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May 26, 2014 11:33:54   #
dljen Loc: Central PA
 
venturer9 wrote:
I see... Strong and sure of themselves women have the absolute perfect life... especially since they have the option, if not the "Requirement in your world" to get rid of that inconvenient little blob of tissue inside of them... How Nice..

I am not surprised at all that "Many Religious" women have aborted their babies,,,, in fact I know a few..... Human foibles do not surprise me at all... It does not mean that it is right in my and many others eyes to murder a child...

In at least 38 states (see below) it is considered murder if someone causes the death of a fetus by a criminal action...ie beating up the woman or shooting the woman and "accidentally" killing the unborn child....

Don't you find it strange that I could be accused of murder if I accidentally killed an Unborn Child while committing a crime upon the mother while she was on the way to killing that child herself...??

Currently, at least 38 states have fetal homicide laws. The states include: Alabama, Alaska, Arizona, Arkansas, California, Colorado, Florida, Georgia, Idaho, Illinois, Indiana, Iowa, Kansas, Kentucky, Louisiana, Maine, Maryland, Massachusetts, Michigan, Minnesota, Mississippi, Nebraska, Nevada, North Carolina, North Dakota, Ohio, Oklahoma, Pennsylvania, Rhode Island, South Carolina, South Dakota, Tennessee, Texas, Utah, Virginia, Washington, West Virginia and Wisconsin. At least 23 states have fetal homicide laws that apply to the earliest stages of pregnancy ("any state of gestation," "conception," "fertilization" or "post-fertilization");

You didn't bother to answer my question about the Father of the unborn child that the mother wants to kill.... It takes two to get that child started.... why should it not take two to decide to kill it..... Of course only the Female can carry that child to birth,,,but that is just a "mechanical" fact.... Yet when we were having children, my wife could have killed one of my children with out so much as a word to me...

Your last sentence above is one of the greatest indicators of the main difference between a Liberal and a Conservative.... Ignoring the fact that you are completely wrong about the Republican stance on "Born" babies.... your statement..

CHOICE........whose choice? At what point has the father been left out of the choice? At what stage of the pregnancy does the "IT" become a "Living Child"? If it is Choice to Abort a "late Term" pregnancy.... because it is inconvenient to have that child... what is wrong with Killing the Child after birth...it is still inconvenient isn't it.? What has happened to the CHOICE of the participants in creating that child to have CHOSEN to use birth control....?

Freedom of Abortion on Request............... isn't that wonderful... have a fling, get pregnant, present yourself to clinic and get rid of the problem... "NO FUSS NO MUSS" I haven't purchased a Condom since 5/24/1958 (wedding eve) but I don't imagine that they are a great deal more costly.... but lets see if they were $10.00 each and would prevent a (say) $300.00 abortion, wouldn't it make sense that today's MODERN WOMAN would have enough intelligence to do that.....

Do you realize that only hard left Liberals use the term BIBLE THUMPERS with such contempt... The bible is very clear on the subject of MURDER.......
#6 of 10 Commandments.... THOU SHALT NOT KILL.... but...
In biblical Hebrew, as in English, killing (harag) and murder (ratzah) are two different words with two very different moral connotations, and the commandment uses the Hebrew word ratzah, which means that the proper translation of the commandment from Hebrew into English is, "Thou shalt not murder." The difference is crucial.

often the Conservative is denigrated so...."Well, you believe in Capital Punishment but not abortion.....

CAPITAL PUNISHMENT.... penalty, adjudicated by Law for a Crime committed.
MURDER.... The willful taking of a life.

The only way you can get away from that is to consider that an unborn child at any point in the cycle as a NON PERSON.. Only becoming a "Child' when it takes its first breath of atmospheric air.

Mike
I see... Strong and sure of themselves women have ... (show quote)


Off your rant now? You and I just believe differently. Abortion isn't murder except to the bible thumpers. That's the trouble with you guys, you can't change with the times. I don't consider a blob of whatever you called it a child until it is born. I have no problem at all with abortion and support it. I wouldn't even tell the father.

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May 26, 2014 12:03:38   #
Michael O' Loc: Midwest right now
 
Los-Angeles-Shooter wrote:
Michelle Obama did a great job at raising awareness of the hundreds of girls kidnapped by terrorists in Africa. She lent credibility and awareness to #BringOutGirlsBack – the twitter hashtag devoted to making the world be informed about their terrible plight.

But where is Michelle Obama on another human rights victim — someone of interest to pro-life advocates and Christians around the world?

meriamThe First Lady has been silent on the plight of Meriam Ibrahim, the Christian woman sentenced to death in Sudan for rejecting Islam who is being shackled by Sudanese officials despite the fact she is eight-months pregnant. The Islamic court is waiting until Meriam Ibrahim, 26, gives birth before carrying out the sentence but she is reportedly held in chains until then.

SIGN THE PETITION! Save Meriam Ibrahim, Don’t Hang her to Death for Her Faith

Writing at The Federalist, Leslie Loftis takes Obama to task for her silence when it comes to Meriam.

