Why the Right Can Afford to Be Charitable
Mar 25, 2015 09:22:15 #
Sherman A1 wrote:
While I agree with you in principle, I really don't think this belongs in the main photo forum. I would think the chit chat forum a better place to post this or on dedicated political discussion boards.
Chit Chat my butt. Send this nasty h**eful ugly comment to the attic!
Mar 25, 2015 09:50:49 #
phlash46: Wait now for the onslaught of views from the "everybody can be a billionaire" crowd. :twisted: :twisted:
Nagy: I did it for that purpose. Now, as Lawrence Ferlinghetti would have said, they will perform as usual in their sawdust circuses.
Nagy: I did it for that purpose. Now, as Lawrence Ferlinghetti would have said, they will perform as usual in their sawdust circuses.
Mar 25, 2015 09:51:43 #
Sherman A1: While I agree with you in principle, I really don't think this belongs in the main photo forum. I would think the chit chat forum a better place to post this or on dedicated political discussion boards.
Nagy: You are absolutely right. I made a stupid mistake.
Nagy: You are absolutely right. I made a stupid mistake.
Mar 25, 2015 09:52:59 #
PNagy wrote:
Charity can be a very deceptive thing. The Walmart... (show quote)
I get your point and am sympathetic even though it is outrageously exaggerated.
Does not belong here.
Mar 25, 2015 09:53:00 #
eshotwell wrote:
Wow, this ugly rant is almost enough to make me leave this PHOTOGRAPHY forum for good. Why don't we take on r****m, a******n, ISIS? I get enough of this left/right crap everyday. Just take beautiful pictures and leave the politics at home.
First, welcome to the Hog. Second, hang in there. Lots of great folks and photography discussion. This just got posted in the wrong spot--it happens on occasion but not reason enough to bail.
Mar 25, 2015 09:54:33 #
Sherman A1: While I agree with you in principle, I really don't think this belongs in the main photo forum. I would think the chit chat forum a better place to post this or on dedicated political discussion boards.
Davefales: I'm betting it gets move to The Attic.
Nagy: All it will take to get it there is one or two heated exchanges. We at the Hog keep alive the spirit of Dan Akroyd, who began his Point/Counterpoint segment on Saturday Night Live with the words, "Jane, you ignorant s**t."
Davefales: I'm betting it gets move to The Attic.
Nagy: All it will take to get it there is one or two heated exchanges. We at the Hog keep alive the spirit of Dan Akroyd, who began his Point/Counterpoint segment on Saturday Night Live with the words, "Jane, you ignorant s**t."
Mar 25, 2015 09:54:52 #
PNagy wrote:
Sherman A1: While I agree with you in principle, I really don't think this belongs in the main photo forum. I would think the chit chat forum a better place to post this or on dedicated political discussion boards.
Nagy: You are absolutely right. I made a stupid mistake.
Nagy: You are absolutely right. I made a stupid mistake.
Not only a stupid mistake, but a stupid statement as well.
Mar 25, 2015 09:55:03 #
PNagy wrote:
Sherman A1: While I agree with you in principle, I really don't think this belongs in the main photo forum. I would think the chit chat forum a better place to post this or on dedicated political discussion boards.
Nagy: You are absolutely right. I made a stupid mistake.
Nagy: You are absolutely right. I made a stupid mistake.
It happens--no big deal. Just got everybody's blood boiling--for one reason or another--early than normal for a Wednesday.
Have a good day..
Mar 25, 2015 09:56:25 #
DB7423: Nasty family? Tell us how you really feel. And in the future rants such as this belong in the attic but you knew that already didn't you.
Nagy: Administration is free to move it there. Perhaps you could ask them to do so in case they have not noticed this topic.
Nagy: Administration is free to move it there. Perhaps you could ask them to do so in case they have not noticed this topic.
Mar 25, 2015 10:05:06 #
Mar 25, 2015 10:13:10 #
RichieC
Loc: Adirondacks
Funny thing you fall into a typical prejudiced view that equates prosperity and success and charity with the right... And clearly state that people "on the right can afford to be charitable" oblivious that you have revealed how charitable you view yourself and those who share your views. It would take much too long to make a list of those who lean to the left that that are prosperous and successful, perhaps less so for charity, but certainly altruistic people exist from either side of political views, and you ignore the amazing amount from those who can barely afford to make ends meet. A common approach to altruism of the left is to pass laws to tax people's success and hand it out to those they deem worthy, rather then give and support their causes on their own. The whole "generous with other peoples money" liberal mantra.
