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Jan 24, 2015 16:47:02   #
venturer9 Loc: Newton, Il.
 
Robert Graybeal wrote:
"Furthermore it is actually more expensive to excute some one than to improson him for life."

How in the world can this possibly be true????




Well, in this world today.. I can see that it COULD be possible.... but

In my crazy world,,,, I have always figured that give a person a trial, if they lose, they have an AUTOMATIC Retrial.... in 2 months.... IF they lose that one,, March them to the place of execution and do the job.... Maximum time of incarceration could be 6months...

A lot is said today about DNA freeing prisoners who were not Guilty...
That is great, but that is not the same today... WITH modern DNA Testing, proof of guilt would be much more reliable... Right?

Mike

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Jan 24, 2015 17:30:10   #
MtnMan Loc: ID
 
crissx09 wrote:
For a long time we have had lawyers, judges and members of the Supreme Court discussing about the humanity or cruelty that the lethal injection carry when applied.
My point is: instead of wasting all that money in Court and involving professionals in taken a criminal out of the picture in our society, what is the problem with an inexpensive, reliable, painless, quick .22 caliber in the back of the head?
Call me names, insult me if you feel you have to..but think in the kind of guy that do not deserve any human consideration due to the crimes they commit. Did you heard that the last fellow put to sleep raped an k**led an 11 MONTH baby?Our Society is so hypocritical that try to look kind using all that sadistic ritual of using long processing pr********n of a series of injection that so far are doing nothing more than create controversy and a waste of tax payer money in the piece of cake that our law maker have creating for themselves
For a long time we have had lawyers, judges and me... (show quote)


The waste of taxpayer money is indeed huge. It would be better if we could simply stop the appeals and keep them in jail for the rest of their lives.

I don't think it sets a good precedent to give the state the power to take human lives while we prevent our citizens from doing so. Also there are a disconcerting and growing number of people that have incontrovertibly been found innocent years after being convicted of crimes they didn't commit (mostly by DNA evidence). The most recent being a guy who was jailed for 49 years.

In the mean time though I'd prefer a .357 or 40 over a .22.

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Jan 24, 2015 17:42:02   #
thom w Loc: San Jose, CA
 
crissx09 wrote:
For a long time we have had lawyers, judges and members of the Supreme Court discussing about the humanity or cruelty that the lethal injection carry when applied.
My point is: instead of wasting all that money in Court and involving professionals in taken a criminal out of the picture in our society, what is the problem with an inexpensive, reliable, painless, quick .22 caliber in the back of the head?
Call me names, insult me if you feel you have to..but think in the kind of guy that do not deserve any human consideration due to the crimes they commit. Did you heard that the last fellow put to sleep raped an k**led an 11 MONTH baby?Our Society is so hypocritical that try to look kind using all that sadistic ritual of using long processing pr********n of a series of injection that so far are doing nothing more than create controversy and a waste of tax payer money in the piece of cake that our law maker have creating for themselves
For a long time we have had lawyers, judges and me... (show quote)


Without getting in to the argument of whether or not they have a right for it to be painless. You claim it is painless. Do you have any evidence?

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Jan 24, 2015 17:44:00   #
thom w Loc: San Jose, CA
 
Photoman74 wrote:
Oorah - I agree - Also (life in prison) tax dollars wasted on someone who has proven a monster - I think the reason for punishment and the justice line is not only blurred but extremely vague.


Everything I have read indicates it is more expensive to go through a death penalty trial and execute someone than to house them for life.

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Jan 24, 2015 17:46:31   #
thom w Loc: San Jose, CA
 
donrent wrote:
"Hey, what about the poor criminals rights?"
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They threw those rights away when they committed a crime....


Depends on the crime and if they were really guilty. Every time I see your avatar I hear "Hey you damn kids, get off the lawn." Did you mean for it to look like that?

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Jan 24, 2015 17:49:09   #
thom w Loc: San Jose, CA
 
SteveR wrote:
Just hire Anton Chigurh and his compressed air machine. Quick and painless.

You may remember him from No Country for Old Men. Maybe the best villain of all time.


Just curious how serious you are.

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Jan 24, 2015 17:50:11   #
Photoman74 Loc: Conroe Tx
 
Please explain cost differences between a death sentence and a life time sentence at the sentencing phase. After each sentence has appeals and incarceration.

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Jan 24, 2015 17:58:28   #
thom w Loc: San Jose, CA
 
Photoman74 wrote:
Please explain cost differences between a death sentence and a life time sentence at the sentencing phase. After each sentence has appeals and incarceration.


I would imagine there are persons here much more expert than I but I believe the death penalty appeal process is much more extensive than the life without appeal process.
Also the penalty phase for the death penalty is extensive.

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Jan 24, 2015 18:50:18   #
MtnMan Loc: ID
 
thom w wrote:
I would imagine there are persons here much more expert than I but I believe the death penalty appeal process is much more extensive than the life without appeal process.
Also the penalty phase for the death penalty is extensive.


Yes, while also no expert I believe it is in part because it is aided and abetted by lawyers who make money off the appeals funded in part by anti-death penalty advocates. I'm not aware of any groups organized to fight against life sentences.

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Jan 24, 2015 18:54:40   #
thom w Loc: San Jose, CA
 
MtnMan wrote:
Yes, while also no expert I believe it is in part because it is aided and abetted by lawyers who make money off the appeals funded in part by anti-death penalty advocates. I'm not aware of any groups organized to fight against life sentences.


Are you suggesting they shouldn't do this? They should do this? Or merely relaying facts as you believe them to be?
(I don't know if that sounds confrontational. It's not meant to be.)

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Jan 24, 2015 19:26:57   #
phcaan Loc: Willow Springs, MO
 
thom w wrote:
Everything I have read indicates it is more expensive to go through a death penalty trial and execute someone than to house them for life.


If you look closely you will see that that it is quite a bit more expensive to execute than to imprison.

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Jan 24, 2015 19:45:01   #
SteveR Loc: Michigan
 
thom w wrote:
Just curious how serious you are.


Geez.

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Jan 24, 2015 20:09:38   #
thom w Loc: San Jose, CA
 
SteveR wrote:
Geez.


There you go again. I still don't know. I guess I don't have to know.

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Jan 24, 2015 20:16:13   #
SteveR Loc: Michigan
 
thom w wrote:
There you go again. I still don't know. I guess I don't have to know.


thom boy, although the method is quick and efficient, do you really think k*****g human beings the same way we slaughter hogs would be acceptable???? C'mon, boy!!!! You've gotta know when you're chain is bein' yanked.

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Jan 24, 2015 20:35:17   #
venturer9 Loc: Newton, Il.
 
phcaan wrote:
If you look closely you will see that that it is quite a bit more expensive to execute than to imprison.



Once more.. THIS IS NOT A SARCASTIC question....; HOW can it be more expensive to execute than to imprison

The man who recently was freed after (I think) 49 years cost the Government ?????

here is what NY says it costs to house a Prisoner Per Year.....
""""" The city paid $167,731 to feed, house and guard each inmate last year"""" that is 8,218,819.00 if my Calculator is correct for a 49 year sentence... That certainly seems like it would be more than the most Executions.

Mike

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