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Apr 16, 2015 13:16:41   #
gemlenz Loc: Gilbert Arizona
 
kymarto wrote:
The Canon 10-22 is a very good lens, without a lot of distortion at the wide end, but it does tend to have a fair amount of CA. I have been very happy with the Sigma 8-16, which is very sharp corner to corner, and the widest rectilinear lens for crop sensor. It also tends to be pretty good with flare. Don't be fooled, 8mm is significantly wider than 10mm, which can be important indoors. F4.5 is of course slower than some UWAs, but anyway you want to use a tripod inside to frame the shots correctly, so no problem there really.

The only other UWA lens as sharp as the Sigma is the Tokina 11-16, and it is constant f2.8, but it has some real issues with flare and with quite bad CA. I still have mine but I have never used it since getting the Sigma 8-16. Also 11mm is significantly longer than 8mm. I highly recommend the Sigma. I am now using full frame and shooting with the Nikon 14-24, but still carry the Sigma and shoot in DX mode to take advantage of its flare resistance and extra coverage.
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Apr 16, 2015 14:51:49   #
SSam Loc: Sierra Vista, AZ
 
Saproo, David Pine mentioned "distortion". I agree. Take your camera to a store or to a friend's that has the len(s) that you are considering. Take photos of the straight (vertical) wall/windows to the outside edge of your photo. While I 'think' that you can get rid of distortion in Post Processing, it is time consuming.

So, check distortion before you purchase. You'll be happy that you did.

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Apr 16, 2015 15:03:54   #
marty wild Loc: England
 
So long you can drop shutter speed which it looks like you can. Use a tripod! Shoot at 1/10 sec adjust your white balance and you should get a good image if it still want a bit more light lift the ISO in small increments not bring any unwanted noise in
saparoo wrote:
I really need advice on the best wide angle lens for real estate photography. For now, my budget is about $600. I shoot with a canon 60D. I'm looking at the canon 10-22mm f3.5-4.5. It has good reviews for landscape but can't find much on indoor/lowlight. Suggestions muchly appreciated.

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Apr 16, 2015 15:55:49   #
saparoo Loc: Atlanta, GA
 
Once again, thanks so much. Got way more info than I ever thought I would get. This is such an awesome group to be a member of....i have learned so much over the years!

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Apr 16, 2015 18:59:42   #
Lionel1954 Loc: Brampton, Ontario, Canada.
 
Undoubtedly you have gotten a lot of lens choices, now I would like to point out the things to keep in mind when using a wide lens for room and building photos. KEEP IT LEVEL this will make for a great photo. Just a simple tip.

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Apr 16, 2015 19:02:29   #
Gifted One Loc: S. E. Idaho
 
I think what you are also saying is keep it plumb.

Lionel1954 wrote:
Undoubtedly you have gotten a lot of lens choices, now I would like to point out the things to keep in mind when using a wide lens for room and building photos. KEEP IT LEVEL this will make for a great photo. Just a simple tip.

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Apr 16, 2015 19:17:01   #
erickter Loc: Dallas,TX
 
Wendy2 wrote:
I have a $15 "fix" that allows me to use this lens on my full frame cameras! Saved me a lot of money (did not have to buy a 16-35 MM because of this fix).


That's good to know. What brand is it? I have some Nikon F to Canon adapters for my many Nikkor lenses and love the results of Nikon glass on my Canon DSLR crop. Canon glass is great too.

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Apr 16, 2015 19:59:59   #
Wendy2 Loc: California
 
erickter wrote:
That's good to know. What brand is it? I have some Nikon F to Canon adapters for my many Nikkor lenses and love the results of Nikon glass on my Canon DSLR crop. Canon glass is great too.


Mine is a Canon. Not sure if you can or need to do it with Nikon because I don't think Nikon has the same limitation as Canon crop frame lenses.

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Apr 16, 2015 20:18:21   #
James R. Kyle Loc: Saint Louis, Missouri (A Suburb of Ferguson)
 
I have used a Rokinon 14mm with good success.

You might give it a try Before You Buy it.....

http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_ss_i_1_7?url=search-alias%3Daps&field-keywords=rokinon+14mm&sprefix=Rokinon%2Caps%2C273&rh=i%3Aaps%2Ck%3Arokinon+14mm

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Apr 16, 2015 20:38:37   #
Peterff Loc: O'er The Hills and Far Away, in Themyscira.
 
saparoo wrote:
I really need advice on the best wide angle lens for real estate photography. For now, my budget is about $600. I shoot with a canon 60D. I'm looking at the canon 10-22mm f3.5-4.5. It has good reviews for landscape but can't find much on indoor/lowlight. Suggestions muchly appreciated.


I've just remembered that I have a picture or two from a couple of years ago of a friend's house just before a gathering. It is a relatively small San Francisco house. Taken with a T3i and the EF-S10-22mm at 10mm 0.8s f/8.0 using a tripod. All natural lighting, which I think meets your indoor / low light description. This is straight out of the camera, I know the windows are blown out etc., but my wife just walked past, saw it and said "Oh! You caught the atmosphere nicely."

