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Jan 12, 2012 01:08:17 #
laskalass wrote:
Well, Eskimos are upset if you call them Indians t... (show quote)
I wasn't aware of that. Guess my passing on of the assumption about that needs to be retracted at least until further information is revealed. I will happily do that and will stand by in hopes that we'll get some more information before I get ready to get my ticket punched. I think they're putting a lot of strength on a single hair and I am aware of some past inconsistencies known to have come out of that lab in Cambridge, UK. I was also aware of the recent claims of probable travel along the ice shelf from Europe and know about the different similar spear points found both in Europe and here.
I'm also aware of the presumed connection espoused in the Solutrean hypothesis which links the Clovis spear point technology to points being made in Europe and not to be found in Siberia where the Native Americans were alleged to have originated, hence denying that the Native Americans were necessarily the first to occupy the land we call the U.S. I wasn't, however, aware of that one hair we're talking about in that article. That seems a little far-fetched to me, not that I'm expert enough to pass judgement on it. It'll be interesting.
I am further aware that there has been suspected evidence that the Chinese were here in ships as early as a suspected 5,000 years ago and there's archaeological efforts to substantiate that - which is why I said what I did in my explanation to tainkc when he asked how we tell who is a Native American, or whatever. I used the word "alleged" because the whole thing seems to be up in the air at this point. I didn't start this thread so I would have a platform to argue about something and I'm done commenting. I'm not an expert on these matters and am already way in over my head. :-)
All of that considered, I just want to say that I am not a stranger to dna testing and the work that has been done, and is being done, to follow the development of civilization around the globe but there may be a few points I've missed, especially since UHH had its origins. :-) I've had both mitochondrial (mtdna) and "Y" Chromosome dna tests run on my family. My paternal great grandmother was said to be full Cherokee and I wanted to know if the claim was a family rumor or if it was accurate. It turned out to be a rumor according to the mtdna tests I had run.
Jan 12, 2012 01:19:37 #
Well, thanks for your very informative comments. I'm not an expert about anything, but I do enjoy a lively well informed discussion about almost anything. So I hope you didnt take my comments and link as an abrasive observation. I am always interested in scientific research although Im by NO means some nerdy know-it-all.....I do read popular science and science Illustrated and Smithsonian...but I'm just a regular joe..er...jane?? Thanks for your comments!
gessman wrote:
quote=laskalass Well, Eskimos are upset if you ca... (show quote)
Jan 12, 2012 11:01:30 #
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"I've yet to attend a Pow Wow. My wife and I did extend the hospitality of our home to an indigent young adult female...."
It's a pity that you had an unpleasant experience..I suspect that NA's from the western regions may have more reason for resentment than those in the East where they resided more successfully side-by-side with the whiteman far earlier. It's also more difficult to find claims of being pure-blooded N/A since there has been a lot of intermarriage. Some remain, as well as those with close bonds such as one parent being N/A and the other of some other extraction who have chosen or have been brought up to follow the N/A way of life. Most of the people I've been in contact with are into sharing and/or educating the more positive side while there is always an awareness of historic events.
Most pow-wows are fairly open. When a ceremony performed is considered to be a sacred one, it is announced that no photographs are to be taken. If that etiquette would be breached, it is doubtful that a photograph would appear any different than those that are allowed, the exception would be a video account. Protocol is that permission be requested before taking anyone's picture although that is not always possible where the subject is not directly approached. We've only had one incident where the subject was reluctant until assured that it was not for commercial use, an Aztec Fire Dancer.
"I've yet to attend a Pow Wow. My wife and I did extend the hospitality of our home to an indigent young adult female...."
It's a pity that you had an unpleasant experience..I suspect that NA's from the western regions may have more reason for resentment than those in the East where they resided more successfully side-by-side with the whiteman far earlier. It's also more difficult to find claims of being pure-blooded N/A since there has been a lot of intermarriage. Some remain, as well as those with close bonds such as one parent being N/A and the other of some other extraction who have chosen or have been brought up to follow the N/A way of life. Most of the people I've been in contact with are into sharing and/or educating the more positive side while there is always an awareness of historic events.
Most pow-wows are fairly open. When a ceremony performed is considered to be a sacred one, it is announced that no photographs are to be taken. If that etiquette would be breached, it is doubtful that a photograph would appear any different than those that are allowed, the exception would be a video account. Protocol is that permission be requested before taking anyone's picture although that is not always possible where the subject is not directly approached. We've only had one incident where the subject was reluctant until assured that it was not for commercial use, an Aztec Fire Dancer.
