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Oct 5, 2015 21:35:21   #
DavidPine Loc: Fredericksburg, TX
 
I chimp. I bracket manually. I use a camranger frequently. I shoot live view frequently. I shoot RAW. I will do anything to make a good image. I use Mup. I use a shutter release. I use a good tripod. I use good tripod heads. I use speedlites, strobes and modifiers.

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Oct 5, 2015 21:39:38   #
Flyerace Loc: Mt Pleasant, WI
 
I chimp when I take photos. I love to see what I just shot. Life isn't so fast I can't take a second to check out my photos. Sometimes, the unexpected happens in a photo and it is fun to see what might be waiting for me when I get back to my computer.

Unprofessional?? I shoot primarily with a RED Camera. One person told me no one would take me seriously. What do I care? I do not do this professionally. This is my hobby. I actually had a photographer sniff at me at an event. His wife turned to him and asked why he didn't have such a cool camera.

So chimping, and primping are issues. Wait until I set something on fire and turn out the light!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Oct 5, 2015 22:15:53   #
CHOLLY Loc: THE FLORIDA PANHANDLE!
 
Peterff wrote:
Chimping in this context is behavior, not tools or technology. Where or whether you chimp is your own concern, nothing to do with the technology at hand.

This is not a mirror-less vs DSLR or other format discussion, unless of course you have some kind of religion or argument to peddle.

Are you suggesting that we all dial "1-800- SONY-EVF" to be saved and achieve eternal salivation?

Apparently, operators may be standing by, and a free set of original signed Ansel Adams prints will be available to the first fifty subscribers to the church of Sony....

Where do we sign up?

Yikes!

Shill out, Dude!
Chimping in this context is behavior, not tools or... (show quote)

:?:

Really?

I seconded a post by another individual who correctly pointed out that with mirrorless cameras, chimping was unneccessary... yet YOU respond this way and tell ME to chill?

Take your own advice Pete... relax and enjoy man.

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Oct 5, 2015 22:49:57   #
Peterff Loc: O'er The Hills and Far Away, in Themyscira.
 
CHOLLY wrote:
:?:

Really?

I seconded a post by another individual who correctly pointed out that with mirrorless cameras, chimping was unneccessary... yet YOU respond this way and tell ME to chill?

Take your own advice Pete... relax and enjoy man.


Actually you missed the point of my post, since chimping through the viewfinder is still chimping essentially, and I wasn't meaning chill, I meant shill for Sony....

Although you post many very good things, the answer is usually the same, mirrorless and Sony....

Didn't mean to be offensive, apologies....

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Oct 5, 2015 23:01:38   #
anotherview Loc: California
 
I call it "reviewing" my shot.

The monitor on newer digital cameras provides a boatload of information about exposure. I look at it to confirm settings.

The Histogram alone proves invaluable information about the exposure.

I make use of all this information regardless of labeling by others. Let them do as them please.

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Oct 5, 2015 23:05:05   #
CHOLLY Loc: THE FLORIDA PANHANDLE!
 
Peterff wrote:
Actually you missed the point of my post, since chimping through the viewfinder is still chimping essentially, and I wasn't meaning chill, I meant shill for Sony....

Although you post many very good things, the answer is usually the same, mirrorless and Sony....

Didn't mean to be offensive, apologies....


Actually, I DO like Sony products a lot. They make great stuff. SERIOUSLY.

Comes from a legacy of using excellent Minolta gear. ;)

But I also like the Olympus OM-D EM-1, The Nikon D800E, and I LOVE the Canon 5DIII as an all around pro camera.

But modern EVF'S are a REALLY powerful tool for photographers. You can keep your eye in the finder and not only see what you are going to get before you press the finger down, you can actually see what you got without moving your head.

Win-win!

And no need to apologize good sir; I misinterpreted your reply. I should apologize to YOU.

I'm sorry for snapping. :(

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Oct 6, 2015 04:50:16   #
SharpShooter Loc: NorCal
 
DavidPine wrote:
I chimp. I bracket manually. I use a camranger frequently. I shoot live view frequently. I shoot RAW. I will do anything to make a good image. I use Mup. I use a shutter release. I use a good tripod. I use good tripod heads. I use speedlites, strobes and modifiers.


Hmmmmm, I think I see what I'm NOT doing right!!!! :lol: :lol:
SS

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Oct 6, 2015 06:11:16   #
jerryc41 Loc: Catskill Mts of NY
 
Chuck_893 wrote:
Do you think chimping is “unprofessional,” that “real” photographers don’t do it and laugh at those that do?

