. :-D

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Oct 26, 2015 00:14:11   #
RWR Loc: La Mesa, CA
 
cambriaman wrote:
Buying larger and stepping down is the way to go.


You cannot mount a filter larger than the lens with a step down ring. With a step down ring, the male thread is larger than the female thread. With a step up ring, the male thread is smaller than the female thread.

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Oct 26, 2015 01:43:00   #
Macronaut Loc: Redondo Beach,Ca.
 
RWR wrote:
You cannot mount a filter larger than the lens with a step down ring. With a step down ring, the male thread is larger than the female thread. With a step up ring, the male thread is smaller than the female thread.

:?: :| :?:

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Oct 26, 2015 02:12:56   #
GENorkus Loc: Washington Twp, Michigan
 
RWR wrote:
You cannot mount a filter larger than the lens with a step down ring. With a step down ring, the male thread is larger than the female thread. With a step up ring, the male thread is smaller than the female thread.


Sure it's possible.

Lets say you have a lens that normally takes a 62mm filter. Then attach a step-up ring to accept 82mm filters. Then use a step-down ring on that ring to accept a 72mm filter. Then put your larger than the original lens filter size, (the 72 filter), on that.

It'd be a "mish-mash" setup but can be done! If all you had available were those items, it'd work... not the best setup though.

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Oct 26, 2015 02:40:28   #
RWR Loc: La Mesa, CA
 
GENorkus wrote:
Sure it's possible.

Lets say you have a lens that normally takes a 62mm filter. Then attach a step-up ring to accept 82mm filters. Then use a step-down ring on that ring to accept a 72mm filter. Then put your larger than the original lens filter size, (the 72 filter), on that.

It'd be a "mish-mash" setup but can be done! If all you had available were those items, it'd work... not the best setup though.


Rather convoluted, but yep, it'll work!

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Oct 26, 2015 07:33:10   #
DirtFarmer Loc: Escaped from the NYC area, back to MA
 
MT Shooter wrote:
Your old filter was a "Linear" filter, not compatible with AF cameras. You need a "Circular" polarizer filter for use with todays cameras. The older Linear type were more effective. and can still be used in Manual Focus scenarios.

A linear polarizer will work with digital cameras. However, as noted, it may interact with metering and/or autofocus. Those two functions use reflected light from the camera's mirror. Reflections change the polarization of the light, so linear polarization of the light coming into the camera may change the light available to the metering/AF sensors. It will change with the orientation of the polarizer.

A circular polarizer is a double element. The first element is a linear polarizer. The second element is a "quarter-wave plate", oriented at 45 degrees to the plane of polarization of the light from the polarizer. That converts the linear polarized light to circular polarization without losing light intensity. Circular polarized light reflects like unpolarized light so there is no interaction with the metering/AF.

You can easily try out your old filter. Set your camera on a tripod and take a bunch of pictures of a scene with various orientations of the filter. It would probably be best to do this with a scene that you would expect to have some polarization of the light, e.g. looking at 90 degrees from the sun, maybe with some reflections on water. However, you're looking for effects of the polarization of the image light, so it's not strictly necessary to have the image polarized.

MT Shooter wrote:
A step-up ring from your smallest lens size to your largest lens size is a good way to save some funds. The hood issue can easily be overcome by buying a collapsible rubber lens hood in the same size as the filter. It will screw into the filters threads and allows you to adjust the polarizing filter simply by rotating the rubber hood attached to it.

It does save the cost of some filters, but if you need to change lenses the time to change both the lens and the filter is increased.

A screw-on rubber hood will be a uniform depth all around, unlike the shaped hoods that are used with most modern lenses.

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