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Apr 7, 2012 19:32:22 #

wlgoode Loc: Globe, AZ

pjreed wrote:

quote=HEART quote=pjreed It doesn't matter what ... (show quote)

Is this thread a discussion or a history-cum-philosophy class?

Apr 7, 2012 19:43:26 #

rfbccb Loc: Central Mississippi

wlgoode wrote:

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I have no idea. It started out about the school not allowing the word God in Lee Greenwoods "Proud to be an American". Fox as well as other networks reported on this. As always it was stated, Fox Was not telling the truth. So from there it had been turned everyway but loose.

Apr 7, 2012 20:02:22 #

wlgoode Loc: Globe, AZ

rfbccb wrote:

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I know that some will raise hell about this. I think that's right, I don't think any truth is told on that disgusting hateful network.

Apr 7, 2012 20:12:39 #

rfbccb Loc: Central Mississippi

wlgoode wrote:

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Thats why I love America, you have the right to believe what you want and I also have that right. There is nothing wrong with disagreeing its just the way it is done sometimes. God Bless America.

Apr 7, 2012 20:45:25 #

wlgoode Loc: Globe, AZ

rfbccb wrote:

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Yeah and this forum is democratic. A special interest art forum that has a chit-chat thread that we can talk about anything. We can rant and some may disagree but they won't call you names or tell you to shut up. We need 535 members of congress to join a forum like this. Think of the possibilities- a web forum where Senators and Congressmen can air their differences, although the public could not join in, they could watch the entries in real time. At the end of the day, the site could solicit public comment, it could work!

Apr 7, 2012 20:58:49 #

rfbccb Loc: Central Mississippi

wlgoode wrote:

rfbccb wrote:

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Yeah and this forum is democratic. A special interest art forum that has a chit-chat thread that we can talk about anything. We can rant and some may disagree but they won't call you names or tell you to shut up. We need 535 members of congress to join a forum like this. Think of the possibilities- a web forum where Senators and Congressmen can air their differences, although the public could not join in, they could watch the entries in real time. At the end of the day, the site could solicit public comment, it could work!

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Let me know if you figure out a way to do that, I would be for it. Have a good night.

Apr 11, 2012 05:11:06 #

Sunrisepano Loc: West Sub of Chicago

This country was founded by a group of people of various religious backgrounds. They knew, to make this country strong, there had to be freedom OF religion by using the clause "separation of church and state." Now, we are letting our country get torn down to a freedom FROM religion by a misinterpretaion of that same clause. Let's keep God in this country, and I don't care if you go to a church, a synagogue or a mosque; I don't care if you believe you should "sit-stand-sit" or "sit-kneel-sit" or any other ritual of worship. Just worship.

Let God back into our schools and our courtrooms and watch this country restrengthen.

Apr 11, 2012 12:03:15 #

Pepper Loc: Planet Earth Country USA

Sunrisepano wrote:

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Could you direct me to the phrase "separation from church and state" please, just where exactly does that phrase come from?

Apr 11, 2012 12:40:35 #

derekmadge Loc: Waterloo, Ontario,Canada

Pepper wrote:

Could you direct me to the phrase "separation from church and state" please, just where exactly does that phrase come from?

http://www.adl.org/issue_religious_freedom/separation_cs_primer.asp

Political correctness began as an attempt to do the right thing, regardless of what the mainstream though- the mainstream sometimes being neither informed or right. But as we all know, it became corrupt itself; being "correct", engendering its own kind of power.

But I don't worry much- most of the time, someone is willing to stand up and say "Look! The Emperor has no clothes!". And that did happen in this case- the school backed off.

Apr 11, 2012 12:45:25 #

johnr9999 Loc: Carlton, OR

There is an old aphorism (sorry, I can't remember the attribution) that states "that those who don't learn from history are doomed to repeat it". This country was founded by people fleeing the English mandate of one sect of the Christian faith only and no others. Quakers, Catholics and others fled here to practice their brand of Christianity in peace. Freedom of religion originally referred, originally to the Christian faith. It is good to extend it to other belief systems, but don't forget where it came from and who guaranteed it.

Apr 11, 2012 12:55:01 #

Pepper Loc: Planet Earth Country USA

The first amendment prohibits the government from establishing a specific church or religion as the established religion. It does NOT imply a separation of church and state. It is there to protect our right to choose our religion not to kick religion out of the government or society. Read it.

Apr 11, 2012 13:12:25 #

JimH Loc: Western South Jersey, USA

johnr9999 wrote:

There is an old aphorism (sorry, I can't remember the attribution) that states "that those who don't learn from history are doomed to repeat it".

George Santayana, philospher. Born Madrid, raised and lived in US, died Rome, Italy.

Re: First amendment, separation, etc etc etc.

"Congress shall make no law respecting the establishment of religion, nor prohibiting the free exercise thereof."

What that means, simply, is that the Federal Government can NOT align itself with ANY religion, good, bad or indifferent. And, I hate to break it to you, but using the word GOD in official documents, signs, seals, coins, oaths, and so on RESPECTS the ESTABLISHMENT of a religion. We all know that when you say "GOD", you speak of a Christian deity.

How would you good Christians feel if we added "In Allah We Trust" to all our coins? Or sang, "Buddha bless the USA!", or "Shiva and Vishnu Bless America" ???

The inclusion of the word "GOD" in official government stuff implies support of the Christian religion, to the exclusion of all others. That's simply not right.

Apr 11, 2012 13:24:24 #

rfbccb Loc: Central Mississippi

Here we go again.

Apr 11, 2012 13:33:13 #

Pepper Loc: Planet Earth Country USA

What a crock! The government is not establishing nor has not established any law that dictates anyone participate in the Christian faith and thats what the first amendment is there to prohibit. For us to put In God We Trust on our coins is not binding anyone to any faith system.

Apr 11, 2012 14:51:33 #

wlgoode Loc: Globe, AZ

Pepper wrote:

The first amendment prohibits the government from establishing a specific church or religion as the established religion. It does NOT imply a separation of church and state. It is there to protect our right to choose our religion not to kick religion out of the government or society. Read it.

It appears however that there is a theological faction of the right wing that wants to dictate our beliefs. I also think that these ideologies stem from wanting others to confirm your beliefs thinking like if everyone believes it then it must be true.

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