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Aug 5, 2014 11:56:51   #
bvm Loc: Glendale, Arizona
 
GeorgeH wrote:
We should recognize that Lincoln and Eisenhower, while they were Republicans of their time, would hardly be accepted as such by the current Republican party, which has been so far skewed to the lunatic fringe right that genuine Republicans of only 20 or 30 years ago would hardly realize it. Richard Nixon, for example, brought about the EPA, a favorite whipping boy of the current Repubs; he also advocated a national health care system and a national living wage. Horrors! Eisenhower, as previously noted, began NASA and the interstate highway system, surely despicable examples of "big gummint." Even St Ronald, the supposed icon of today's Repubs, was willing to work across the aisle, and RAISED TAXES numerous times.
We should recognize that Lincoln and Eisenhower, w... (show quote)



So if " Even St Ronald, the supposed icon of today's Repubs, was willing to work across the aisle, and RAISED TAXES numerous times "

Than WHY OH WHY are Oblame-o and Harry and Nancy NOT, I say NOT willing to work across the aisle.

1.) BO, I will veto if it passes the senate and house ( which means it takes reps AND dems )

2.) Harry, by himself, has repeatedly tabled, shelved, and ignored over 350 current bills that have been passed in the house.

3.)His leader BO makes Harry look like such a dunce.

When the elections change the senate, BO will say " I didn't know Harry was doing this till I read it in the newspapers"
He'll throw that SOB right under the bus .

4.) Now take Nancy, a senile, foolish bully, who really does need a teleprompter.

She can't even say "I am" without confusing her listeners.

5.) Bills are proposed. the HOUSE AND the SENATE ( hear that Harry? ) vote.

If it passes both houses, the president vetoes or signs it.

We at present have a dictator in the white house who has no regard for the Constitution, it's his way or else.

You can go back and forth over the last 150 years and argue who did what.

But what matters now is the crisis the country is going through NOW.

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Aug 5, 2014 11:58:34   #
idaholover Loc: Nampa ID
 
bvm wrote:
So if " Even St Ronald, the supposed icon of today's Repubs, was willing to work across the aisle, and RAISED TAXES numerous times "

Than WHY OH WHY are Oblame-o and Harry and Nancy NOT, I say NOT willing to work across the aisle.

1.) BO, I will veto if it passes the senate and house ( which means it takes reps AND dems )

2.) Harry, by himself, has repeatedly tabled, shelved, and ignored over 350 current bills that have been passed in the house.

3.)His leader BO makes Harry look like such a dunce.

When the elections change the senate, BO will say " I didn't know Harry was doing this till I read it in the newspapers"
He'll throw that SOB right under the bus .

4.) Now take Nancy, a senile, foolish bully, who really does need a teleprompter.

She can't even say "I am" without confusing her listeners.

5.) Bills are proposed. the HOUSE AND the SENATE ( hear that Harry? ) vote.

If it passes both houses, the president vetoes or signs it.

We at present have a dictator in the white house who has no regard for the Constitution, it's his way or else.

You can go back and forth over the last 150 years and argue who did what.

But what matters now is the crisis the country is going through NOW.
So if " Even St Ronald, the supposed icon o... (show quote)


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Aug 5, 2014 12:00:18   #
richard-sports Loc: New York City
 
" funny how dems think that Lincoln who was responsible for the Emancipation Proclamation was one of theirs, he was definitely a republican."

Yes, true, but he would never be a Republican now. can you imagine Lincoln and Ted Cruz in the same party now??
Never happen.

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Aug 5, 2014 12:03:08   #
rocketride Loc: Upstate NY
 
marblclear wrote:
Of course you find it offensive, you have no self awareness do you. All you conservative types constantly talk down to anyone who doesn't agree with you.


As opposed to your gang's dignity and lack of sneering, I suppose.

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Aug 5, 2014 12:03:16   #
PNagy Loc: Missouri City, Texas
 
"You have said nothing, you are just like the Red Coats that our conservative founders fought against, the British thought that they were so superior, so much more enlightened and educated, they looked down their long noses and laughed at the colonists.... The Brits, like the progressives of today were elitists, you folks want to tell the rest of us what to do as you demand more and more from us in the way of taxes and as you wish to regulate our daily lives.... No thanks, two hundred and thirty some odd years later little has changed."

Juxtaposed against the body of work presented by Blurreyed, this is self contradictory. He is filled with the paranoid fear that the poor are stealing his money. The Democrats are the mendacious politicians who somehow manage to take corporate and other plutocratic campaign funds, but once in power, turn agains their own sponsors by building a welfare society in which almost no one works. somehow, the plutocracy keeps handing them money, nevertheless. Here, he adds that the British and the progressives -a kind of liberal- are elitists. It now appears that in his dictionary the word elite refers to ordinary and poor people, not the economically privileged. Why have words at all if one can make up their definitions on the fly?

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Aug 5, 2014 12:03:33   #
Charlie44
 
idaholover wrote:
Car insurance is to protect the guy you hit, that is known as liability. You are not required to have collision insurance. Home owner insurance is not legally required by the state only the mortgage company to protect their investment. You have the right to be stupid with your own house. The ACA is a takeover of 20% of the economy and it is not beneficial to it.