The LCD is there for two purposes, and examining the shot you just took is one of them. That relatively tiny screen is not going to give you the same view as a 27" monitor, but it's better than nothing. I use the LCD to get a quick idea of how the exposure looks, and sometimes I use it to check the focus. The histogram can be useful, too. If I'm doing a lot of shooting in one area, I'll turn off the LCD because I find it distracting, and it uses battery power.

Professional photographers use the LCD, but not continually, and many people spend so much time looking at each shot and "chimping" that you would think they were watching TV. That's what so wonderful about the United States; nowhere in the Constitutional is there any restriction of our right to use the LCD as we see fit.

EDIT: By the way, Nat Geo photographer Joel Sartori said that "chimping" refers to the action of a chimp going, "Ooh! Ooh!" Some people may do that, but not usually not professional photographers.

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Oct 6, 2015 06:12:25   #
GENorkus Loc: Washington Twp, Michigan
 
1. If you care about photography you'd better! (Ref. to chimping.)

2. How many times has something changed without your knowledge?

3. How can you perfect a series of photography without chimping? (Time permitting.)

4. If you want to speedup post processing, yes!

5. Ever truly work with a client?

6. Have you ever cared about a subject?

7. Is suppose no one has ever taken a picture of a "blink"?

8. Ever have an unwanted photo-bomber?

9. How many studio shooters use a meter? Even for outside studios.

10. If you want to be creative, yes!

etc. etc. etc.
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When possible the bottom line is yes! Using the OP's definition, the only person who doesn't chimp to a degree, is a fool.

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Oct 6, 2015 06:22:30   #
Mark7829 Loc: Calfornia
 
I love it. What is a real photographer? If you think that looking at your image on the LCD violates ethical principals then real photographers would have problems with using exposure compensation, or a narrow DOF to create bokeh. Or even using a flash because that would be adding light where no light existed. I am sure they would have issues with filters and alike because that would be an artificial enhancement. Perhaps using a tripod or a light meter would be considered unethical because it is artificial assistance. These real photographers need to just throw their sophisticated and electronic cameras away and take up drawing using slate as paper and rocks as pencils. Wait, isn't that what neanderthals used? Sounds like someone is de-evolving.

BTW, i use everything and anything that will help me get a great capture.

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Oct 6, 2015 06:23:48   #
Crwiwy Loc: Devon UK
 
My understanding is that the term 'Chimping' came from those who - after taking a picture - looked at the screen and made noises like a Chimp.

It is better to chimp than to get home and find something wrong. It is easy to forget to reset things, forget to switch back to auto focus or to forget to switch focus points back from spot to your normal setting. It would be useful if manufacturers would put a button on the back of the camera for a quick reset to favourite settings.

I use Live view for close ups on a tripod when I cannot get my eye to the viewfinder - but I cannot get used to seeing people with an expensive DSLR and holding it at arms length while using the Live view.

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Oct 6, 2015 07:02:58   #
MontanaTrace
 
Crwiwy wrote:
My understanding is that the term 'Chimping' came from those who - after taking a picture - looked at the screen and made noises like a Chimp.

It is better to chimp than to get home and find something wrong. It is easy to forget to reset things, forget to switch back to auto focus or to forget to switch focus points back from spot to your normal setting. It would be useful if manufacturers would put a button on the back of the camera for a quick reset to favourite settings.

I use Live view for close ups on a tripod when I cannot get my eye to the viewfinder - but I cannot get used to seeing people with an expensive DSLR and holding it at arms length while using the Live view.
My understanding is that the term 'Chimping' came ... (show quote)


I wanna know..

I look to see if the photo is any good
I look to see if the photo is any good...

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Oct 6, 2015 07:15:37   #
rmalarz Loc: Tempe, Arizona
 
Chuck_893 wrote:
Do you think chimping is “unprofessional,” that “real” photographers don’t do it and laugh at those that do? (I did a search and there seems not have been much discussion about this on the 'Hog.)

For the uninitiated, “chimping” is generally defined as the act of checking a just-taken picture on the LCD screen of your camera. The origin and etymology of the term is not clear, but it’s generally taken as pejorative inasmuch as it implies that one or more persons are gazing stupidly at your screen and making chimp noises, as in “Oooo oooo oooo…”

Pejorative or not, chimping is simply checking your image on the LCD. It is argued (especially by street and event photographers) that if you do it after every single shot you are missing other shots, and I cannot argue with that. But it’s often implied, if not outright stated, that ”REAL” photographers simply do not chimp!” “REAL” photographers came up in film and had bloody better know what they’re doing because chimping is impossible with a film camera. That is also true.

