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Aug 22, 2015 22:48:22   #
pfrancke Loc: cold Maine
 
SonnyE wrote:
A scientist who has spent his lifetime seeking the center....
I listened intently when I heard him speak. Dr. Hugh Ross.


Sonny, thank you for sharing that name. I will read up on him. Sounds like a fascinating story that one should know!

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Aug 22, 2015 22:52:38   #
pfrancke Loc: cold Maine
 
CraigFair wrote:
Hi pfrancke, back to your shots and the processing I took a try at it myself.
I processed it in Lightroom brought up some 'exoposure' and 'Black' down. The 'Dehaze' up and put in some 'Noise Reduction'. It still has some noise. Sorry I don't have Star Tools to round out the stars it's a wonderful App.


Hi Craig, Thank you for the detailed description. I have also since noticed the tutorial on how to get nicer looking images when the sky is polluted with light. The healing/blurring thing.

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Aug 22, 2015 23:14:04   #
JimH123 Loc: Morgan Hill, CA
 
pfrancke wrote:
One would think that it is silly to try to photograph something that someone else (Hubble perhaps?) has already done over and over and so much better. Yet for some reason, I find it extremely satisfying. Like the stars I captured here, I need to find them and compare as you are saying and know what I am looking at - and strange how that is satisfying in a way that just looking at the best pictures already taken does not provide. Some kind of connection thing I guess..


Yes, that is a very correct observation. I get less satisfaction at looking at something a big telescope has captured and more satisfaction looking at something I have done.

But to but this in better perspective, the camera you are using has the ability to see things that the professionals in the early telescope days could not capture. The sensitivity of the digital camera is phenomenal. And I think what efforts they went to, to cool the film and then to push it during processing to get results that weren't as good as digital gives you today by just selecting a higher ISO.

I wonder what Sony's next low light monster, the A7Sii will do next? The current model can do 406K ISO. What happens when Sony incorporates BSI sensor technology into the next generation A7S camera?

It might be possible to identify your star in your image. Can you remember in what direction you pointed your camera during that stacking exercise? And what Focal Length was the lens and was it a crop or full sensor? And if you can identify about what elevation you were aiming? For example: 10PM on such and such date, shooting at about 100 degrees from true north going clockwise from North, and at an angle of 45 degrees from the horizon. And from what area of the country?

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Aug 23, 2015 10:37:44   #
Bloke Loc: Waynesboro, Pennsylvania
 
pfrancke wrote:
One would think that it is silly to try to photograph something that someone else (Hubble perhaps?) has already done over and over and so much better. Yet for some reason, I find it extremely satisfying. Like the stars I captured here, I need to find them and compare as you are saying and know what I am looking at - and strange how that is satisfying in a way that just looking at the best pictures already taken does not provide. Some kind of connection thing I guess..


I remember looking through my first telescope... What they mockingly call a "department-store scope". This was something like 45 years ago... It had an aperture of maybe 2 inches at most, and powers of 15x, 30x and 45x. The tripod was total crap, and wobbled all over the place.
Looking through my bedroom window, I looked at Saturn, and I was mesmerized! The image was *far* worse than anything I have ever seen posted on here, and of course, nowhere near as good as stuff printed constantly in Astronomy magazine. The thing was, though, it was *real*... I was actually seeing the rings myself, in real life, and I don't think I ever got over that sensation!
I was also able to make out Jupiter's 4 main moons.

I think those 2 sights were what captured my lifelong attention. We have equipment readily available now which most people would have killed for back then, of course, but I don't think it is the standard of the equipment which matters. I think there is a deep atavistic connection to 'the universe out there', and to this day, it blows my mind!

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Aug 23, 2015 11:35:27   #
SonnyE Loc: Communist California, USA
 
pfrancke wrote:
Sonny, thank you for sharing that name. I will read up on him. Sounds like a fascinating story that one should know!


Science collided with Creation.

