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Aug 3, 2015 10:42:57   #
streetmarty Loc: Brockton, Ma
 
Beercat wrote:
Another trick when you want to use a shallow DOF is to double your distance from the subject which increases you DOF big time. Then when doing you PP you crop in giving away 50% of your resolution. People often forget unless your planning on printing a 24X30 picture you don't need 20MB or more, giving up half still allows you to print nice stuff and of course for the internet is doesn't matter.

Picture taken at 3.5 feet at f/11 on a 85mm 1.8 which is considered a portrait lens. F/11 is still in the sweet spot on this lens, nice and sharp. Then I cropped the snot out of it in PP .............. you get the idea.

BTW, the flowers in the background were 6 - 8 inches away, you've got to love the 85mm 1.8, not a macro but it pulled off the task just fine because it's just so darn sharp in it's sweet spot.
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Great stuff here! Thank you this is very helpful and appreciated. :thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup:

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Aug 3, 2015 10:43:25   #
BobHartung Loc: Bettendorf, IA
 
streetmarty wrote:
In my new quest to go from street photographer to grand-daughter photographer I'm about to throw in the towel. I did the research on the Nikon 50mm 1.8 and 1.4 on our site and on Google etc. The main concern was, is the 1.4 worth an extra two hundred bucks. Most said not really but I also read a few articles that said yes. My thought was I wanted to take a lot of natural light shots of a baby so why not get all the light I can? After about a few hundred pictures out of focus to my eye, which means 99% of the viewing world say, oh what a great picture, the 1%, you and I, say, hey that's out of focus! So after re-reading the manual and trying every possible combination humanly possible and getting nowhere I came across "focus shift and spherical aberration". Well there's some information I could have used earlier! OK so I get it now, I think, the lens is weak wide open. Very frustrating process. I just want to be able to take a picture from two feet away and have both eyes in focus without having to go back to college. Now the question becomes when if ever will I shoot wide open, knowing in the back of my mind there will probably be issues? Attached are two pictures, both taken on a tripod with Nikon D610 for your analysis. Photo #1 1.4 ISO 220 #2 5.6 ISO 2800. Thank you for any and all input. Marty
In my new quest to go from street photographer to ... (show quote)


I'm not sure of your distance to the subject, but the 50 mm open to f/1.4 has a DOF of 1.9" at 4 feet and a DOF of 1' at 10' distance. At 25' the DOF increases to 6' 6.4".

Need to use a single focusing point and expect rapid fall off of sharpness. Alternative is to change f-stop.

See this mistake all the time.

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Aug 3, 2015 10:44:26   #
streetmarty Loc: Brockton, Ma
 
jr168 wrote:
With a 50mm on full frame at f/1.4 from two feet away, your depth of field is less than 1/2 of an inch. I would think you would have to shoot that on a macro rail on a tripod to get the shot. As you move farther away, your DOF will increase. You really want to make sure you are in continuos single point focus and not on any of the auto or dynamic focus modes to ensure you have control on where you are focusing. It is definitely has a learning curve, but it is a great lens once you understand it. Don't give up yet.
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Aug 3, 2015 10:45:12   #
streetmarty Loc: Brockton, Ma
 
jr168 wrote:
With a 50mm on full frame at f/1.4 from two feet away, your depth of field is less than 1/2 of an inch. I would think you would have to shoot that on a macro rail on a tripod to get the shot. As you move farther away, your DOF will increase. You really want to make sure you are in continuos single point focus and not on any of the auto or dynamic focus modes to ensure you have control on where you are focusing. It is definitely has a learning curve, but it is a great lens once you understand it. Don't give up yet.
With a 50mm on full frame at f/1.4 from two feet a... (show quote)


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Aug 3, 2015 10:52:43   #
streetmarty Loc: Brockton, Ma
 
BobHartung wrote:
I'm not sure of your distance to the subject, but the 50 mm open to f/1.4 has a DOF of 1.9" at 4 feet and a DOF of 1' at 10' distance. At 25' the DOF increases to 6' 6.4".