Jan 12, 2012 18:07:54 #
[quote=laskalass]Well, thanks for your very informative comments. I'm not an expert about anything, but I do enjoy a lively well informed discussion about almost anything. So I hope you didnt take my comments and link as an abrasive observation. I am always interested in scientific research although Im by NO means some nerdy know-it-all.....I do read popular science and science Illustrated and Smithsonian...but I'm just a regular joe..er...jane?? Thanks for your comments!
We're good. You clearly and matter of factly presented your comment. Nothing to get upset about. I appreciate you saying what you did and offering the url. Obviously, I do have some level of interest in this issue and accurately representing it. When it comes right down to it, I honestly have no dog in this hunt beyond finding it interesting and probably shouldn't have even offered any comments - didn't plan to but questions started coming. I usually refrain talking too much about something 'til I am pretty secure that I haven't missed anything which doesn't appear to be the case here. It is, as we say nowadays, "all good." I think it's likely that the scientific community may have more conflict on this issue than you and I. :-)
We're good. You clearly and matter of factly presented your comment. Nothing to get upset about. I appreciate you saying what you did and offering the url. Obviously, I do have some level of interest in this issue and accurately representing it. When it comes right down to it, I honestly have no dog in this hunt beyond finding it interesting and probably shouldn't have even offered any comments - didn't plan to but questions started coming. I usually refrain talking too much about something 'til I am pretty secure that I haven't missed anything which doesn't appear to be the case here. It is, as we say nowadays, "all good." I think it's likely that the scientific community may have more conflict on this issue than you and I. :-)
Jan 12, 2012 18:19:31 #
Elle wrote:
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Thank you for that information. A follow up note - our experience occurred in 1997 and we've since run into that young lady on the street a few times and she is profusely apologetic and affectionate towards us and all is mended from our perspective although we were more concerned about her mental health at the time than our "feelings." Incidentally, I misstated a couple of things with regard to my "Indian" ancestor - first, it was my great great grandmother, born in lower eastern Tennessee in 1830 very near Cherokee land and just 8 years or so before "the removal." I wasn't looking for full blood Cherokee in her, just any amount, even though she was alleged to have been full blood. Fact is, she had absolutely no Indian markers in here dna.
Jan 12, 2012 18:54:51 #
gessman wrote:
quote=Elle Quote - br "I've yet to attend a ... (show quote)
I think I have everything mixed in my veins. One great great grandmother was african american, the other was native american (cherokee) and we have some Irish and I don't really know what all. Mostly Irish from the looks of me I'd say - lol.
Jan 12, 2012 19:05:49 #
gessman wrote:
Incidentally, I misstated a couple of things with regard to my "Indian" ancestor - first, it was my great great grandmother, born in lower eastern Tennessee in 1830 very near Cherokee land and just 8 years or so before "the removal." I wasn't looking for full blood Cherokee in her, just any amount, even though she was alleged to have been full blood. Fact is, she had absolutely no Indian markers in here dna.
I wanted to say that I wasn't interested in proving that we had Indian blood but quite the contrary, I was out to prove we didn't. I am, by default, my family genealogist and there were several relatives who wanted to believe there was an Indian connection through that gggmtr and I was out to lose the popularity contest. Not that it felt all that good, but I won for what it's worth.
Jan 12, 2012 19:16:36 #
"I think I have everything mixed in my veins. One great great grandmother was african american, the other was native american (cherokee) and we have some Irish and I don't really know what all. Mostly Irish from the looks of me I'd say - lol.[/quote]
It's not unusual to see a blond, blue-eyed person dancing in full regalia. Some will wear representative historic looking clothing of both sides. One well-known individual in N/A circles is Arvel Bird. Arvel is Piute and Scotch. Arvel is an accomplished violinist and flutist who has followed the N/A path and has been voted Native American Entertainer of the year several times but he also has played Carnegie Hall in NY. Although he plays traditional Scottish music with the best of them, he specializes in telling "animal" stories with his music. Highly recommended if he's scheduled for one of the Pow-wows in your area.
It's not unusual to see a blond, blue-eyed person dancing in full regalia. Some will wear representative historic looking clothing of both sides. One well-known individual in N/A circles is Arvel Bird. Arvel is Piute and Scotch. Arvel is an accomplished violinist and flutist who has followed the N/A path and has been voted Native American Entertainer of the year several times but he also has played Carnegie Hall in NY. Although he plays traditional Scottish music with the best of them, he specializes in telling "animal" stories with his music. Highly recommended if he's scheduled for one of the Pow-wows in your area.
Jan 15, 2012 13:00:14 #
Jan 15, 2012 14:37:13 #
Love the colors and the content in the father putting the paint on the children...great shot.
Jan 15, 2012 14:56:26 #
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