modest genius Loc: joshua tree park CA

good thread idea.

Peace. Canyon de Chelly.

gessman Loc: Colorado

Thank you. It does get dry and warm there, for sure.

gessman Loc: Colorado

I appreciate you wanting to be sensitive. As far as I've been able to tell from what I've read about the legality of posting such pictures here on UHH where there is no profit motive, it probably isn't illegal to post them here but you'll certainly have to let your conscience be your guide. If the pictures were made with no prohibition in a public place, they should be okay to post. We'd appreciate seeing them but don't want to encourage you to go against your better judgement. Thanks!

laskalass Loc: Land of the Midnight Sun

Well, even though Eskimos are not Indians...Im sure they are included....soo I'll go dredge up some of my cool eskimos shots.....but to begin with here is a picture of my adopted part Eskimo son and his family...his wife is Yupik from Nunavak Island where the muskox are.

same family christmas 2011

whitewitch Loc: Buffalo NY

That's a great picture! :-P

Janice Loc: Kentucky

I appreciate you wanting to be sensitive. As far as I've been able to tell from what I've read about the legality of posting such pictures here on UHH where there is no profit motive, it probably isn't illegal to post them here but you'll certainly have to let your conscience be your guide. If the pictures were made with no prohibition in a public place, they should be okay to post. We'd appreciate seeing them but don't want to encourage you to go against your better judgement. Thanks![/quote]

I think photojet may be more concerned about posting ceremonial pictures than legalities. But I should let photojet speak for theirself.
Sorry I will butt back out

gessman Loc: Colorado

Beautiful family and you're certainly right, they definitely do belong to "the" group. Thank you for posting and sharing them with us. I've been very interested in the dna research that's being done around the globe and it has been shown, if I remember correctly, that all the "Native Americans," Eskimos included, have a common gene from one man, a member of the nomadic Chukchi people, the reindeer herders, from a far eastern region of Siberia just across the Bering Strait from Alaska.

gessman Loc: Colorado

I think photojet may be more concerned about posting ceremonial pictures than legalities. But I should let photojet speak for theirself.
Sorry I will butt back out[/quote]

Please butt back in long enough to explain to me what the significance and consequences would be. I'm completely ignorant of why we would be concerned with any any special considerations of the ramifications of that. I have absolutely no experience or expertise about that, at all. Thanks Janice. :-)

Janice Loc: Kentucky

I think photojet may be more concerned about posting ceremonial pictures than legalities. But I should let photojet speak for theirself.
Sorry I will butt back out[/quote]

Please butt back in long enough to explain to me what the significance and consequences would be. I'm completely ignorant of why we would be concerned with any any special considerations of the ramifications of that. I have absolutely no experience or expertise about that, at all. Thanks Janice. :-)[/quote]

OK, from going to Pow Wows, I have learned there are times that they will ask you not to take photographs at all. At the times photography is allowed during the pow wows I don't think it should be an issue for it to be posted. I am not sure what ramifications, other than moral, there would be. If someone managed to sneak some photos at times no photography was requested, posting or even having those would be shameful, IMO.

gessman Loc: Colorado

Thanks for you contribution. I've been on the rim of Canyon de Chelly and even down in the canyon once. It's a magnificent place. I got to talk to some Navajo tribesmen who were selling pieces of petrified wood from the area.

I watched a documentary about dna studies of Native Americans and there were some Navajo people who were interviewed in the video from Canyon de Chelly. They had some very interesting comments about their ancestors and some of the "traditions" they had passed down regarding where the people came from, how they got there, etc.

gessman Loc: Colorado

Please butt back in long enough to explain to me what the significance and consequences would be. I'm completely ignorant of why we would be concerned with any any special considerations of the ramifications of that. I have absolutely no experience or expertise about that, at all. Thanks Janice. :-)[/quote]

OK, from going to Pow Wows, I have learned there are times that they will ask you not to take photographs at all. At the times photography is allowed during the pow wows I don't think it should be an issue for it to be posted. I am not sure what ramifications, other than moral, there would be. If someone managed to sneak some photos at times no photography was requested, posting or even having those would be shameful, IMO.[/quote]

Thanks for the information. It's helpful and useful. It pays, I hear, not to be ignorant and now I'm not, totally. :-)

Janice Loc: Kentucky

OK, from going to Pow Wows, I have learned there are times that they will ask you not to take photographs at all. At the times photography is allowed during the pow wows I don't think it should be an issue for it to be posted. I am not sure what ramifications, other than moral, there would be. If someone managed to sneak some photos at times no photography was requested, posting or even having those would be shameful, IMO.[/quote]