Need to use a single focusing point and expect rapid fall off of sharpness. Alternative is to change f-stop.

See this mistake all the time.


More good stuff here, thank you! :thumbup: :thumbup:

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Aug 3, 2015 11:02:05   #
BobHartung Loc: Bettendorf, IA
 
BobHartung wrote:
I'm not sure of your distance to the subject, but the 50 mm open to f/1.4 has a DOF of 1.9" at 4 feet and a DOF of 1' at 10' distance. At 25' the DOF increases to 6' 6.4".

Need to use a single focusing point and expect rapid fall off of sharpness. Alternative is to change f-stop.

See this mistake all the time.


If you use a smart phone, consider investing a couple of bucks, literally, in a program called "Simple DOF". It lets you chose camera, lens focal length and distance to subject and gives you a simple graphical display of focal zone depth. I think it is the most intuitive of the Depth Of Field apps that I have seen.

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Aug 3, 2015 11:03:44   #
streetmarty Loc: Brockton, Ma
 
BobHartung wrote:
If you use a smart phone, consider investing a couple of bucks, literally, in a program called "Simple DOF". It lets you chose camera, lens focal length and distance to subject and gives you a simple graphical display of focal zone depth. I think it is the most intuitive of the Depth Of Field apps that I have seen.


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Aug 3, 2015 11:48:28   #
cjc2 Loc: Hellertown PA
 
To me, you're delving into the issue of style here. When I shoot a portrait, it is most often wide open unless there is a compelling (to me) reason to do otherwise. I like to use the bokeh of the lens to help me produce my style of shooting. In choosing this method, I realize that there is a very narrow depth-of-field and I try to take this into account in my posing, angle of shooting and lighting. Personally, I like this method, you may not!

For portraits, I most often use my 85/1.4G but other lenses as well depending on what I have available at the time. In general, I shoot wide open as it's just my style and preferred way. When the need arises, I can and do stop down, but that is usually to shoot an object like a firetruck, or something that needs to be in focus and is at a range of distances from the lens. Upon occasion, I do use the philosophy of "f8 and be there!" which works well when the time is right. Best of luck. In my opinion, there is no one "right" answer to this question!

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Aug 3, 2015 11:50:32   #
streetmarty Loc: Brockton, Ma
 
cjc2 wrote:
To me, you're delving into the issue of style here. When I shoot a portrait, it is most often wide open unless there is a compelling (to me) reason to do otherwise. I like to use the bokeh of the lens to help me produce my style of shooting. In choosing this method, I realize that there is a very narrow depth-of-field and I try to take this into account in my posing, angle of shooting and lighting. Personally, I like this method, you may not!

For portraits, I most often use my 85/1.4G but other lenses as well depending on what I have available at the time. In general, I shoot wide open as it's just my style and preferred way. When the need arises, I can and do stop down, but that is usually to shoot an object like a firetruck, or something that needs to be in focus and is at a range of distances from the lens. Upon occasion, I do use the philosophy of "f8 and be there!" which works well when the time is right. Best of luck. In my opinion, there is no one "right" answer to this question!
To me, you're delving into the issue of style here... (show quote)


Thank you for the help, and again I guess I'm buying the 85. :thumbup:

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Aug 3, 2015 12:16:13   #
jimmya Loc: Phoenix
 
streetmarty wrote:
In my new quest to go from street photographer to grand-daughter photographer I'm about to throw in the towel. I did the research on the Nikon 50mm 1.8 and 1.4 on our site and on Google etc. The main concern was, is the 1.4 worth an extra two hundred bucks. Most said not really but I also read a few articles that said yes. My thought was I wanted to take a lot of natural light shots of a baby so why not get all the light I can? After about a few hundred pictures out of focus to my eye, which means 99% of the viewing world say, oh what a great picture, the 1%, you and I, say, hey that's out of focus! So after re-reading the manual and trying every possible combination humanly possible and getting nowhere I came across "focus shift and spherical aberration". Well there's some information I could have used earlier! OK so I get it now, I think, the lens is weak wide open. Very frustrating process. I just want to be able to take a picture from two feet away and have both eyes in focus without having to go back to college. Now the question becomes when if ever will I shoot wide open, knowing in the back of my mind there will probably be issues? Attached are two pictures, both taken on a tripod with Nikon D610 for your analysis. Photo #1 1.4 ISO 220 #2 5.6 ISO 2800. Thank you for any and all input. Marty
In my new quest to go from street photographer to ... (show quote)


