amadjuster Loc: Amarillo, TX

I asked Larry what crime Patrick committed and his response was to read a Texas Monthly article. Larry and I were communicating about bankruptcy and you come in with lynching? If Larry can show me what alleged crime Dan Patrick allegedly committed, then I can have an idea why Larry uses the term "criminal".
Are you claiming Dan Patrick was a member of the KKK (like Larry and Whole 2th's hero David Duke) and participated in lynchings? This comparison by a self proclaimed genius is puzzling.

larrypayne Loc: Texas Hill Country

Common sense and a compassion for the living is something you are born with (or not).
I was lucky to have been born with both. I don't need a book of fables to tell me how to live my life--especially one which allows others to manipulate the believers.

larrypayne Loc: Texas Hill Country

James, you're entering dangerous territory. You are actually trying to debate an issue rather than merely insulting my intelligence.

Eyewitnesses can be bought. The $2.3 trillion missing from the Pentagon budget could buy out just about everyone in this country as an eyewitness.

You fail to consider access to the entire Pentagon complex is controlled by the perpetrators. They could plant any f**e evidence they needed at the scene.

Their biggest problem was the size of the hole in the Pentagon.

The hole was much too small for a 757 to enter, yet there was no 757 wreckage on the Pentagon lawn.

Where were the bodies, luggage, seats, passenger personal effects?

If this had been a real airliner crash, there would have been bodies and wreckage strewn all over the lawn.

It was a missile or it could have even been bombs that had been pre-planted.

These sources can't be refuted:

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=71c_1311362426

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OHeYFTPG4KQ

amadjuster Loc: Amarillo, TX

Why is your "common" sense any better that someone else's? If a Z*****t claims he was born with "common" sense, who are you to say your's is better?

PNagy Loc: Missouri City, Texas

larrypayne: Common sense and a compassion for the living is something you are born with (or not).
I was lucky to have been born with both. I don't need a book of fables to tell me how to live my life--especially one which allows others to manipulate the believers.


Amadjuster: Why is your "common" sense any better that someone else's? If a Z*****t claims he was born with "common" sense, who are you to say your's is better?


Nagy: There is no common sense in Z*****m. Z*****m is rapacity. It is the idea that Jews who had not comprised the majority of the residents of Palestine had the right to run off the natives, take their land, and declare their now state over the corpse of the legitimate one.

James Shaw

Again, I repeat that Larry has neither common sense or compassion. He is a h**e monger without either.

Regarding Nagy's statement:
"It is the idea that Jews who had not comprised the majority of the residents of Palestine had the right to run off the natives, take their land, and declare their now state over the corpse of the legitimate one."

That scenario is likely to change with time. WWII is now over, and Israel will be looked at differently by others as time goes by. It is already being look at differently by its own people. They will not always be the "favored ones" in others eyes.

However, in Israel's favor, possession is, "as the saying goes," nine-tenths of the law, and they are making hay while the sun shines.

PNagy Loc: Missouri City, Texas

James Shaw:Again, I repeat that Larry has neither common sense or compassion. He is a h**e monger without either.

Regarding Nagy's statement:
"It is the idea that Jews who had not comprised the majority of the residents of Palestine had the right to run off the natives, take their land, and declare their now state over the corpse of the legitimate one."

That scenario is likely to change with time. WWII is now over, and Israel will be looked at differently by others as time goes by. It is already being look at differently by its own people. They will not always be the "favored ones" in others eyes.

However, in Israel's favor, possession is, "as the saying goes," nine-tenths of the law, and they are making hay while the sun shines.

Nagy: Mr.Shaw is trying to have it both ways. He is accusing Larry of being h**e monger, but somehow does not view himself as one, when he justifies the theft of an entire nation's territory by the statement that possession is nine-tenths of the law. If that were applied on there personal level, wh**ever anyone stole or robbed would be his.

If moral factors mean bother to Mr.Shaw, he should take into consideration international law. UN Resolution 181 established Israeli borders, but Israel expanded them illegally in 1947. UN Resolution 194 requires either the return or the compensation of three quarters of a million Arabs expelled by brutal Israeli terrorist force. UN Resolution 242 requires the return of territory taken by Israel in 1967. The Fourth Geneva Convention lists the responsibilities of occupying powers. Israel is in violation of all of that. It has just about dealt Palestinian nationality a death blow, but Mr. Shaw considers does not think Israeli policy is based on hatred; only its critics are h**e mongers. It is difficult to understand how he can hold such an inverted view.

amadjuster Loc: Amarillo, TX

Well, what act of criminality did Dan Patrick commit? I actually asked you that question and you chose to step in and answer a question I asked Larry. I find your choices of which one to answer to be quite revealing.

larrypayne Loc: Texas Hill Country

It's obvious the sun is not shining so brightly on Israel these days.

Israeli President Reuven Rivlin said recently that it's time to admit that Israel is a sick society that needs treatment.

President Rivlin went on to ask this question, “I’m not asking if they’ve forgotten how to be Jews, but if they’ve forgotten how to be decent human beings. Have they forgotten how to converse?”

http://www.jpost.com/Israel-News/Politics-And-Diplomacy/President-Rivlin-Time-to-admit-that-Israel-is-a-sick-society-that-needs-treatment-379223

James Shaw

I, Mr. Nagy, unlike Larry, do not h**e, Jews or others, and neither do I try to have it both ways, as you say.