The reason it makes sense to require health insurance is so when you get sick and have to go to the emergency room the rest of us don't get stuck with the tab because you don't have insurance. The point I was trying to make regarding auto insurance is that if you are in a an accident through no fault of your own, if you used the health insurance company's model they would consider that accident a "per-exisiting condition" and deny you the ability to purchase insurance going forward. If everyone were required to go to a government owned and run clinic or hospital to get their medical care that would be a government takeover. The ACA isn't

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Aug 5, 2014 12:07:36   #
bob44044 Loc: Ohio
 
pjferrante wrote:
The ACA was not a conservative accomplishment. Medicare and Medicaid were not conservative accomplishments. The Voting Rights Act was not a conservative accomplishment. The Space Program was not a conservative accomplishment. The Interstate Highway System wan not a conservative accomplishment. Social Security was not a conservative accomplishment. Recovering from the Great Depression was not a conservative accomplishment. The Emancipation Proclamation (an executive order) was not a conservative accomplishment. Indeed, "We the People" would still be British subjects had the Founding Fathers been conservatives. So let's hear it. What have been the great conservative accomplishments in our history?
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Another Democrat lie bites the dust:

The Emancipation Proclamation (an executive order) was not a Democrat accomplishment.

The Emancipation Proclamation was an executive order, but it was only took effect in the states that had succeeded from the union. Lincoln, legally could not and he did not free the slaves in states that remained in the union. That had to be done thru legislative action. By the way Lincoln was a Republican. Landmark Legislation coming from Republicans: Thirteenth, Fourteenth, & Fifteenth Amendments.

The Thirteenth Amendment, ratified by the states on December 6, 1865, abolished slavery “within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction.” Congress required former Confederate states to ratify the Thirteenth Amendment as a condition of regaining federal representation.

Ratified July 9, 1868, the Fourteenth Amendment granted citizenship to all persons "born or naturalized in the United States," including former slaves, and provided all citizens with “equal protection under the laws,” extending the provisions of the Bill of Rights to the states.

Ratified February 3, 1870, the Fifteenth Amendmentprohibited states from disenfranchising voters “on account of race, color, or previous condition of servitude.”

The Reconstruction amendments to the Constitution extended new constitutional protections to blacks,
By the way, it was the Democrats that were for keeping slavery, resulting in the civil war. And later, it was Democrats that started the KKK.

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Aug 5, 2014 12:10:05   #
idaholover Loc: Nampa ID
 
Charlie44 wrote:
The reason it makes sense to require health insurance is so when you get sick and have to go to the emergency room the rest of us don't get stuck with the tab because you don't have insurance. The point I was trying to make regarding auto insurance is that if you are in a an accident through no fault of your own, if you used the health insurance company's model they would consider that accident a "per-exisiting condition" and deny you the ability to purchase insurance going forward. If everyone were required to go to a government owned and run clinic or hospital to get their medical care that would be a government takeover. The ACA isn't
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Why should the rest of us pay the emergency room tab in the first place? That should be your responsibility!

"government takeover. The ACA isn't[/quote]"
That's next.

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Aug 5, 2014 12:10:59   #
bob44044 Loc: Ohio
 
pjferrante wrote:
The ACA was not a conservative accomplishment. Medicare and Medicaid were not conservative accomplishments. The Voting Rights Act was not a conservative accomplishment. The Space Program was not a conservative accomplishment. The Interstate Highway System wan not a conservative accomplishment. Social Security was not a conservative accomplishment. Recovering from the Great Depression was not a conservative accomplishment. The Emancipation Proclamation (an executive order) was not a conservative accomplishment. Indeed, "We the People" would still be British subjects had the Founding Fathers been conservatives. So let's hear it. What have been the great conservative accomplishments in our history?
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Another liberl Lie bites the dust:

Interstate Highway System

The Dwight D. Eisenhower National System of Interstate and Defense Highways (commonly known as the Interstate Highway System, Interstate Freeway System, Interstate System, or simply the Interstate) is a network of freeways that forms a part of the National Highway System of the United States. The system is named for President Dwight D. Eisenhower, who championed its formation.

Construction was authorized by the Federal Aid Highway Act of 1956, and the original portion was completed 35 years later.

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Aug 5, 2014 12:18:39   #
travelwp Loc: New Jersey
 
Cykdelic wrote:
The real joke is the Dems need to hijack the GOP presidents because theirs suck so much.

Know what really makes Lincoln roll over in his grave? Obama claiming to be just like him!


:thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup:

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Aug 5, 2014 12:25:44   #
Duckfart Loc: Olympia, Washington
 
Didn't know the American Canine Association was such a hot topic.

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Aug 5, 2014 12:27:52   #
Blurryeyed Loc: NC Mountains.
 
richard-sports wrote:
" funny how dems think that Lincoln who was responsible for the Emancipation Proclamation was one of theirs, he was definitely a republican."

