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Apr 22, 2015 17:03:44   #
bkyser Loc: Fly over country in Indiana
 
wilsondl2 wrote:
As on old film guy let me point out a couple of things. 1 When color came in doing your own darkroom work (PP) went out. The most you could do was a little cropping using precut crop cards you could tape to the negative. (Medium format only) All those albums you see that were done with film have very little PP. Point is that photographers did albums with little PP for 40 years. 2 Where is it written in stone that you have to take 1000's of shots. In film days I used 35mm and my basic package was 60 pictures. (two 36 shot rolls of film) I usually took all 72 pictures and ended up given 70. Some of the shots were not so good for one reason or the other, I still let them have them. When I booked them I had a Picture of a Groom looking bug eyed and one that he looked great. I would ask which would be the most fun 25 yrs down the road. I now take about 200 shots. I still give 4X6's. And I do PP. I think I would go nuts if I had to PP 2000 shots. I think the idea of 10 guests taking pictures is great. I am very good at setting up groups and formals. And posing the Bride & Groom. I tell my Brides to be sure and have their guests send them the "social media" shots the get. Most of them with their phones and point and shots get that type of pictures better than I can.

I charge enough so that I feel like I make a good profit without selling prints or doing albums. - Dave
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With my old medium format, I only got 12 shots per roll, and trust me, thousands were out of the question. I don't do 5000, but I see craigslist photographers advertising that they "average 5000" I'm guessing they are trying to appeal to the "quantity over quality, or supersize me" mentality. My guess is that if someone hands a couple some disks with 5000 images all crammed together, the bride and groom probably never even look through all the photos once, none the less, actually order any.

I started with black and white, and moved into color, and color darkrooms, and then moved to working at a pro photo lab. Trust me, the "get it right in the camera like we did in the film days" are pulling your leg. We only worked for high end photographers, and I can remember retouching images and even the actual negatives with brushes that sometimes only had 1 hair. (I know, walked to school 10 miles in the snow, both directions) One of my main tasks was to be the guy who painted eyes on people who had them closed. It was fairly effective for the smaller prints, or the ones where there were a LOT of people in the crowd, so the eyes were small. We did have guys "airbrushing" photos. I trained to do it, but never got good enough to be an airbrusher.

I'm not putting down anyone's business model. If yours works, cool. My issue is that a true shoot and burn photographer, handing someone 5000 images isn't doing the bride and groom an favors. No matter how stunning the images, who really can go through that many. When we train (our future competition) our second shooters, we always tell them that the more shots they take, the more culling and PP work it will take, so be selective with every shot. I try to get them to imagine that they only have EXPENSIVE rolls of 12 exposure film, and every shot counts. I'd rather have one of them hand me a card with 20 well thought out photos, than one with thousands of "machine gun" pull the trigger photos.

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Apr 22, 2015 17:11:53   #
gym Loc: Athens, Georgia
 
Wow. 5000. I can't imagine that. When I do an event, I may do several hundred - because - depending on the event - I'll often shoot in burst mode, especially when there are kids doing what kids do. I get about 10 frames per second, so you can imagine how fast that adds up. Expression and pose are two VERY important things for me, and though active kids don't intentionally pose, they do have a posture when I click the shutter, and some are better than others. I don't have to process all of these because a quick run through will eliminate about 90 percent of them. But the keepers are worth the effort.
But 5000............ oh my............

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I'm not putting down anyone's business model. If yours works, cool. My issue is that a true shoot and burn photographer, handing someone 5000 images isn't doing the bride and groom an favors. No matter how stunning the images, who really can go through that many. When we train (our future competition) our second shooters, we always tell them that the more shots they take, the more culling and PP work it will take, so be selective with every shot. I try to get them to imagine that they only have EXPENSIVE rolls of 12 exposure film, and every shot counts. I'd rather have one of them hand me a card with 20 well thought out photos, than one with thousands of "machine gun" pull the trigger photos.
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