Thanks for the information. It's helpful and useful. It pays, I hear, not to be ignorant and now I'm not, totally. :-)[/quote]

Your welcome. Maybe someone else will know more. Photojet was talking about posting Pow Wow photos and didn't say if they were taken at "photography allowed" parts of the ceremony. If they were, which I am sure is the case, I think it would be ok to post them...
I imagine if you were seen taking photos during "no photography" parts they would ask for them to be deleted and probably watch to make sure it was done.

laskalass Loc: Land of the Midnight Sun

Well, Eskimos are upset if you call them Indians they claim to be a people apart....there is some new research that might also corroborate this assumption....if your interested here is a link to some recent research:
http://www.nature.com/news/2008/080529/full/news.2008.863.html

gessman Loc: Colorado

Thanks for the information. It's helpful and useful. It pays, I hear, not to be ignorant and now I'm not, totally. :-)[/quote]

Your welcome[/quote]

I've yet to attend a Pow Wow. My wife and I did extend the hospitality of our home to an indigent young adult female who had been kicked out of the home of her adoptive family and was sleeping in a sleeping bag beside a small lake with the ground covered in snow. She lived with us for almost a year and we found her to be, for whatever the reason, full of venom and a lot of very false ideas that she used as weapons to carry out her very one-sided agenda toward white people. For instance, my wife, who paints, had gathered some feathers in the woods to use in her painting and this young lady swarmed all over her for using sacred Indian instruments of worship without the permission of the Gods. She said that only her people were allowed to have eagle feathers. I asked her what about all those eagles in Europe - who did their feathers belong to. Of course, there was no answer. That was one of many things that occurred along those lines as I tried to disabuse her of her misinformation regarding the laws of our country of which she is a part, with all due respect for her sovereignty as a citizen of this country and a member of a Native American tribe.

This young lady, 24 years of age had been adopted by a Hispanic family off the Pine Ridge Reservation in South Dakota. She is Lakota Sioux. She had been a "guard" for Russel Means and his AIM movement and turned out to be quite militant. We finally had to take her to a woman's shelter because she had become so belligerent toward us.

You may imagine from my comments that I am not necessarily all that convinced that what I know is of much value except I do know that some folks will use whatever kind of power they think they have to control others whether there is any validity or not. I would respect any request to not take pictures at particular times and would not hesitate to display pictures taken at all other times in accordance with the law of the land and not be coerced into not doing what my legal rights permitted.

Janice Loc: Kentucky

Your welcome[/quote]

I've yet to attend a Pow Wow. My wife and I did extend the hospitality of our home to an indigent young adult female who had been kicked out of the home of her adoptive family and was sleeping in a sleeping bag beside a small lake with the ground covered in snow. She lived with us for almost a year and we found her to be, for whatever the reason, full of venom and a lot of very false ideas that she used as weapons to carry out her very one-sided agenda toward white people. For instance, my wife, who paints, had gathered some feathers in the woods to use in her painting and this young lady swarmed all over her for using sacred Indian instruments of worship without the permission of the Gods. She said that only her people were allowed to have eagle feathers. I asked her what about all those eagles in Europe - who did their feathers belong to. Of course, there was no answer. That was one of many things that occurred along those lines as I tried to disabuse her of her misinformation regarding the laws of our country of which she is a part, with all due respect for her sovereignty as a citizen of this country and a member of a Native American tribe.

This young lady, 24 years of age had been adopted by a Hispanic family off the Pine Ridge Reservation in South Dakota. She is Lakota Sioux. She had been a "guard" for Russel Means and his AIM movement and turned out to be quite militant. We finally had to take her to a woman's shelter because she had become so belligerent toward us.

You may imagine from my comments that I am not necessarily all that convinced that what I know is of much value except I do know that some folks will use whatever kind of power they think they have to control others whether there is any validity or not. I would respect any request to not take pictures at particular times and would not hesitate to display pictures taken at all other times in accordance with the law of the land and not be coerced into not doing what my legal rights permitted.[/quote]

Sounds like she needed a good spanking first and then an education in what her people actually believe. I don't really know what they believe either though. In KY it is illegal, I am told, to have feathers of any raptor. I don't know why. I think, it was said at a Pow wow that I attended that they had special permits to own eagle feathers, that was because eagles are protected birds. No longer endangered but still protected.
Like you, if no photography is requested I honor that. The rest is as you say.