So this is nowhere like the earlier examples which are very impressive indeed, but may give you a realistic idea of what the lens would do on your camera.

The second, I realized I had used auto exposure bracketing as I was just beginning to experiment with HDR concepts, so once again a very early attempt, but I have just taken the three exposures and combined them using the DPP HDR tool. So, once again, I'm sure many people could do much, much better but it does show what some very basic quick shots can accomplish with minimal work and even less skill!

Hope it helps.

Natural Light T3i 10-22mm 0.8s f/8.0 - tripod
Natural Light T3i 10-22mm 0.8s f/8.0 - tripod...
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Another, using DPP HDR to combine 3 autoexposure bracketed images
Another, using DPP HDR to combine 3 autoexposure b...
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Apr 16, 2015 22:11:44   #
imagemeister Loc: mid east Florida
 
Samyang 14mm f2.8, manual focus , about $300 most places- also, the new Tokina 12-28mm f4 is quite good ! - about $550 most places - covers full frame from 18mm.

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Apr 17, 2015 00:05:37   #
erickter Loc: Dallas,TX
 
Wendy2 wrote:
Mine is a Canon. Not sure if you can or need to do it with Nikon because I don't think Nikon has the same limitation as Canon crop frame lenses.


Canon EFS to EF adapter made by Canon for $15.00? That would be a good price. Canon (& Nikon) adapter prices are typically overpriced. Was that used or new?

I don't need it for Nikon. I was interested in the event I bought a used FF Canon later. I use both N & C systems.

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Apr 17, 2015 08:12:49   #
burkphoto Loc: High Point, NC
 
Nicely done, Peterff, on both counts.

I don't find the first one objectionable in the least. The vast majority of such scenes probably could be underexposed by 1/2 stop to 2/3 stop. Then you could use Photoshop's Shadow/Highlight tool to equalize the values a bit. Once it hits Zillow, it's going to be a tiny, highly squashed JPEG anyway.

If your camera has a highlight compensation tool, and/or dynamic lighting control tool, play with those menu settings a bit. Some of them are surprisingly useful for holding detail.

Only a photographer will care about retaining detail in the windows. Most people know they are windows, are used to their cell phone photos being burned out there, and won't give it a second thought. It's really the shadows that have to be open.

I would strongly encourage anyone doing real estate photography to go to Zillow, Trulia, and the other real estate catalogs you can find online. Note what is there, and what is used to sell very expensive properties and average properties.

Think about the:

Aspect Ratio (usually 4:3)
Use of HDR or Shadow/Highlight tools and other post-processing
Image size in pixels and file size in KB
Subject Matter
Camera Placement
Room Layout (clutter/lack thereof)
Distortion (or lack thereof)
Use of flash, available light, or a blend
Depth of Field vs Depth of Light
White Balance Consistency (or lack thereof)
General smoothness of the entire image
Use of actual video vs. a "scan and pan" of stills

Since most of this work is done with 10-20mm (or similar range) UWA lenses on APS-C cameras, it might be shockingly interesting to download a DOF calculator and play around with the variables in it to see what sorts of depth of field you have at 10, 14, and 20 mm, at 5, 7, and 15 feet... at various wide apertures (f/2.8 and f/4).


Peterff wrote:
I've just remembered that I have a picture or two from a couple of years ago of a friend's house just before a gathering. It is a relatively small San Francisco house. Taken with a T3i and the EF-S10-22mm at 10mm 0.8s f/8.0 using a tripod. All natural lighting, which I think meets your indoor / low light description. This is straight out of the camera, I know the windows are blown out etc., but my wife just walked past, saw it and said "Oh! You caught the atmosphere nicely."

So this is nowhere like the earlier examples which are very impressive indeed, but may give you a realistic idea of what the lens would do on your camera.

The second, I realized I had used auto exposure bracketing as I was just beginning to experiment with HDR concepts, so once again a very early attempt, but I have just taken the three exposures and combined them using the DPP HDR tool. So, once again, I'm sure many people could do much, much better but it does show what some very basic quick shots can accomplish with minimal work and even less skill!

Hope it helps.
I've just remembered that I have a picture or two ... (show quote)

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Apr 17, 2015 10:15:32   #
James R. Kyle Loc: Saint Louis, Missouri (A Suburb of Ferguson)
 
imagemeister wrote:
Samyang 14mm f2.8, manual focus , about $300 most places- also, the new Tokina 12-28mm f4 is quite good ! - about $550 most places - covers full frame from 18mm.


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Yep!

Samyang = Same lens manufacture as a Rokinon - just a different name about the same price as well.

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Apr 17, 2015 10:33:32   #
imagemeister Loc: mid east Florida
 
In all honesty, if I were to do real estate and interiors today (I did them in the film era) and wanted to do a "good" job and save time and money ( MAYBE, actually make some money !) I would start with a Sony crop frame mirrorless with a shift adapter using the Samyang 14mm 2.8 lens or a good 17mm full frame lens. You do not need AF ! The Sony will do astounding in camera HDR and sweep pano, but you must be using JPEG - which suits me just fine (saving computer space and time) Yes, your exposures and lighting will need to be good !

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