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Mar 5, 2014 14:14:17   #
rebride
 
Rongnongno wrote:
I do not agree with that when it comes to camera output. The person behind it has nothing to do with the manufacturer bias.

Good or bad the monkey pressing the button has no choice. Cut the tree and make it walk.


The monkey has the choice of which manufacturer (bias).

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Mar 5, 2014 14:20:17   #
TheDman Loc: USA
 
Cbphotos wrote:
Yes, some of it is the person behind the camera but I do think some of it is the camera. Thanks for your response.


95% of it is the person.
5% of it is the camera.
0.00001% of it is the camera brand.

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Mar 5, 2014 14:49:09   #
Elliern Loc: Myrtle Beach, SC
 
Cbphotos wrote:
Hi. I really need some help here. I just got back from the WPPI show in Las Vegas. Attended many classes and when one of the instructors asked "Who here shoots Nikon?" I was shocked when only a handful of people raised their hands in a room filled with over 300 people. I shoot Nikon and I asked myself... What am I missing??? As the conference progressed I noticed those shooting Cannon the colors were vibrant, super clear, amazing!!! (We are talking DSLR professional Level cameras) Those shooting Nikon, the colors were dull and did not have the crispness I love in pictures.
Sorry this is so long but I am really battling with this. I own a Nikon D700 which I know needs to be upgraded, but I am really thinking of switching over to Cannon. Yes it is the person behind the camera that makes the difference

but after this conference I really think Cannon has surpassed Nikon in technology. Can I please get your thoughts on this and any help you can give me in making my decision. Thanks so much.
Hi. I really need some help here. I just got bac... (show quote)


I know professionals who use both brands. They all take stunning shots. Their printed works are both equal in quality and clarity. I do think an advanced camera in a pros or very experienced or talented photographer's hands will probably get better results than an advanced camera in a hobbyist's hands, however.
But...I have read on here that you cannot possibly have the best photo without pp. So, were those photos so vibrant because of the camera....or because of better pp skills? Or the better pp software?

I am still a novice...may be one for quite awhile (LOL) but I am working hard to improve.
But it seems to me, if it were just the camera then all those pictures by other novices who use Canon (my dslr is Nikon) should look much better than mine as far as color and clarity and they do not. Now some in our club do improve significantly and they move on up to intermediate level or to advanced level. But my own belief is that very little of that improvement comes just from the camera.
If I can be convinced otherwise, then I will trade in my Nikon D5100 on a Canon. ;)
But for now I am very happy with my Nikon and my Canon sx50. I am a novice no matter which one I use.

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Mar 5, 2014 15:48:38   #
amehta Loc: Boston
 
Cbphotos wrote:
I have tried the vibrant setting on my Nikon and I don't like what it does. I shoot manual raw and its not that I don't like my pictures, it just seemed the quality coming out of the Canons were far better than my Nikon. Yes, some of it is the person behind the camera but I do think some of it is the camera. Thanks for your response.

You did not just see the "quality coming out of the Canons", you also saw the quality of their post processing and display medium. I think the brand of camera is the smallest factor in all of this. And I would say the same if you had reversed the scenario, asking if you should switch from Canon to Nikon.

You have about $5k invested in Nikon lenses (including the 14-24mm f/2.8G), you are not likely to recover all of that if you switch. BTW, your lenses aren't a big factor in this issue either. :-)

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Mar 5, 2014 16:13:57   #
Cbphotos Loc: Riverside, CA
 
amehta wrote:
You did not just see the "quality coming out of the Canons", you also saw the quality of their post processing and display medium. I think the brand of camera is the smallest factor in all of this. And I would say the same if you had reversed the scenario, asking if you should switch from Canon to Nikon.

You have about $5k invested in Nikon lenses (including the 14-24mm f/2.8G), you are not likely to recover all of that if you switch. BTW, your lenses aren't a big factor in this issue either. :-)
You did not just see the "quality coming out ... (show quote)


What I saw coming out of their camera was them shooting and it tethering to their laptop to the big screen. There was not time for post processing. I know I won't recover all I have spent on my lenses but my quality of my photography needs to be the best it can be. I am willing to put up with the loss if it means I am getting better quality. Why do so many people prefer Canon over Nikon. There is a huge difference there.