It is easy to ignore the religious motivation for the girls’ kidnapping under the horrible drama of the actual event. But Meriam is in shackles in Sudan because she is a Christian. A Sudanese court has found her guilty of 1) adultery, for having sex with her husband—she is married to a Christian but since her absent father was Muslim, the court considers her a Muslim and therefore does not recognize the union, and 2) apostasy, refusal to renounce her Christian faith. For the adultery, she received a sentence of 100 lashes, stayed until she gives birth sometime in early June.

For the apostasy, she was sentenced to death, stayed until her baby turns two. (That turns the breast-is-best wars on it’s head. Breastfeeding is important enough to stay the execution, but the mother/child relationship is not enough for mercy? Ponder the attitudes toward women packed in that delay; they are plenty, but still not enough to overshadow the religious nature of this injustice.) And the reason her toddler is in the cell with her, the court also considers him Muslim based upon his maternal grandfather, therefore his Christian father is an unacceptable caregiver.

For Christian persecution, the US State Department, even at the behest of New Hampshire’s Senators, can hardly even muster a delayed and infamous-as-it-is-ineffective “sternly worded letter.” There is comparatively little press coverage. Not even a hashtag campaign.
Michelle Obama did a great job at raising awarenes... (show quote)


What Muslim has ever (safely) criticized any Muslims deadly actions in defense of their killer religion ? Michelle, Mrs fearless leader, only follows the crowd.

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May 26, 2014 12:07:34   #
venturer9 Loc: Newton, Il.
 
WELL what a surprise....

I did not become a "BIBLE THUMPER" Until I was 27 and before that I was as Heathenish as could be...... I had my first child at the age of 19 and I guarantee you that I would have been raising holy heck if I found out that my wife aborted one of our children...IT was murder then, it is murder now.

And although you couldn't care less.. I feel very sorry that anyone Feels that way.......and I can certainly understand your refusal to tell the father.... TOTAL LIBERAL MINDSET

Mike

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May 26, 2014 12:30:00   #
dljen Loc: Central PA
 
venturer9 wrote:
WELL what a surprise....

I did not become a "BIBLE THUMPER" Until I was 27 and before that I was as Heathenish as could be...... I had my first child at the age of 19 and I guarantee you that I would have been raising holy heck if I found out that my wife aborted one of our children...IT was murder then, it is murder now.

And although you couldn't care less.. I feel very sorry that anyone Feels that way.......and I can certainly understand your refusal to tell the father.... TOTAL LIBERAL MINDSET

Mike
WELL what a surprise.... br br I did not become... (show quote)


Spare me your phony outrage. Save it for your relatives who have had 5 illegitimate children. I hope the father's are paying for those children or is the government. These aren't just accidents, Mike, wake up. These women need to use birth control, I doubt they are educated. Why doesn't someone teach them what to do when they're having sex? And 3 different women? Clean your own house first.

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May 26, 2014 13:16:45   #
venturer9 Loc: Newton, Il.
 
dljen... Once again, the typical Liberal reaction..

PHONY OUTRAGE....you are not even close to my outrage which is not phony .

You have absolutely no idea of the situation of my grand Daughters And YES,,, all three are now married to the Baby's dads... None are on the Government teat. The Newest baby's mother and father were married the day after he was born.

You have absolutely no idea of what I told each of those girls after I found out that they were pregnant and not married...... I will give you a clue.... it was NOT a happy time for them....

WHAT THE HELL did I write before... USE CONTRACEPTION.....
It didn't bother you then, but now you are trying to use it to "bother me" Honey, I am long long past being bothered by liberal folk,,, I enjoy seeing how much of a rise I can get and you are a prime example of the bait takers..

You Doubt that they are educated....Hummmm you are one wonderful and knowledgeable woman, who has been able to cross three states with just your mind and pontificate on the education of three persons you do not know...

Fooled you One has a Bachelor Degree in Psychology, one is currently in 2nd year of Community College and the youngest (and last mother) starts at Community College in August.....

And why should anyone teach them what to do when having sex... All they have to do is hit the nearest Abortion Clinic and the problem is solved.

your answer to me, answered nothing I said..You choose to do, as you so often do, turn it into a "PHONY" set of accusations against me and my family... Percentage wise, I am not doing so bad.. 5 Children, all married before children were conceived.... 12 grand Children married and none had babies "Early" and 8 Greats of whom only the THREE under discussion old enough to be married.... SO my Family is just doing fine thank you and as much as I hate their actions I love them that much also....

You are, as some have already accused you of being, a "Vindictive and Accusatory Person" You speak with out knowledge of who and what you are speaking of, and youobviously are happy to do so, since it happens so often..

Mike

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May 26, 2014 13:20:41   #
dljen Loc: Central PA
 
venturer9 wrote:
dljen... Once again, the typical Liberal reaction..

PHONY OUTRAGE....you are not even close to my outrage which is not phony .