Again, I repeat that Larry has neither common sense or compassion. He is a h**e monger without either. I don't h**e Larry. I think he needs serious help.

Come on, Nagy, Americans (Europeans) drove off the natives in North America and put them on reservations, and I am not about to stand up and say we should give all of "their" land back to them. They refused to assimilate and that is their choice.

I am 1/16 Creek Indian, but the white man (I am that too) will fight to keep what was stolen from the native America Indians. The American Government during the past several hundred years has made countless treaties with the American natives (Indians) and has broken almost all of them.

Unfortunately or not, Mr. Nagy, this is the real world. You believe in an ideal world. Possession is 9/10 of the law. Only how we look at changes and deal with them in a civil way matters, and how we relate to each other in a civil way is most important.

War no more, I h**e war, but there will be more. Just human nature Mr. Nagy, and that is unfortunate.

larrypayne Loc: Texas Hill Country

This is an excerpt from the site you linked which explains logically what happened to the 757 and its passengers:

"Security video at Dulles shows that Hanjour along with 4 other Saudis boarded AA77. These 5 would have been able to overpower the captain and first officer and take over the cockpit. But who was going to fly the plane? Among the 58 passengers onboard there were 3 fully capable of flying a 757. What are the odds of that? After the fly-over the plane was likely flown to a secure military installation since landing at any civilian airport could have been observed, which would have blown the deception. Everyone onboard had to be k**led. One possible way of doing it quickly would have been to have nerve gas automatically released from hidden canisters on the plane as soon as it came to a stop. Sarin-C gas paralyses in 30 seconds and is lethal in 2 minutes. No one would have gotten out of the plane alive. The bodies and all personal effects were removed, taken to a cremation facility and incineated, some completely, some partially. The remains were then t***sported to Dover Air Force Base mortuary for identification. The plane was dismantled, all identifying components destroyed, and the rest hauled to scrap yards."

No hole big enough for a 757 to enter, no bodies or wreckage on the lawn.

larrypayne Loc: Texas Hill Country

James, I have repeatedly requested that posters who make allegations that I'm a h**e monger back up those accusations with proof.

No one has yet been able to supply evidence that I'm a h**e monger.

If you're going to keep repeating that accusation, I challenge you to prove what you are claiming.

Your only contact with me is on this forum, so what you are accusing me of must be available to readers within the records of every thread I have participated in.

Show readers what I have written which gives you the right to label me a h**e monger.

If you can't do that readers will know once and for all that you are a lying fraud.

PNagy Loc: Missouri City, Texas

James Shaw: Come on, Nagy, Americans (Europeans) drove off the natives in North America and put them on reservations, and I am not about to stand up and say we should give all of "their" land back to them. They refused to assimilate and that is their choice.

I am 1/16 Creek Indian, but the white man (I am that too) will fight to keep what was stolen from the native America Indians. The American Government during the past several hundred years has made countless treaties with the American natives (Indians) and has broken almost all of them.

Nagy: What Mr. Shaw does not say here, but unequivocally implies is that since the United States mistreated American Indians, it is all right for the Israelis to do the same to the Palestinians. While it is true that the treatment of the American Indians was abominable, the comparison is misleading.

1. The American Indian is a full US citizen today, while Israeli is self-named “The Jewish State,” despite a critical minority of Christians and Muslims who live on the land. The US is not officially declared a “Christian,” or “caucasian” state.

2. The Palestinians in the occupied territories are kept as modern-day Helots. There is no equivalent for that in the US today.

3. International law has developed to the point of outlawing what the US visited on the Indians. As a matter of fact, there is no parallel situation in the world today in which an aggressive colonialist people are in the process of totally wiping out a nationality whose lands they have stolen. As a matter of fact, in the last extreme such case, that of South Africa, the entire rest of the world pressured for the end of the Apartheid system.

PNagy Loc: Missouri City, Texas

James Shaw: I am 1/16 Creek Indian, but the white man (I am that too) will fight to keep what was stolen from the native America Indians. The American Government during the past several hundred years has made countless treaties with the American natives (Indians) and has broken almost all of them.

Unfortunately or not, Mr. Nagy, this is the real world. You believe in an ideal world. Possession is 9/10 of the law. Only how we look at changes and deal with them in a civil way matters, and how we relate to each other in a civil way is most important.

War no more, I h**e war, but there will be more. Just human nature Mr. Nagy, and that is unfortunate.

Nagy: Possession is not 90% of the law. If you believe that, go rob someone and see if you can keep it. You also would do well to read up on some of the population t***sfers made after and during World War II. As a matter of fact, possession was not any percent of the law when in November of 1947 the United Nations violated its own charter to create the state of Israel. The Jews owned 6% of the land, and were a minority not just in Palestine, but even on the part of Palestine the US and the USSR blackmailed and bribed other nations to hand to the Jews.

Lastly, it is utterly inconsistent of you to judge on the moral grounds of his alleged hatred, while judging Israel on nothing but its ability to take Palestinians land by force. Which is your real criteria of judging history, Mr. Shaw, moral standards, or might makes right?

Hoot72 Loc: Lexington, KY

Founded or unfounded matters not. Yea or nay is only my opinion. However based on your past commentary that Israel is a lunatic state, that it controls many elements of American and other societies, calling what Israel does to further the safety of its state "crimes", etc., etc., etc. cause me to have the opinion that you do h**e Jews.