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Jul 18, 2014 12:44:49   #
idaholover Loc: Nampa ID
 
RustyEire wrote:
You know, if you'd remove your aluminum helmet for a brief second or two, stop fulminating and foaming at the mouth, and climb off your wingnut grandstand, you might consider that it just might be as simple as the State Department attempting to contact all next of kin before satisfying Blurry's 1-day old and getting older deep curiosity about all the facts. There are military, legal, political, and practical ramifications to a horrendous incident like this, and the President and State Department (and NSA and Defense Department) have serious issues and actions to consider---a tad more important than vomiting every conceivable bit of factual information into Blurry's lap to satisfy his curiosity or deflect his (umpteenth) recitation that something more sinister and scandalous is going on---and by god he should know about it. Now, goddammit!

The story will come out in its entirety in the fullness of time (which time should not be altogether that long, given US satellites trained on that area for the last several months as a result of the conflict).

We're all really sorry, Blurry, that you've been left in the dark by the White House and the State Department. I'm writing a letter to my congressman right now urging him to rectify the matter by connecting you post-haste to the necessary Intelligence Committees so you can have all the facts at your disposal.
You know, if you'd remove your aluminum helmet for... (show quote)

"We're all really sorry, Blurry, that you've been left in the dark by the White House and the State Department."

You mean like he and all the rest of us are still in the dark about "Fast and Furious", "Benghazi", "IRS", "NSA" and now this!

http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2014/07/hilda-solis-illegally-solicited-funds-for-obama-campaign.php

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Jul 18, 2014 12:45:10   #
wilpharm Loc: Oklahoma
 
RustyEire wrote:
You know, if you'd remove your aluminum helmet for a brief second or two, stop fulminating and foaming at the mouth, and climb off your wingnut grandstand, you might consider that it just might be as simple as the State Department attempting to contact all next of kin before satisfying Blurry's 1-day old and getting older deep curiosity about all the facts. There are military, legal, political, and practical ramifications to a horrendous incident like this, and the President and State Department (and NSA and Defense Department) have serious issues and actions to consider---a tad more important than vomiting every conceivable bit of factual information into Blurry's lap to satisfy his curiosity or deflect his (umpteenth) recitation that something more sinister and scandalous is going on---and by god he should know about it. Now, goddammit!

The story will come out in its entirety in the fullness of time (which time should not be altogether that long, given US satellites trained on that area for the last several months as a result of the conflict).

We're all really sorry, Blurry, that you've been left in the dark by the White House and the State Department. I'm writing a letter to my congressman right now urging him to rectify the matter by connecting you post-haste to the necessary Intelligence Committees so you can have all the facts at your disposal.
You know, if you'd remove your aluminum helmet for... (show quote)


You should know by now that if you are waiting on the halfrican to seriously address serious issues you might have a long wait for
for a wimp-ass explanationÂ…6 years and you haven't figured this out>>

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Jul 18, 2014 12:48:28   #
sirlensalot Loc: Arizona
 
I prefer waiting as the story unfolds before dabbling in speculation. Not to say we will hear the actual facts when they are finally reported.

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Jul 18, 2014 12:56:51   #
venturer9 Loc: Newton, Il.
 
usnpilot wrote:
Spell check would not have fixed that since you is a word. Does everyone on this site resort to name calling or only those with nothing important to say?


Well,,, everyone does not call names on this site.... but almost all get a bit ticked off when someone attempts to show their superior intelligence by correcting a simple misspelling of a word... Especially when that misspelling had no bearing on the understanding of the comment being made...

Mike

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Jul 18, 2014 12:59:24   #
venturer9 Loc: Newton, Il.
 
usnpilot wrote:
Still doesn't answer the question. There is way too much juvenile name calling on this site.



Well, as someone will say it, and it might as well be me... Go away if you are not comfortable in playing with the juveniles of the forum...

Mike

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Jul 18, 2014 12:59:57   #
Blurryeyed Loc: NC Mountains.
 
RustyEire wrote:
You know, if you'd remove your aluminum helmet for a brief second or two, stop fulminating and foaming at the mouth, and climb off your wingnut grandstand, you might consider that it just might be as simple as the State Department attempting to contact all next of kin before satisfying Blurry's 1-day old and getting older deep curiosity about all the facts. There are military, legal, political, and practical ramifications to a horrendous incident like this, and the President and State Department (and NSA and Defense Department) have serious issues and actions to consider---a tad more important than vomiting every conceivable bit of factual information into Blurry's lap to satisfy his curiosity or deflect his (umpteenth) recitation that something more sinister and scandalous is going on---and by god he should know about it. Now, goddammit!

The story will come out in its entirety in the fullness of time (which time should not be altogether that long, given US satellites trained on that area for the last several months as a result of the conflict).

We're all really sorry, Blurry, that you've been left in the dark by the White House and the State Department. I'm writing a letter to my congressman right now urging him to rectify the matter by connecting you post-haste to the necessary Intelligence Committees so you can have all the facts at your disposal.
You know, if you'd remove your aluminum helmet for... (show quote)


Crusty, I am so glad that I have awakened you, it is truly good to see you out from under your rock....

Yes, you may be right about giving some time to the situation, guess that I have been a little too caught up in the border situation, the non existent IRS investigation, the prosecution of whistle blowers, the VA scandal and coverup of that culture of corruption, and of course the silencing of the press through denied access, and other fine examples of sunlight shinning down on the federal government, but it does seem that you may be right. It is questionable that there were 23 Americans aboard as reported by Rueters yesterday, maybe I did indeed jump the gun.

