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Dec 30, 2014 07:06:04   #
cesarakg Loc: Candelaria - Brazil
 
LarJgrip wrote:
Who were guided by an infallible Spirit.


That's why we see in the Bible high moral and ethical clear a nd inequivocal orientation against slavery, misoginy, homophoby, genocide, intolerance and so on, so no one can use any verse from the Bible to support any of these evils.

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Dec 30, 2014 08:30:33   #
dennis2146 Loc: Eastern Idaho
 
cesarakg wrote:
And when the design is bad, why it isn't changed? A non-central column in a biped animal is a bad idea that causes a lot of back pain, scoliosis and a lot of other problems. The pharynx where you mix air, water and food is a killer idea - it kills a lot of people each year. Combining a small birth canal with a baby with big head was too a painful and killer idea.

The idea of having testes going down from the abdomen to the scrotum too was a killer idea, as the hernias that can result from this caused serious health problems and death. And what about a reproduction system that can led to potentially lethal ectopic pregnancy?

And what about the quirks? A laringe nerve that goes down to the heart and the up to the laringe? Or the tissue responsible for feeding the retina over the retina, diminishing it's efficiency? Or the "playground" next to the "sewer"? Or the male uretra, a soft canal passing inside an organ that can swell and interrupt it, the prostata?

"Go home, designer, you are drunk."

On the other side, cars and clocks are a bad analogy for biological evolution: they don't mutate, and they don't reproduce - they don't evolve, not in the biological sense.
And when the design is bad, why it isn't changed? ... (show quote)


Say what you like but it seems to have worked and is still working.

Dennis

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Dec 30, 2014 08:33:48   #
Architect1776 Loc: In my mind
 
cesarakg wrote:
1. Because the temperature of the planet is taken globally, and not in the polar cap?

2. Because your life is too short to see speciation happening?

3. There's a lot of intermediate beings, you only need to go to a Natural History Museum.

4. "there should be that category as well as others" You mean, intermediate beings? There are millions os different fossils, the evolution of most animals and insects we know is well documented in fossil record. And in the DNA.

5. It's already evidenced by several different lines of research, from paleontology to chemistry, with the strongest evidences coming from genetics and biochemistry. As Theodosius Dobzhanski said, "Evolution as a process that has always gone on in the history of the earth can be doubted only by those who are ignorant of the evidence or are resistant to evidence, owing to emotional blocks or to plain bigotry."

Nothing in Biology Makes Sense except in the Light of Evolution
Author(s): Theodosius Dobzhansky
Source: The American Biology Teacher, Vol. 35, No. 3 (Mar., 1973), pp. 125-129
Published by: National Association of Biology Teachers
Stable URL: http://www.jstor.org/stable/4444260
Accessed: 05/03/2010 10:48
1. Because the temperature of the planet is taken ... (show quote)


By the way I mentioned media bias.
News Week has the new cover release today stating that Christians are frauds. Why Christians? Why not muslims? Also global warming is a religion as it is faith based and no emperical science to back it up that humans cause it. The earth naturally warms and cools in cycles regardless of any thing humans do and has done so for millenia. So saying there is no bias against Christians and global warming is human caused are two losing issues as being totally false.

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Dec 30, 2014 08:51:23   #
cesarakg Loc: Candelaria - Brazil
 
dennis2146 wrote:
Say what you like but it seems to have worked and is still working.


Because it's the result of evolution, not design. Evolution reutilizes, adapts, and the result is not always the better. It works, and that's all you can say about it. Sometimes you get some ultra-refined organ or function, working in near optimals levels. Sometimes you get something that works.

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Dec 30, 2014 08:56:54   #
cesarakg Loc: Candelaria - Brazil
 
Architect1776 wrote:
By the way I mentioned media bias.
News Week has the new cover release today stating that Christians are frauds. Why Christians? Why not muslims?


Why not, if they are?

Architect1776 wrote:
Also global warming is a religion as it is faith based and no emperical science to back it up that humans cause it. The earth naturally warms and cools in cycles regardless of any thing humans do and has done so for millenia. So saying there is no bias against Christians and global warming is human caused are two losing issues as being totally false.


You need to inform yourself. There are a lot of evidences, and global warming/climate change is empirical science.

http://skepticalscience.com/climate-change-little-ice-age-medieval-warm-period.htm

Scientific analysis of past climates shows that greenhouse gasses, principally CO2, have controlled most ancient climate changes. The evidence for that is spread throughout the geological record. This makes it clear that this time around humans are the cause, mainly by our CO2 emissions.

http://skepticalscience.com/argument.php

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Dec 30, 2014 09:04:56   #
cesarakg Loc: Candelaria - Brazil
 
coot wrote:
Newton was not only a great scientist but also a devoted christian. He spent his life very successfully seeking the knowledge of how God does things. To my mind both Newton and Jesus are true super heroes.


He was an astrologer and alchemist too. And personaly he was not a very good person - he persecuted Leibniz under false accusations of fraud. A hero for science (optics, mechanics, gravitational mechanics, and calculus), but as a person...