I've done quite a bit of stuff with my Canon 50/1.8 wide open in house under window light. One thing to remember doing these kinds of shots. The DOF at that aperture is extremely short so getting both eyes in focus, if the subjects face is turned at all, won't happen. Almost any distance change will show as out of focus - even slightly.
Frustrating I know but that's the way it is.

As far as I know the Nikon version of the 50 is a good lens just as my Canon is. Mine is tack sharp and very accurate.
But don't forget the DOF.

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Aug 3, 2015 12:18:21   #
streetmarty Loc: Brockton, Ma
 
jimmya wrote:
I've done quite a bit of stuff with my Canon 50/1.8 wide open in house under window light. One thing to remember doing these kinds of shots. The DOF at that aperture is extremely short so getting both eyes in focus, if the subjects face is turned at all, won't happen. Almost any distance change will show as out of focus - even slightly.
Frustrating I know but that's the way it is.

As far as I know the Nikon version of the 50 is a good lens just as my Canon is. Mine is tack sharp and very accurate.
But don't forget the DOF.
I've done quite a bit of stuff with my Canon 50/1.... (show quote)


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Aug 3, 2015 12:27:34   #
cjc2 Loc: Hellertown PA
 
streetmarty wrote:
Thank you for the help, and again I guess I'm buying the 85. :thumbup:


The 85/1.4G is a super fantastic lens, but costly. In my opinion, it's actually difficult to take a bad portrait with it! That being said, there is no issue with stopping down a bit to get all of a baby, who do tend to move around a bit, in focus. Again, it's all about style, which you will develop as you continue shooting. Just enjoy what you are doing and have fun! (And, there is nothing wrong with expanding your collection of glass either!)

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Aug 3, 2015 12:42:54   #
streetmarty Loc: Brockton, Ma
 
cjc2 wrote:
The 85/1.4G is a super fantastic lens, but costly. In my opinion, it's actually difficult to take a bad portrait with it! That being said, there is no issue with stopping down a bit to get all of a baby, who do tend to move around a bit, in focus. Again, it's all about style, which you will develop as you continue shooting. Just enjoy what you are doing and have fun! (And, there is nothing wrong with expanding your collection of glass either!)


Thank you. :thumbup:

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Aug 3, 2015 17:56:53   #
Bobspez Loc: Southern NJ, USA
 
Flowers. There's a photographer named Leady Gonzales on flickr.com who takes some amazing flower pics with a 58mm f1.2 lens at f2.8. By retaining color in the out of focus ares, they look like paintings. Here are some examples from his flickr photstream. His camera is a Canon EOS 5D Mark II
https://www.flickr.com/photos/rokkor_58mm_1k2/6200651223/sizes/o/

Here's one with a 50mm f1.2 lens at f1.2.
https://www.flickr.com/photos/rokkor_58mm_1k2/6269147879/sizes/o/

Bob

streetmarty wrote:
I did not know this. What would you shoot at 1.4, if anything? Thank you for the help.

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Aug 3, 2015 17:59:44   #
streetmarty Loc: Brockton, Ma
 
Bobspez wrote:
Flowers. There's a photographer named Leady Gonzales on flickr.com who takes some amazing flower pics with a 58mm f1.2 lens at f2.8. By retaining color in the out of focus ares, they look like paintings. Here are some examples from his flickr photstream. His camera is a Canon EOS 5D Mark II
https://www.flickr.com/photos/rokkor_58mm_1k2/6200651223/sizes/o/

Here's one with a 50mm f1.2 lens at f1.2.
https://www.flickr.com/photos/rokkor_58mm_1k2/6269147879/sizes/o/

Bob

Good stuff!
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