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Jul 18, 2014 13:13:46   #
CatMarley Loc: North Carolina
 
RustyEire wrote:
You know, if you'd remove your aluminum helmet for a brief second or two, stop fulminating and foaming at the mouth, and climb off your wingnut grandstand, you might consider that it just might be as simple as the State Department attempting to contact all next of kin before satisfying Blurry's 1-day old and getting older deep curiosity about all the facts. There are military, legal, political, and practical ramifications to a horrendous incident like this, and the President and State Department (and NSA and Defense Department) have serious issues and actions to consider---a tad more important than vomiting every conceivable bit of factual information into Blurry's lap to satisfy his curiosity or deflect his (umpteenth) recitation that something more sinister and scandalous is going on---and by god he should know about it. Now, goddammit!

The story will come out in its entirety in the fullness of time (which time should not be altogether that long, given US satellites trained on that area for the last several months as a result of the conflict).

We're all really sorry, Blurry, that you've been left in the dark by the White House and the State Department. I'm writing a letter to my congressman right now urging him to rectify the matter by connecting you post-haste to the necessary Intelligence Committees so you can have all the facts at your disposal.
You know, if you'd remove your aluminum helmet for... (show quote)


Passengers have to have passports, and the nationality breakdown of every flight is knowable instantly around the world in this day of electronic communication. There is no national security or any other consideration that is confidential in nature, so the concealment of that sort of information raises questions immediately.

Right now our government is moving people all around the country without identification, not knowing who they are or why they are here, and they are doing it secretly - tens of thousands of them are boarding planes that you cannot board without a photo ID. I bet you don't think you have a right to know why they are concealing the facts from you. You trust Big Brother to have YOUR best interests at heart, don't you. As they say here in the South, "Bless your heart!"

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Jul 18, 2014 13:19:28   #
wj cody Loc: springfield illinois
 
CatMarley wrote:
Did Putin's troops posing as Ukranian protesters shoot down a commercial jetliner? It came down from 30,000 feet - too high for shoulder fired rockets. They shot down a Ukranian cargo plane recently, as well as a Ukranian fighter. But Mr OB still thinks we need to cut our military.


are you suggesting an invasion of Russia? if so, you would need to institute the draft - or more realistically, that would not be needed as both of our countries have about 3,000 nuclear warheads on intercontinental ballistic missiles.

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Jul 18, 2014 13:22:15   #
usnpilot Loc: Ft Myers Fl
 
venturer9 wrote:
Well, as someone will say it, and it might as well be me... Go away if you are not comfortable in playing with the juveniles of the forum...

Mike


Irritating juveniles is fun, think I'll stick around for a while since, at least for the time being, we still have freedom of speech.
BTW, Cat thanked me for the correction.

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Jul 18, 2014 13:25:48   #
usnpilot Loc: Ft Myers Fl
 
CatMarley wrote:
No need to be snarky. Neither one of us was there, we both have access to the same reading material, and both have brains enough to understand what we read. I am not in a pissing contest with you - we just have a different take oin history. Anyhow as a male I'm sure you can piss a lot farther than I can.


Cat, at my age I'm lucky if my piss hits the ground so it might be a great contest.

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Jul 18, 2014 13:28:46   #
idaholover Loc: Nampa ID
 
usnpilot wrote:
Irritating juveniles is fun, think I'll stick around for a while since, at least for the time being, we still have freedom of speech.
BTW, Cat thanked me for the correction.


Most of us are adults here and I for one have enjoyed your back and forth with Cat! It is refreshing to have something substantive here! One of my favorite quotes from one of my favorite movies with Tom Selleck "Monty Walsh" goes something like this, "needlin people is what I do"!

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Jul 18, 2014 13:32:38   #
bvm Loc: Glendale, Arizona
 
Frank T wrote:
Cat,
I'm happy to see you're not alleging President Obama personally shot the jet down.
You've come a long way.



NO, He's the type who watches you get mugged.

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Jul 18, 2014 13:37:13   #
CatMarley Loc: North Carolina
 
wj cody wrote:
are you suggesting an invasion of Russia? if so, you would need to institute the draft - or more realistically, that would not be needed as both of our countries have about 3,000 nuclear warheads on intercontinental ballistic missiles.


Am I suggesting anything at all by asking a question? I don't think we can do a blessed thing about this. And I am absolutely certain we won't. The question is, What could have been done leading up to this point that might have averted this incident? Of course we could take the tact that who cares? we didn't do anything and that's it!

On the other hand one considers these things in hopes of learning something that can be applied to future situations. This administration had had Libya. Egypt, now Ukraine, which all could have been handled intelligently with a different outcome. But there is not much evidence of learning going on. So, just asking questions.

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Jul 18, 2014 13:38:05   #
usnpilot Loc: Ft Myers Fl
 
idaholover wrote:
Most of us are adults here and I for one have enjoyed your back and forth with Cat! It is refreshing to have something substantive here! One of my favorite quotes from one of my favorite movies with Tom Selleck "Monty Walsh" goes something like this, "needlin people is what I do"!


I enjoy witty repartee with Cat, she is quite intelligent and makes some very good points.
Thanks

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Jul 18, 2014 13:39:36   #
bvm Loc: Glendale, Arizona
 
dljen wrote:
Nobody *knows* for sure what happened, word is coming in every minute but right away you jump into blaming the president. I realize your children have chosen to be in the military but don't you think that their leaders would have a huge impact on how big the military is? Even the neocon, McCain wasn't ready to jump to conclusions. You were.

I heard that US airlines were forbidden by the FAA to fly over that space. If you're going to make a thread, why not supply facts? That would be better appreciated w/o the editorials.
Nobody *knows* for sure what happened, word is com... (show quote)


No ones attacking what's his name.
The entire world knows he better not get involved.

He will only screw that up too!

And then he'll deny that too.

Or blame the House.

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