But I personally find it humorous that you demonstrate another trait of the typical liberal left. You are so conceited and narcissistic that your opinion is completely accurate , pretending to be tolerant- yet harbor violent contempt for any dissenting point of view, arrogantly unaware of your myopia.
You really have nothing to offer on the subject of charity or the people who are charitable, or any other subject, other then to rattle off your party's line and talking points.
Yawn...
But I personally find it humorous that you demonstrate another trait of the typical liberal left. You are so conceited and narcissistic that your opinion is completely accurate , pretending to be tolerant- yet harbor violent contempt for any dissenting point of view, arrogantly unaware of your myopia.
You really have nothing to offer on the subject of charity or the people who are charitable, or any other subject, other then to rattle off your party's line and talking points.
Yawn...
Mar 25, 2015 10:28:11 #
you ought to be banned for starting this thread outside of Chit-Chat or the Attic!
Administration has really dropped the ball.
Dave
Administration has really dropped the ball.
Dave
Mar 25, 2015 10:35:33 #
So where are the photos?
GT
GT
PNagy wrote:
Charity can be a very deceptive thing. The Walmart... (show quote)
Mar 25, 2015 10:46:14 #
Mar 25, 2015 10:52:54 #
architect1776: The left which consists of most the Hollywood croud, And Kerry, Kennedys, Sorros, Jacksons, Sharpton and other l*****tsÂ…
Nagy: The Kennedys are left? Every one of them? Hum. Kerry is definitely not. You would say so only because you have no idea what left means. You think it means "left of the "Republicans," which is a deliciously ignorant embrace of right wing media's deliberate shift of political language. They call the Republicans the right and the Democrats the left. In fact, both major parties are right wing institutions bankrolled by much the same right wing plutocratic paymasters. Calling them left and right is a way of keeping a real left wing agenda totally out of public political discourse.
architect1776: You fall into the class warfare fools who want others who work hard to give you something for nothing.
Nagy: Perhaps you can tell what I am receiving for nothing, or what I demand for myself for nothing.
architect1776: Lesson: no corporation has ever paid a dime in taxes. The wonderful government you so love taxes the corporation which then passes that tax on as a cost of doing business to you the stupid consumer. You are happy the government is screwing the corporation while you are the one being robbed by your beloved government using the corporations to collect the money from you.
Nagy: This statement is the height of arrogance and stupidity. First, I do not love the government. It is in the hands of the plutocracy, a condition that I despise. That is the second time you have tried in just a few lines to stereotype me according to some internal narrative you substitute for reading what a person says. Additionally, characterization of corporate taxation as screwing the corporation is mindless nonsense. Without taxes there is no government. Anarchy is worse even than the system we currently have.
Secondly, corporate taxes should be assessed on profits, not operational costs. If the corporation decides it must have an exorbitant profit for a vital service or product, it should be nationalized. No private profit should ever be placed above the well being of everyone.
Architect1776: Conservatives as a whole are far less wealthy than the l*****ts who do everything in their power to dodge taxes (Al Sharpton and a majority of federal workers as a report this morning in the news announced) and not pay them.
Nagy: Of course conservatives are on average not every wealthy. That is because there are two classes of conservatives. The first is the plutocrats who are the architects of the "conservative" agenda. They are a thin minority, but 100% of those who benefit from that agenda. The rest, the majority, are pusillanimous dupes whose economic interests are not supported at all by rightist policies, but who support it anyway, because of inflammatory single issues they are offered, like anti-a******n, pro-school prayer, pro-proliferation of guns, etc.
Architect1776: This is so stupid of a statement to make and shows you are one of those who h**e free enterprise, freedom to make money, personal responsibility and hatred for America as a whole and what it stands fo a bastion of individual liberty and the freedom to succeed and the freedom to fail.
Nagy: Pity those who believe a word you say, oh architect of illusions. "Free enterprise" without limits is not a desirable condition, only an excuse for some to horde all the rewards of society for themselves. There is nothing free in that process for anyone, except corporations. They use the power of their wealth to rig the system in their favor. It has been like that since the dawn of capitalism with the Dutch, French, and English East India Companies. They bribed the government to set up conditions that allow them to determine all the rules of operation in the economy.
In our time the process has matured into what is called "globalization." This is really only globalization for corporations, but not for the market or labor. It is the system that allows corporations to send all their profits offshore, and to "outsource" labor costs to the third world, but does not allow labor to migrate, or consumers to buy cheaper goods in other markets, such as pharmaceuticals.
In the US, the result is that the per capita share of the GDP belonging to the bottom 75% has dropped 33% in the last 34 years. This is due to policies designed to marshall more and more to the upper income earners. Architect1776, either through abject ignorance, or to deliberate deception characterizes it as giving people "the freedom to fail." In reality, it is increasing their chances of failure while paying them less, making them work more at a time that the American worker has reached record levels of productivity.
