Nightski

I read this review.
http://www.dpreview.com/previews/canon-eos-5ds-sr

If you scroll down the specs are listed side by side. Now I have these questions in my mind.

What does 50.2MP vs 22.1MP really mean? It sounds amazing. Would I notice a clear difference in IQ?

The 5DS & 5DSR have a maximum ISO of 6400. The 5D III has a maximum ISO of 25,600. My 6D has a maximum ISO of 25,600. I have shot some decent shots at 6400. I have shot some crappy shots at 6400. I think it depends on the light you have when shooting at high ISO's. I think .. high ISO is not some kind of magic that lets you shoot in low light all the time. Here's my question. If the max ISO is 6400, does that mean that the acceptable ISO is much lower?

The other thing that is important to me is fps. I have been shooting alot of wildlife this past year. I have been frustrated a few times by the lag. The fps of the 5DIII is 6. The fps for the 6D is 4.5. Would I notice a difference? The 5DS & SR are only 5 fps.

All three of these cameras have a 61 point focus system 41 of which are cross type and 5 are double-cross type ... would this actually be more helpful than the fps in shooting bif?

BIF .. Wildlife is almost always seen at dusk and dawn. This means a high shutter speed in low light .. would the ISO really come into play here? Would that max of 6400 really limit me in these conditions? I never shoot over 6400 on my 6D because if it's that dark and I am forced to go higher, I know in my heart it's going to be the delete button for those shots when I get home.

Thanks in advance for any wisdom offered.

imagesintime Loc: small town, mid-America

None of the following is an absolute, just things to think about based Canon's and reviewer's comments.

Difference in IQ? See Peter Hurley compare the 5ds to his medium format cameras -

http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=peter+hurley+canon+5ds

From what I have read, if BIF and wildlife are your primary interests, the 5ds/r cameras are not for you. They were not designed with a primary function of capturing moving objects

The 5ds was designed to be primarily a studio camera used in controlled lighting and where there would be the possibility of moire.

The 5dsr was designed to be primarily a landscape/architectural camera where the chance of moire is minimized.

You might want to wait to see what the 5div brings to the scene. I am.

Nightski

Yes, I have watched the Peter Hurley review. I like the thought of waiting to see what the 5DIV brings .. I'm totally dreaming right now. But it's a good thing to hash all these things out for a while before you are ready for a new body.

Haydon

I concur with imagesintime. The 5ds/r is meant to be a studio/landscape camera where light isn’t nearly a crucial issue. What hasn’t been mentioned is this camera is said to be a TRIPOD only camera which really isn’t surprising considered the 50.6 megapixel resolution.

Nightski if you’re looking for static images of birds under controlled conditions this would definitely be a consideration but IMO BIF definitely not.

There is talk about a 12 fps 28 megapixel 5DIV coming out in the fall. I at first thought it to be preposterous believing it would step on 1Dx turf but this rumor continues to surface. I’d wait to see what happens but many feel including myself the best bet for birds is still a crop camera.

I have a link that you might interesting even though it's more Nikon based regarding new technology but it's applicable.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sqo9D1_rbIM

Chris F. Loc: San Francisco

Hi Sandra, all of your points are very valid. I really don't think the sacrifice in overall camera performance is worth the 50+ MP. My personal thought is to wait until the 5DIV comes out and see what this next camera packs. I love mine and have had all the 5D's in the series through the years. They are wonderful cameras but I'm always ready to see what's new. Hopefully it won't be long.

If the course of history repeats itself, the 6D revision would be out a few months after the 5D IV.

Chris

gym Loc: Athens, Georgia

I've also read that the 5dsr is primarily for landscapes, studio, etc. but I really don't think that assessment is giving this camera all that it's due. It's a camera and therefore can be used to photograph whatever you choose. I agree that other cameras with higher iso would be better choices for BIF, rapidly moving objects, and night time sports. BUT it has an upper iso of 6400 - and apparently that's a GOOD 6400 - with decent noise control. For the vast majority of my work, I rarely need anything over 6400, and the 50 megapixels would seem to be a macro photographer's dream, as well as wildlife if you have decent light. With a photo that large, it would also seem to offer a realistic 'extension' of your telephoto, because it can be cropped a lot heavier and still offer a decent image.

It's the cropping potential that I find most interesting. We'll have to wait and see.