You have absolutely no idea of the situation of my grand Daughters And YES,,, all three are now married to the Baby's dads... None are on the Government teat. The Newest baby's mother and father were married the day after he was born.

You have absolutely no idea of what I told each of those girls after I found out that they were pregnant and not married...... I will give you a clue.... it was NOT a happy time for them....

WHAT THE HELL did I write before... USE CONTRACEPTION.....
It didn't bother you then, but now you are trying to use it to "bother me" Honey, I am long long past being bothered by liberal folk,,, I enjoy seeing how much of a rise I can get and you are a prime example of the bait takers..

You Doubt that they are educated....Hummmm you are one wonderful and knowledgeable woman, who has been able to cross three states with just your mind and pontificate on the education of three persons you do not know...

Fooled you One has a Bachelor Degree in Psychology, one is currently in 2nd year of Community College and the youngest (and last mother) starts at Community College in August.....

And why should anyone teach them what to do when having sex... All they have to do is hit the nearest Abortion Clinic and the problem is solved.

your answer to me, answered nothing I said..You choose to do, as you so often do, turn it into a "PHONY" set of accusations against me and my family... Percentage wise, I am not doing so bad.. 5 Children, all married before children were conceived.... 12 grand Children married and none had babies "Early" and 8 Greats of whom only the THREE under discussion old enough to be married.... SO my Family is just doing fine thank you and as much as I hate their actions I love them that much also....

You are, as some have already accused you of being, a "Vindictive and Accusatory Person" You speak with out knowledge of who and what you are speaking of, and youobviously are happy to do so, since it happens so often..

Mike
dljen... Once again, the typical Liberal reaction.... (show quote)


You are the one who offered your family history for all to see. If there were 5 illegitimate children in my family, I would not broadcast it. That isn't something to be proud of. Something is wrong somewhere.

Get off your rant, you're going to get sick.

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May 26, 2014 16:12:43   #
venturer9 Loc: Newton, Il.
 
dljen

Once again.. NO answers to comments made by me,,,just a veiled (or maybe not so veiled Insult.)

No, but if you had learned that your next door Conservative neighbor had those children, you would broadcast it...

You see...in my world of Conservative Values and Christian mores, the fact that I have 3 grand Daughters who do not follow what I would like, does not mean I hide them and only let them come out in the night time....

I am not ashamed of them, I was disappointed in their actions, but WOW, they have straightened up and are trying to make their lives and their childrens lives better.

There is nothing wrong with the way I think..... it is totally intelligent and based on common sense.

RANT... sweetie, you have not seen a RANT from me.... Read what I have written to you today... Not much on the way of ranting, a lot on the way of asking or answering your comments...

Below are the Comments you have made on this particular Forum …. think about them, ask yourself if many of these comments were made from your Personal knowledge or from the talking points of the Democratic National Convention.....
I will give you a clue to help your thinking... a goodly portion (maybe everything) of what you spout and apparently believe is untrue.


Seems the Muslims have the same opinions as Republicans about children, protect the child while it's in the womb, then the hell with it.

Abortion was legal the last time I checked. Yes, I am very pro-abortion. Unlike the hypocrites from the Repubs.

Yes, it is. They kept a woman alive in TX, I believe, when she was brain dead because she was pregnant. Finally, they found that the child would have had severe problems and pulled the plug. Once your child is born, they'll take away funding for it. I don't think abortion should be used as birth control, but I believe in it. SCOTUS will probably take it away from the women. It's strange how Repub men are "concerned" about women.

You and I are getting into religion again and that's one subject where we'll never agree. Democrats consider women to be a major part of their platform, unlike Republicans, they have angry, old, white men as the basis of theirs. Your side has crazy people, want to talk about Huckabee and his whacko "Libido" comments? Yes, there is a war on women by your side. 

For the most part, Republicans do NOT care about the children, yes, the unborn, but not once they are born.
And as we progress, laws change. So, why are Republicans trying to turn back the clock on abortion?

Some people regret abortion, strong women who are sure of themselves and life don't.
And, this should shake you, many, religious women have gotten abortions, they are the ones most regretting their choice because they have the problem of the bible thumpers telling them it's wrong. 

You seem to have an awful lot of unresolved problems, I just saw online where they were trying to get more mental health counselors for vets...perhaps when they get their house in order, you may want to apply.


Off your rant now? You and I just believe differently. Abortion isn't murder except to the bible thumpers. 

I don't consider a blob of whatever you called it a child until it is born. I have no problem at all with abortion and support it. I wouldn't even tell the father.

Mike

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May 26, 2014 18:15:42   #
cheineck Loc: Hobe Sound, FL
 
Going back to the original post, as much as I detest Michelle Obama I can't see how she could contribute to saving this woman's life outside of making a public statement. It's simply not up to her.

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May 26, 2014 19:55:28   #
venturer9 Loc: Newton, Il.
 
cheineck wrote:
Going back to the original post, as much as I detest Michelle Obama I can't see how she could contribute to saving this woman's life outside of making a public statement. It's simply not up to her.



very true.....

Mike

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