Yes, true, but he would never be a Republican now. can you imagine Lincoln and Ted Cruz in the same party now??
Never happen.


Oh, I am not so sure, the republican party has its share of statists.... and that is what Lincoln was, the picture that liberals have of Lincoln as the great emancipator is somewhat colored with wishful revisionism, it is true that slavery was a big part of what tore the states apart, but it was not the only issue and it was not the issue that most concerned Lincoln.

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In an 1858 letter, Lincoln said, “I have declared a thousand times, and now repeat that, in my opinion neither the General Government, nor any other power outside of the slave states, can constitutionally or rightfully interfere with slaves or slavery where it already exists.” In a Springfield, Ill., speech, he explained, “My declarations upon this subject of negro slavery may be misrepresented, but can not be misunderstood. I have said that I do not understand the Declaration (of Independence) to mean that all men were created equal in all respects.” Debating with Sen. Stephen Douglas, Lincoln said, “I am not, nor ever have been, in favor of … making voters or jurors of Negroes nor of qualifying them to hold office nor to intermarry with white people; and I will say in addition to this that there is a physical difference between the white and black races, which I believe will forever forbid the two races living together on terms of social and political equality.”
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http://www.frontpagemag.com/2013/walter-williams/the-truth-about-abraham-lincoln-slavery/

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Almost 150 years after it was proposed by Abraham Lincoln, black colonization still ranks among the most controversial and least understood policies of the Civil War. Premised upon racial separation, this movement sought to establish a distinct black nationality by removing the slave population to Liberia and the Caribbean. It rightly strikes the modern reader as a relic of racial bigotry and misguided paternalism. Yet for the better part of the war, the United States government extensively studied and even subsidized black resettlement.
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http://www.britannica.com/blogs/2011/04/lincoln-blackcolonization-emancipation/


From his First Inaugural Address

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Apprehension seems to exist among the people of the Southern States that by the accession of a Republican Administration their property and their peace and personal security are to be endangered. There has never been any reasonable cause for such apprehension. Indeed, the most ample evidence to the contrary has all the while existed and been open to their inspection. It is found in nearly all the published speeches of him who now addresses you. I do but quote from one of those speeches when I declare that—

I have no purpose, directly or indirectly, to interfere with the institution of slavery in the States where it exists. I believe I have no lawful right to do so, and I have no inclination to do so.


Those who nominated and elected me did so with full knowledge that I had made this and many similar declarations and had never recanted them; and more than this, they placed in the platform for my acceptance, and as a law to themselves and to me, the clear and emphatic resolution which I now read:
Resolved, That the maintenance inviolate of the rights of the States, and especially the right of each State to order and control its own domestic institutions according to its own judgment exclusively, is essential to that balance of power on which the perfection and endurance of our political fabric depend; and we denounce the lawless invasion by armed force of the soil of any State or Territory, no matter what pretext, as among the gravest of crimes.


I now reiterate these sentiments, and in doing so I only press upon the public attention the most conclusive evidence of which the case is susceptible that the property, peace, and security of no section are to be in any wise endangered by the now incoming Administration. I add, too, that all the protection which, consistently with the Constitution and the laws, can be given will be cheerfully given to all the States when lawfully demanded, for whatever cause—as cheerfully to one section as to another.

There is much controversy about the delivering up of fugitives from service or labor. The clause I now read is as plainly written in the Constitution as any other of its provisions:

"No person held to service or labor in one State, under the laws thereof, escaping into another, shall in consequence of any law or regulation therein be discharged from such service or labor, but shall be delivered up on claim of the party to whom such service or labor may be due."


It is scarcely questioned that this provision was intended by those who made it for the reclaiming of what we call fugitive slaves; and the intention of the lawgiver is the law. All members of Congress swear their support to the whole Constitution—to this provision as much as to any other. To the proposition, then, that slaves whose cases come within the terms of this clause "shall be delivered up" their oaths are unanimous. Now, if they would make the effort in good temper, could they not with nearly equal unanimity frame and pass a law by means of which to keep good that unanimous oath?

There is some difference of opinion whether this clause should be enforced by national or by State authority, but surely that difference is not a very material one. If the slave is to be surrendered, it can be of but little consequence to him or to others by which authority it is done. And should anyone in any case be content that his oath shall go unkept on a merely unsubstantial controversy as to how it shall be kept?
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http://www.bartleby.com/124/pres31.html

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Aug 5, 2014 12:29:33   #
rocketride Loc: Upstate NY
 
idaholover wrote:
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That's next.


The galling part is that they use the fact they've unconstitutionally started paying for things like health care as an excuse to control our behavior so as to reduce the amount they're paying out. They have no legitimate business paying out ANY of it in the first place.

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Aug 5, 2014 12:30:50   #
rocketride Loc: Upstate NY
 
Duckfart wrote:
Didn't know the American Canine Association was such a hot topic.


It was such a DOG of a bill. . .

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Aug 5, 2014 12:31:33   #
DaveYoung
 
Who was president when National Guard troops were ordered to force school integration? Johnson was president when the "Great Society" was started, but which party came through with the votes in Congress to enact it?

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