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Aug 23, 2015 12:26:00   #
SonnyE Loc: Communist California, USA
 
pfrancke wrote:
One would think that it is silly to try to photograph something that someone else (Hubble perhaps?) has already done over and over and so much better. Yet for some reason, I find it extremely satisfying. Like the stars I captured here, I need to find them and compare as you are saying and know what I am looking at - and strange how that is satisfying in a way that just looking at the best pictures already taken does not provide. Some kind of connection thing I guess..


Absolutely.
That was one enormous hurtle for me to ponder long and hard.
Jumping into yet another facet of Photography, and the time and patience it requires to actually image that which cannot be seen unaided, was a major stumbling block for me.

But, to see the universe live, :shock:
and to draw in the unfathomable to capture it in our choice of camera's... Or more importantly, to share our findings with others... Here, have a look.... ;)

It's like being at a Performance VS: Being on your couch listening to your speakers.

Going somewhere VS: Seeing it on TV. Sure the view is probably better on TV, or your computer screen.
But you will miss feeling the mists of Niagra Falls if you don't go there. You cannot drink from an Alpine Stream in your recliner.

To me, it was where I connected. A leap of Faith to see all the Universe has to offer, right from my own back yard. Or out and about.
And, I think it is worth losing sleep over. ;)

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Aug 23, 2015 17:07:07   #
CraigFair Loc: Santa Maria, CA.
 
SonnyE wrote:
You could though, Craig. :twisted:

http://www.startools.org/

Thanks Sonny got it and am totally baffled, I guess I need to work with the Original file???
But it won't process RAW files so what's the solution. 'Save As' JPEG or shoot JPEG.
And how do you make stars round in the program???
Craig

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Aug 23, 2015 17:52:11   #
JimH123 Loc: Morgan Hill, CA
 
CraigFair wrote:
Thanks Sonny got it and am totally baffled, I guess I need to work with the Original file???
But it won't process RAW files so what's the solution. 'Save As' JPEG or shoot JPEG.
And how do you make stars round in the program???
Craig


StarTools will work with TIFF files and that is what I do. The JPG lose too much information.

This is a program that demands all the processing power you can give it. My PC is 3.6GHz with 8 cores and it wants even more.

There is a lot this program can do and it makes sense to watch tutorials on the internet. I am still just crawling when it comes to what this program can do. And I am only working on stars so far. It can do nebula and galaxies too. But until I am comfortable with stars, those will have to wait.

Focus Magic will also work with star trails but is limited to star trails of about 20 pixels. I tried doing a two step approach, and saved after 20 pixels, and then reopened to try some more. The results looked terrible so gave up on that idea.

I am also letting DSS compress 4 pixels to 1 and it does wonders for the noise. My 24M pixel image becomes 6M pixel, but the stars don't seem to suffer for it.

There is a more expensive SW package to work on stars, forget what its called, I don't have it, but it was more expensive than I wanted to go.

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Aug 23, 2015 18:23:44   #
CraigFair Loc: Santa Maria, CA.
 
JimH123 wrote:
StarTools will work with TIFF files and that is what I do. The JPG lose too much information.

This is a program that demands all the processing power you can give it. My PC is 3.6GHz with 8 cores and it wants even more.

There is a lot this program can do and it makes sense to watch tutorials on the internet. I am still just crawling when it comes to what this program can do. And I am only working on stars so far. It can do nebula and galaxies too. But until I am comfortable with stars, those will have to wait.

Focus Magic will also work with star trails but is limited to star trails of about 20 pixels. I tried doing a two step approach, and saved after 20 pixels, and then reopened to try some more. The results looked terrible so gave up on that idea.

I am also letting DSS compress 4 pixels to 1 and it does wonders for the noise. My 24M pixel image becomes 6M pixel, but the stars don't seem to suffer for it.