No doubt, the "freedom to fail" supported by architect1776 has all sorts of corollaries that he has not had time to mention. In this vein Peter Brabeck-Letmathe, Chairman and former CEO of Nestle, has stated that it is an extreme position to assert people have the right to water. He and architect1776 would agree that instead, people have the freedom to die of thirst. And if Nestle could figure out a way to bottle the atmosphere, then we could all acquire the freedom to asphyxiate. Opposing those freedoms is stupid. Just ask architect1776.
Nagy: The Kennedys are left? Every one of them? Hum. Kerry is definitely not. You would say so only because you have no idea what left means. You think it means "left of the "Republicans," which is a deliciously ignorant embrace of right wing media's deliberate shift of political language. They call the Republicans the right and the Democrats the left. In fact, both major parties are right wing institutions bankrolled by much the same right wing plutocratic paymasters. Calling them left and right is a way of keeping a real left wing agenda totally out of public political discourse.
architect1776: You fall into the class warfare fools who want others who work hard to give you something for nothing.
Nagy: Perhaps you can tell what I am receiving for nothing, or what I demand for myself for nothing.
architect1776: Lesson: no corporation has ever paid a dime in taxes. The wonderful government you so love taxes the corporation which then passes that tax on as a cost of doing business to you the stupid consumer. You are happy the government is screwing the corporation while you are the one being robbed by your beloved government using the corporations to collect the money from you.
Nagy: This statement is the height of arrogance and stupidity. First, I do not love the government. It is in the hands of the plutocracy, a condition that I despise. That is the second time you have tried in just a few lines to stereotype me according to some internal narrative you substitute for reading what a person says. Additionally, characterization of corporate taxation as screwing the corporation is mindless nonsense. Without taxes there is no government. Anarchy is worse even than the system we currently have.
Secondly, corporate taxes should be assessed on profits, not operational costs. If the corporation decides it must have an exorbitant profit for a vital service or product, it should be nationalized. No private profit should ever be placed above the well being of everyone.
Architect1776: Conservatives as a whole are far less wealthy than the l*****ts who do everything in their power to dodge taxes (Al Sharpton and a majority of federal workers as a report this morning in the news announced) and not pay them.
Nagy: Of course conservatives are on average not every wealthy. That is because there are two classes of conservatives. The first is the plutocrats who are the architects of the "conservative" agenda. They are a thin minority, but 100% of those who benefit from that agenda. The rest, the majority, are pusillanimous dupes whose economic interests are not supported at all by rightist policies, but who support it anyway, because of inflammatory single issues they are offered, like anti-a******n, pro-school prayer, pro-proliferation of guns, etc.
Architect1776: This is so stupid of a statement to make and shows you are one of those who h**e free enterprise, freedom to make money, personal responsibility and hatred for America as a whole and what it stands fo a bastion of individual liberty and the freedom to succeed and the freedom to fail.
Nagy: Pity those who believe a word you say, oh architect of illusions. "Free enterprise" without limits is not a desirable condition, only an excuse for some to horde all the rewards of society for themselves. There is nothing free in that process for anyone, except corporations. They use the power of their wealth to rig the system in their favor. It has been like that since the dawn of capitalism with the Dutch, French, and English East India Companies. They bribed the government to set up conditions that allow them to determine all the rules of operation in the economy.
In our time the process has matured into what is called "globalization." This is really only globalization for corporations, but not for the market or labor. It is the system that allows corporations to send all their profits offshore, and to "outsource" labor costs to the third world, but does not allow labor to migrate, or consumers to buy cheaper goods in other markets, such as pharmaceuticals.
In the US, the result is that the per capita share of the GDP belonging to the bottom 75% has dropped 33% in the last 34 years. This is due to policies designed to marshall more and more to the upper income earners. Architect1776, either through abject ignorance, or to deliberate deception characterizes it as giving people "the freedom to fail." In reality, it is increasing their chances of failure while paying them less, making them work more at a time that the American worker has reached record levels of productivity.
No doubt, the "freedom to fail" supported by architect1776 has all sorts of corollaries that he has not had time to mention. In this vein Peter Brabeck-Letmathe, Chairman and former CEO of Nestle, has stated that it is an extreme position to assert people have the right to water. He and architect1776 would agree that instead, people have the freedom to die of thirst. And if Nestle could figure out a way to bottle the atmosphere, then we could all acquire the freedom to asphyxiate. Opposing those freedoms is stupid. Just ask architect1776.
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