n3eg
Loc: West coast USA
I shoot in "lazy manual" mode. I shoot in P,A,S modes with a lot of half press and recompose using spot focus/exposure, and after watching the settings I get an idea of what I'm doing and switch to manual.
Pepper
Loc: Planet Earth Country USA
It just depends on the situation. If I'm shooting a portrait or landscape and have the time I will use my manual setting most of the time because I enjoy the challenge (yes it's still a challenge for me). When I'm shooting a sporting event or somewhere that might produce a surprise I am usually in either S or A modes.
Nightski wrote:
Many people say working in aperture priority, shutter priority, or even in program or auto makes them a better photographer. They say that not having to think about the exposure settings so much frees up their thoughts so they can concentrate on framing. I'm not so sure about this. I think the way you expose for a subject is part of the framing.
I can't speak for others, but when I'm using priority mode, I often use exposure compensation when I feel it's called for, such as a snow scene or inside a dark forest. And the aperture/shutter settings the camera selects are always displayed in the viewfinder, so it's not like I don't know what's going on. Sometimes I don't understand the point of shooting
manual only if all one is doing is dialing in EXACTLY what the camera would be selecting in priority mode. I have and use film cameras that don't have a priority mode feauture (the oldest ones don't even have built-in meter), so it's not like I lack experience with manual mode, or am intimidated by it. For me, priority mode is often a welcome feature, as it allows me to spend less time dialing and more time concentrating on the subject and capturing that often fleeting moment.
If you purchase a dishwasher, you may as well use it once in a while. That's how I feel about priority mode too.
n3eg wrote:
I shoot in "lazy manual" mode. I shoot in P,A,S modes with a lot of half press and recompose using spot focus/exposure, and after watching the settings I get an idea of what I'm doing and switch to manual.
I can see where this would help you get to know your camera.
rook2c4 wrote:
I can't speak for others, but when I'm using priority mode, I often use exposure compensation when I feel it's called for, such as a snow scene or inside a dark forest. And the aperture/shutter settings the camera selects are always displayed in the viewfinder, so it's not like I don't know what's going on. Sometimes I don't understand the point of shooting manual only if all one is doing is dialing in EXACTLY what the camera would be selecting in priority mode. I have and use film cameras that don't have a priority mode feauture (the oldest ones don't even have built-in meter), so it's not like I lack experience with manual mode, or am intimidated by it. For me, priority mode is often a welcome feature, as it allows me to spend less time dialing and more time concentrating on the subject and capturing that often fleeting moment.
If you purchase a dishwasher, you may as well use it once in a while. That's how I feel about priority mode too.
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I am thinking of using it once in a while, but the exposure compensation thing is one thing I don't get. I understand how it works .. but when you have to adjust exposure compensation while you are in aperture priority, isn't that the same thing as adjusting your shutter speed in manual? So what is the benefit if you still have to adjust your settings anyway?
Different modes for different folks! Lazy is when you never bother to figure out what the A or S stand for, and use your ILC/DSLR like a phone camera.
I shoot in Manual the majority of the time but I use all the other modes except P.
Full Manual is my preferred mode for planned, unhurried shooting with fairly predictable conditions. I sometimes use A priority for landscapes or people with changing conditions, S priority for birds and sports, Auto when I'm being herded along such as on a tour or something, and don't have any time to pull aside and make changes. I never let ISO run wild, always put limits on it. But I don't think the mode I shoot in makes me any better or worse photographer, it just helps me adapt to the situation better. It's all personal though, everyone should pick what works best for them.
Nightski wrote:
I am thinking of using it once in a while, but the exposure compensation thing is one thing I don't get. I understand how it works .. but when you have to adjust exposure compensation while you are in aperture priority, isn't that the same thing as adjusting your shutter speed in manual? So what is the benefit if you still have to adjust your settings anyway?
There's not a big benifit, but in some situations you can set the compensation once and leave it - for the duration of however long those light circumstances persist. Of course if the light situation is drastically changing from one shot to the next (for example, indoors vs. outdoors), you may just as well be in manual mode; no benifit in that case. I use priority mode primarily to save time. And only then when I think it will save me time.
Let's say you're doing street photography, and something interesting could happen at any moment. The more you're fiddling with the camera, the less you are paying attention to what's going around you and the more likely you will miss capturing that magic moment. Perhaps it only takes 2-3 seconds to adjust for exposure in manual mode. But those few seconds could be difference between capturing and missing the shot.
minniev wrote:
Different modes for different folks! Lazy is when you never bother to figure out what the A or S stand for, and use your ILC/DSLR like a phone camera.
I shoot in Manual the majority of the time but I use all the other modes except P.
Full Manual is my preferred mode for planned, unhurried shooting with fairly predictable conditions. I sometimes use A priority for landscapes or people with changing conditions, S priority for birds and sports, Auto when I'm being herded along such as on a tour or something, and don't have any time to pull aside and make changes. I never let ISO run wild, always put limits on it. But I don't think the mode I shoot in makes me any better or worse photographer, it just helps me adapt to the situation better. It's all personal though, everyone should pick what works best for them.
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Thank you for this logical, thoughtful answer, Minnie. Much appreciated.
rook2c4 wrote:
There's not a big benifit, but in some situations you can set the compensation once and leave it - for the duration of however long those light circumstances persist. Of course if the light situation is drastically changing from one shot to the next (for example, indoors vs. outdoors), you may just as well be in manual mode; no benifit in that case. I use priority mode primarily to save time. And only then when I think it will save me time.