Full disclosure: I chimp. I am not ashamed of it. I consider it just another tool, available to digital photographers. I love it. I came up in film. I know what I’m doing. But when in the studio I often used Polaroid backs in my view cameras to insure that I had the lighting and exposure right. That’s chimping, is it not? I did not know a single studio pro who didn’t do that at least some of the time.

I don't chimp every shot. We go places and do things. We spend a lot of $$$ to get there. I may not ever get back. Getting the picture right the first time is important. I chimp to check exposure and composition, and above all sharpness! I love that I can do that. I don’t do it after every shot, but sometimes I’ll sit in the shade and review shots. I don’t scratch or make chimp or monkey noises. :lol:

More full disclosure: I use compact cameras that are always in live view. I take full advantage of that. My Nikon P7800 has an electronic viewfinder that I usually have showing everything: histogram, level, and briefly, right after exposure, a freeze-frame of what it got. That’s sort of full-time chimping I guess, and I’m not sure any or all DSLR’s can do it (mirrorless may be able to). But I’m getting instant feedback with my eye to the finder and I think that’s wonderful! I still double-check at some point, mostly to insure sharpness. I will sometimes switch to the “blinkies” view, mostly because I hate blown highlights. Checking every shot is probably overkill, but why not use every tool you have?

Well, I never know when to shut up… :D So what do you think? Is “chimping” unprofessional, and do you care? (‘Cuz I don’t.) :mrgreen: :lol:
Do you think chimping is “unprofessional,” that “r... (show quote)


Personally, I chimp so rarely it's almost an I don't answer. I know my equipment. I know what I'm going to get when I press the shutter. Also, my exposure technique renders a chimp image that is almost unusable.
--Bob

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Oct 6, 2015 07:30:06   #
billnikon Loc: Pennsylvania/Ohio/Florida/Maui/Oregon/Vermont
 
Chuck_893 wrote:
Do you think chimping is “unprofessional,” that “real” photographers don’t do it and laugh at those that do? (I did a search and there seems not have been much discussion about this on the 'Hog.)

For the uninitiated, “chimping” is generally defined as the act of checking a just-taken picture on the LCD screen of your camera. The origin and etymology of the term is not clear, but it’s generally taken as pejorative inasmuch as it implies that one or more persons are gazing stupidly at your screen and making chimp noises, as in “Oooo oooo oooo…”



Pejorative or not, chimping is simply checking your image on the LCD. It is argued (especially by street and event photographers) that if you do it after every single shot you are missing other shots, and I cannot argue with that. But it’s often implied, if not outright stated, that ”REAL” photographers simply do not chimp!” “REAL” photographers came up in film and had bloody better know what they’re doing because chimping is impossible with a film camera. That is also true.

Full disclosure: I chimp. I am not ashamed of it. I consider it just another tool, available to digital photographers. I love it. I came up in film. I know what I’m doing. But when in the studio I often used Polaroid backs in my view cameras to insure that I had the lighting and exposure right. That’s chimping, is it not? I did not know a single studio pro who didn’t do that at least some of the time.

I don't chimp every shot. We go places and do things. We spend a lot of $$$ to get there. I may not ever get back. Getting the picture right the first time is important. I chimp to check exposure and composition, and above all sharpness! I love that I can do that. I don’t do it after every shot, but sometimes I’ll sit in the shade and review shots. I don’t scratch or make chimp or monkey noises. :lol:

More full disclosure: I use compact cameras that are always in live view. I take full advantage of that. My Nikon P7800 has an electronic viewfinder that I usually have showing everything: histogram, level, and briefly, right after exposure, a freeze-frame of what it got. That’s sort of full-time chimping I guess, and I’m not sure any or all DSLR’s can do it (mirrorless may be able to). But I’m getting instant feedback with my eye to the finder and I think that’s wonderful! I still double-check at some point, mostly to insure sharpness. I will sometimes switch to the “blinkies” view, mostly because I hate blown highlights. Checking every shot is probably overkill, but why not use every tool you have?

Well, I never know when to shut up… :D So what do you think? Is “chimping” unprofessional, and do you care? (‘Cuz I don’t.) :mrgreen: :lol:
Do you think chimping is “unprofessional,” that “r... (show quote)


Ever look at the professionals photographers along the sidelines of an NFL game when they are actually taking pictures of the game and not the cheerleaders? They chimp after every play sequence, why, because if they don't, they will actually have thousands of frames to view afterwards.
I shoot manual all the time, if I am not using my Sony's, which show you the exposure before the shot on manual, I check every exposure until I am "on" for the lighting of a particular situation.

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Oct 6, 2015 07:40:56   #
MTG44 Loc: Corryton, Tennessee
 
Why not if it helps make you better.

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