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Newton was extremely sensitive to criticism, and even ceased publishing until the death of his arch-rival Hooke. It was only through the prodding of Halley that Newton was persuaded at all to publish the Principia Mathematica. In the latter portion of his life, he devoted much of his time to alchemical researches and trying to date events in the Bible. After Newton's death, his burial place was moved. During the exhumation, it was discovered that Newton had massive amounts of mercury in his body, probably resulting from his alchemical pursuits. This would certainly explain Newton's eccentricity in late life. Newton was appointed Warden of the British Mint in 1695. Newton was knighted by Queen Anne. However, the act was "an honor bestowed not for his contributions to science, nor for his service at the Mint, but for the greater glory of party politics in the election of 1705" (Westfall 1993, p. 625).
Newton was extremely sensitive to criticism, and e... (show quote)
Source: http://scienceworld.wolfram.com/biography/Newton.html

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Dec 30, 2014 09:26:19   #
dennis2146 Loc: Eastern Idaho
 
cesarakg wrote:
Because it's the result of evolution, not design. Evolution reutilizes, adapts, and the result is not always the better. It works, and that's all you can say about it. Sometimes you get some ultra-refined organ or function, working in near optimals levels. Sometimes you get something that works.


But something, someone had to start the first cell even if you believe in the theory of evolution. For my beliefs it was God. For your beliefs, who knows. You are welcome to believe as you wish. You will just have to forgive me for thinking you are wrong. You will not change my views.

By folks. Always a pleasure,

Dennis

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Dec 30, 2014 09:41:02   #
thom w Loc: San Jose, CA
 
dennis2146 wrote:
But something, someone had to start the first cell even if you believe in the theory of evolution. For my beliefs it was God. For your beliefs, who knows. You are welcome to believe as you wish. You will just have to forgive me for thinking you are wrong. You will not change my views.

By folks. Always a pleasure,

Dennis


Why is it easier to believe that god just always was than that one day there wasn't life and the next day there was. I'm not trying to throw rocks at your religion I just don't understand that.

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Dec 30, 2014 09:50:59   #
Indepen
 
Lets not forget the Christians who fire bomb abortion clinics and assassinate abortion doctors. These folks and Islamic terrorist are one in the same.

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Dec 30, 2014 09:53:06   #
Indepen
 
rpavich wrote:
No...not thin skinned, just a bit tired of misinformation masquerading as news.

Our buddy Neil is as mis-informed as they come when it comes to anything Christian or much of science as it relates to Christianity either.

I noticed that nobody writes things about Islam or slams Islam with the same fervor as they do Christianity...lol...I wonder if it's because Christians don't fire-bomb those who disagree?

Christians in this country only fire bomb abortion clinics and assassinate abortion doctors. These folks and Islamic terrorist are one in the same.


I guess Neil is just ignorant of the fact that many of the scientists of the past (and present) were, and are, bible believing Christians who believe in a special creation only 7000 years or so ago.

But then, the facts don't matter when it's Christianity you are slamming.


Thanks for bringing this up so I could point that out...I appreciate you doing your part.
No...not thin skinned, just a bit tired of misinfo... (show quote)

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Dec 30, 2014 09:53:34   #
Indepen
 
rpavich wrote:
No...not thin skinned, just a bit tired of misinformation masquerading as news.

Our buddy Neil is as mis-informed as they come when it comes to anything Christian or much of science as it relates to Christianity either.

I noticed that nobody writes things about Islam or slams Islam with the same fervor as they do Christianity...lol...I wonder if it's because Christians don't fire-bomb those who disagree?

Christians in this country only fire bomb abortion clinics and assassinate abortion doctors. These folks and Islamic terrorist are one in the same.


I guess Neil is just ignorant of the fact that many of the scientists of the past (and present) were, and are, bible believing Christians who believe in a special creation only 7000 years or so ago.

But then, the facts don't matter when it's Christianity you are slamming.


Thanks for bringing this up so I could point that out...I appreciate you doing your part.
No...not thin skinned, just a bit tired of misinfo... (show quote)

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Dec 30, 2014 09:55:39   #
Bangee5 Loc: Louisiana
 
thom w wrote:
Why is it easier to believe that god just always was than that one day there wasn't life and the next day there was. I'm not trying to throw rocks at your religion I just don't understand that.


I find it just as hard to believe that one day there was no such thing as night and day then suddenly there was this big bang that no one can explain what made it possible and out of that big bang life appeared on one planet out of a billion planets - all of this without outside help of any kind.

God is the name given to a force that can not be explained nor understood. You want to call it evolution but evolution can not explain how it happen. You say that man created God when it was God that created man.

I find your belief harder to believe than my own belief yet we both accept our beliefs on faith.

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Dec 30, 2014 10:18:44   #
James Shaw
 
LarJgrip wrote:
Who were guided by an infallible Spirit.

Well, yes, some believe what you say. Others have their own opinions (beliefs).

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Dec 30, 2014 10:20:28   #
James Shaw
 
coot wrote:
Newton was not only a great scientist but also a devoted christian. He spent his life very successfully seeking the knowledge of how God does things. To my mind both Newton and Jesus are true super heroes.


:thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup:

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Dec 30, 2014 10:33:38   #
venturer9 Loc: Newton, Il.
 
thom w wrote:
Why is it easier to believe that god just always was than that one day there wasn't life and the next day there was. I'm not trying to throw rocks at your religion I just don't understand that.



No one said it was easier,,,, just that it is more likely to be correct...

The discussions are useless in any case as one cannot PROVE either.

Mike

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