Let's say you're doing street photography, and something interesting could happen at any moment. The more you're fiddling with the camera, the less you are paying attention to what's going around you and the more likely you will miss capturing that magic moment. Perhaps it only takes 2-3 seconds to adjust for exposure in manual mode. But those few seconds could be difference between capturing and missing the shot.
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Yes .. street .. that makes sense. So ... shutter priority or aperture priority for street ... often times you want your DOF to blur distracting background things out when shooting street, but then you need to have that shutter speed fast enough for moving people.
No all the Auto Modes don't make you lazy. It does however for beginners to get really confused. Like SS "said as long as you know when exactly to use them" and for a beginner who doesn't know it would be much more difficult to learn than Manual mode.
I admire those that learn ALL the features of their gear and use it to their advantage.
As for me I work with my camera and lens in manual modes. I just find it most comfortable.
I might not always have a goal in mind when I go out. Some times, things just attract my attention. When they do I consider the lighting where I am, and adjust settings accordingly. Then I compose, focus and readjust for desired DOF. I always check the meter but I don't always comply with the settings indicated on it.
In regards to lazy, you might say I am as I don't lug a tripod and don't use flash.
Since becoming a member of UHH I have become comfortable with post processing. I'm somewhat loathe to admit that most images can be improved in post Some dramatically so. I've learned to really like it.
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My old Blazer finally died and I drive a Jeep now. It won't let me lock my keys in my car ... well I haven't locked my keys in the car for over 25 years ... but in the last week I've almost locked them in three times. My Jeep reminds me when I need gas, when I need an oil change ... it's a smart Jeep. While I like these features, I wonder if it is making me less disciplined ... I think so. I found myself creating an analogy of this to photography. Does relying on your camera to pick your shutter speed or your aperture .. or letting it automatically bracket your shots make you less aware of how you are shooting something and less likely to think about how you want the photograph to look when you are done? Do you just mindlessly let the camera give you the right exposure without thinking about if that is the exposure you want? There are several correct exposures for every situation .. the camera picks one.
Because I shoot in manual, I check my settings before I go anywhere with my camera. I am keenly aware of where they are at. I know what I am going to shoot. Yes, there are times when an opportunity arises and I have to change the settings that I had when I left home, but I know where they are at and I can do it quickly. I know where I want them for different situations most of the time. If I don't, it's a day that I learn something.
I wonder if the attitude that the camera will just do it for you permeates into other areas of photography. Does the photographer get more lax about framing. Does he go out with no idea what he would like to shoot that day? Does he forget to use shutter speed and aperture creatively?
Many people say working in aperture priority, shutter priority, or even in program or auto makes them a better photographer. They say that not having to think about the exposure settings so much frees up their thoughts so they can concentrate on framing. I'm not so sure about this. I think the way you expose for a subject is part of the framing.
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SonnyE
Loc: Communist California, USA
And, there is the entire other side of the dial to explore as well.
Which I haven't.
But if I ONLY shot in MASP, I can guarantee I'd miss a LOT of important shots.
So my ego isn't so big I have to ONLY shoot in Manual, nor do I ONLY have to shoot in RAW.
If somebody wants that, hey try going back to a Kodak Brownie.
Didn't have to think about much there.
I loved my 1970 Toyota Landbrusier FJ40, drove it into the ground, and resurrected it.
Built and installed a Chevy small block.
Finally gave it to my eldest Son. He races it in mud bog events.
And wins.
But I moved up, and kept moving up. I like the fact I'm not under a hood most weekends adjusting points, or fiddle-farting with anything.
And I like that keyless thing, too. And instant mileage computers. And projected oil life. Being able to custom tune things we never had a choice over.
But being a guy, I rarely misplaced my keys. That's why I wear jeans. I have pockets. ;)
Nightski wrote:
I am thinking of using it once in a while, but the exposure compensation thing is one thing I don't get. I understand how it works .. but when you have to adjust exposure compensation while you are in aperture priority, isn't that the same thing as adjusting your shutter speed in manual? So what is the benefit if you still have to adjust your settings anyway?
Nightski although I don't use the exposure compensation either but it seems to me nowaday it's the primary mean of exposure control. Nowaday people turn on auto ISO so in any of the modes including manual they would use the exposure compensation to increase or decrease exposure from what the meter thinks. The exposure compensation on new cameras are now right under the right thumb suggesting that it is the most often used control.
im no expert but in the priority modes..I think you set the priority and the camera picks the best compensating setting...
in Manual..you set the ISO and adjust both the shutter speed and the aperture...
basically its
shallow depth of field wide open aperture priority (f1.8)
deep depth highest aperture (f22)
capture motion high shutter speed priority 1000
blur motion low speed 40 or lower if you can hold it.
day light 200 ISO
low light 400-800 ISO
in manual if you don't like what the camera gives you...you can immediately change a setting to your liking. you can compensate the exposure by lowering or raising the shutter speed, OR opening or closing a stop on the shutter.
Since I am not always on a specific hunt when I go out I may end up shooting architecture on a street or close ups of flowers, maybe table top stills, or people conducting an activity. For my style of shooting Manual seems easier.
everyone can hold claim to missing a great opportunity for a shot.
Ive tried most of the settings on my camera including the art and scan settings that my Olympus offers. I always go back to manual.
Nightski wrote:
I am thinking of using it once in a while, but the exposure compensation thing is one thing I don't get. I understand how it works .. but when you have to adjust exposure compensation while you are in aperture priority, isn't that the same thing as adjusting your shutter speed in manual? So what is the benefit if you still have to adjust your settings anyway?
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