There is a more expensive SW package to work on stars, forget what its called, I don't have it, but it was more expensive than I wanted to go.
StarTools will work with TIFF files and that is wh... (show quote)


Thanks Jim H. Some how I'll figure which button works to come up with round stars.
So far I've just made big messes out of it.
I'll save my Exports in TIFF and work with that.
Craig

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Aug 23, 2015 19:31:19   #
Albuqshutterbug Loc: Albuquerque NM
 
SonnyE wrote:
:lol: :lol: :lol:

It was actually cooler than being at home. :shock:
Temperature in Joshua Tree NP was ~ 95 F; and breezy, which helped.
Came home to 100 + with humidity. :P
Not to mention the light pollution.... :-(

Oh, but it's a dry heat! (In the desert)
The desert has a stark beauty of its own. ;)


Where you trying to get the dragonfly in the shot or just an errant bonus? Nice shots.

I always ask people what the big brown sticks with green stuff on them are. High desert here looks pretty much like this.
Only when you get into populated areas or mountains does the color change.

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Aug 23, 2015 20:33:09   #
pfrancke Loc: cold Maine
 
Bloke wrote:
I remember looking through my first telescope... What they mockingly call a "department-store scope". This was something like 45 years ago... It had an aperture of maybe 2 inches at most, and powers of 15x, 30x and 45x. The tripod was total crap, and wobbled all over the place.
Looking through my bedroom window, I looked at Saturn, and I was mesmerized! The image was *far* worse than anything I have ever seen posted on here, and of course, nowhere near as good as stuff printed constantly in Astronomy magazine. The thing was, though, it was *real*... I was actually seeing the rings myself, in real life, and I don't think I ever got over that sensation!
I was also able to make out Jupiter's 4 main moons.

I think those 2 sights were what captured my lifelong attention. We have equipment readily available now which most people would have killed for back then, of course, but I don't think it is the standard of the equipment which matters. I think there is a deep atavistic connection to 'the universe out there', and to this day, it blows my mind!
I remember looking through my first telescope... ... (show quote)


Yeah, the things we can do today are just amazing. We can't just sit on our butts, got to keep active and taking advantage of the things we can.

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Aug 23, 2015 20:34:06   #
pfrancke Loc: cold Maine
 
Albuqshutterbug wrote:
Where you trying to get the dragonfly in the shot or just an errant bonus? Nice shots.

I always ask people what the big brown sticks with green stuff on them are. High desert here looks pretty much like this.
Only when you get into populated areas or mountains does the color change.


Ah man, that new avatar rocks!!!!

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Aug 23, 2015 20:35:18   #
pfrancke Loc: cold Maine
 
CraigFair wrote:
Thanks Jim H. Some how I'll figure which button works to come up with round stars.
So far I've just made big messes out of it.
I'll save my Exports in TIFF and work with that.
Craig


LOL -- truthfully, I like a little dash in the stars. They move like hell! And it shows.

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Aug 23, 2015 20:36:19   #
pfrancke Loc: cold Maine
 
SonnyE wrote:
Absolutely.
That was one enormous hurtle for me to ponder long and hard.
Jumping into yet another facet of Photography, and the time and patience it requires to actually image that which cannot be seen unaided, was a major stumbling block for me.

But, to see the universe live, :shock:
and to draw in the unfathomable to capture it in our choice of camera's... Or more importantly, to share our findings with others... Here, have a look.... ;)

It's like being at a Performance VS: Being on your couch listening to your speakers.

Going somewhere VS: Seeing it on TV. Sure the view is probably better on TV, or your computer screen.
But you will miss feeling the mists of Niagra Falls if you don't go there. You cannot drink from an Alpine Stream in your recliner.

To me, it was where I connected. A leap of Faith to see all the Universe has to offer, right from my own back yard. Or out and about.
And, I think it is worth losing sleep over. ;)
Absolutely. br That was one enormous hurtle for me... (show quote)


I like your reasoning. Much truth here.

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Aug 23, 2015 23:41:08   #
SonnyE Loc: Communist California, USA
 
Albuqshutterbug wrote:
Where you trying to get the dragonfly in the shot or just an errant bonus? Nice shots.

I always ask people what the big brown sticks with green stuff on them are. High desert here looks pretty much like this.
Only when you get into populated areas or mountains does the color change.


That was actually just dumb luck.

It was odd to see the dragon flies out there. Unexpected.

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