Nightski

Yes Chris, I have had the same thoughts as you. 12 fps would be awesome, and I keep thinking about all those crosshair type focal points. From what I understand, you can set the camera so that it picks the best point for you? My 6D has 11 with one cross hair and sometimes I wish it had more. It has taught me to think and plan and be ready. If I did have a camera with 12fps, would my Sigma 150-500 be able to use what it has to offer .. that's another question. Do you have to have a $6k - $10K lens to take advantage of a camera like that?

One situation that I find myself in quite often is that I am shooting two flying swans or pelicans and I want to focus on the lead bird, but then with the cross hair focal point I have I end up cutting off half of the second bird. The other focal points just do not pick up fast moving action like that. And pelicans are pretty slow compared to ducks.

Nightski

I know .. there is that cropping factor. I had to laugh at your first thoughts, because those were mine as well. Here we have a 50MP camera with 5fps and as many focal points as the 5D III .. how bad could it be! LOL ... and I agree with you about the 6400 ... I never go above that. But I wondered if the 6400 on a camera that has a possibility of 25,000 is better than the 6400 on a camera with 6400 max.

SharpShooter Loc: NorCal

Nightski, I would not hesitate to shoot either nature or sports with that new camera. No matter what the design, a camera is a camera, you just need to learn how to best use it for that stuff. Sure all your points are valid, but no one camera will do it all. One really needs to have 2 or 3 cameras to shoot it all. Most off us can't do that, so we either pick the highest common denominator or we pick the one that is best for what we will shoot that's most important to us then just adapt for everything else.
I've shot a lot of nature and a ton of fast sports with my 5Dmkll and its the worst action camera on the planet, and I'm sure that new camera is twice as clean at the same iso's as my 5dll.
I've posted a lot of shots here on the Hog over the last few years and almost every shot I've ever posted was shot with the 5ll!
The most heavy duty I ever get with them is Lightroom and I feel they are pretty acceptable.
There is post after post here on the Hog and people are absolutely obsessed with noise and DR and 4:3 etc etc!
All that said, yes, Canon is calling it a studio, landscape camera. What I'm saying is I'm absolutely sure the new camera will shoot the pants right off my old 5ll, which I'm sure never cracked dxo's top 100 list, yet that crappy little camera produced at least 6 Best-of-Shows and nobody ever mentioned noise or DR or how crappy it shoots.
Nightski, maybe you're starting to shoot BIF's but you shoot a LOT of landscape. And the new 5 is like more than doubling the length of your longest lens if your into cropping. The focus system sounds like it has a lot of the 1Dx in it but just slower fps.
Keep what you have and get a 7ll for your birds or wait till the new 5lV comes out, it will obviously take what the lll has done and move it up a few notches, again giving it the most versatile-camera-made title.
If I had an extra $4K laying around, I would get the new 5 in a heartbeat. That thing would take my portraits and landscapes to a new level.
Nightski, if it's to noisy, just get a faster lens!! :lol:
SS

gym Loc: Athens, Georgia

I had the same question. But from all that I can read, there's nothing proportional about the quality. The video you referenced in your original post talked about noise and how favorably it compared with the 5d iii, in fact, I think the authors said it was a little better at comparable ISO. So if that's the case, it's a REALLY GOOD 6400.

gym Loc: Athens, Georgia

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lighthouse Loc: No Fixed Abode

Found this. Haven't watched it.
5DSR wildlife Northrup

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_o2OGTVEVB0

Haydon

I apologize for commenting ;) I remain unacknowleged

SharpShooter Loc: NorCal

Haydon, don't feel bad, maybe Nightski actually has a LIFE!! :lol: :lol:
She'll be back. I'm sure she'll give you a biscuit AND a pat!!! :lol:
SS

Nightski

I am so sorry Haydon .. you were the one that originally brought up the 5DIV and the 12 fps coming out in the fall. I did read about the 1DX too with it's 14fps, but it seems to fall short for the landscape photographers with 18MP. My 6D has 20 and the 5D III has 22 .... I wonder how much of a difference that makes?

That is my other thing ... I love to do landscape photography as well. Perhaps the 5DIV will have it all. :-D

Canon .. if you're listening .... We'd like 12fps, more MP's, those 61 focus points with the 44 crosshairs and gps. LOL

I think you are right about the 1DX and bird photography, Hayden.