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Mar 5, 2014 16:22:03   #
mdorn Loc: Portland, OR
 
Cbphotos wrote:
What I saw coming out of their camera was them shooting and it tethering to their laptop to the big screen. There was not time for post processing. I know I won't recover all I have spent on my lenses but my quality of my photography needs to be the best it can be. I am willing to put up with the loss if it means I am getting better quality. Why do so many people prefer Canon over Nikon. There is a huge difference there.


Are you sure the difference is not marketing?

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Mar 5, 2014 16:35:43   #
amehta Loc: Boston
 
Cbphotos wrote:
What I saw coming out of their camera was them shooting and it tethering to their laptop to the big screen. There was not time for post processing. I know I won't recover all I have spent on my lenses but my quality of my photography needs to be the best it can be. I am willing to put up with the loss if it means I am getting better quality. Why do so many people prefer Canon over Nikon. There is a huge difference there.

If the tethering is through Lightroom, for example, then post processing presets are still applied.

Perhaps you could post one of your "dull" pictures and we could discuss what might be going on.

While some people prefer Canon over Nikon, and others prefer Nikon over Canon, some of us simply have one system and stick to it because we're invested, not because of a preference. If my equipment instantaneously changed to comparable Canon gear, within a week of shooting, I doubt I would notice a huge difference. If my equipment instantaneously changed to Nikon entry-level gear, then I'd be really frustrated. :-)

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Mar 5, 2014 16:39:55   #
Pine1 Loc: Midland & Lakeway
 
If you don't like what you have, you probably won't like what you get. I think you should make yourself happy. Both Nikon and Canon makes great dslr equipment. Your lenses are great so....
Cbphotos wrote:
What I saw coming out of their camera was them shooting and it tethering to their laptop to the big screen. There was not time for post processing. I know I won't recover all I have spent on my lenses but my quality of my photography needs to be the best it can be. I am willing to put up with the loss if it means I am getting better quality. Why do so many people prefer Canon over Nikon. There is a huge difference there.

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Mar 5, 2014 16:44:59   #
amehta Loc: Boston
 
Pine1 wrote:
If you don't like what you have, you probably won't like what you get.
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I think you should make yourself happy.
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Both Nikon and Canon makes great dslr equipment. Your lenses are great so....

Totally agree with all of this, except to make yourself happy, don't replace the gear, solve the problem. It is not the camera or lens, I assure you.

What post processing are you doing with your raw images?

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Mar 5, 2014 16:55:17   #
MT Shooter Loc: Montana
 
I sell both and always let my customers make their decisions with their checkbook. In the last 9 months (and as late as 1 hour ago) I have had 34 Canon shooters change their gear for Nikon in my store. I have yet to have a single Nikon shooter come in and want to change over to Canon. Canon spends almost 4 times as much as Nikon in marketing and advertising, they have to, simple.

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Mar 5, 2014 17:08:05   #
Cbphotos Loc: Riverside, CA
 
MT Shooter wrote:
I sell both and always let my customers make their decisions with their checkbook. In the last 9 months (and as late as 1 hour ago) I have had 34 Canon shooters change their gear for Nikon in my store. I have yet to have a single Nikon shooter come in and want to change over to Canon. Canon spends almost 4 times as much as Nikon in marketing and advertising, they have to, simple.


Thank you so much for this information.

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Mar 5, 2014 17:20:42   #
coco1964 Loc: Winsted Mn
 
I think also that it depends what you were comparing your D700 up against. Although the D700 is a good FF camera you have to remember that since that camera was made Nikon has upgraded their FF systems 10 times over!! The D600, D610, D800, D800s, Df, D3s, and just recently the D4s. I'm sure I may have missed some but you get the idea of comparing apples to apples versus apples to oranges. What were you comparing your D700 up against as Canon has upgraded in the same manner as Nikon..........

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Mar 5, 2014 17:26:48   #
amehta Loc: Boston
 
coco1964 wrote:
I think also that it depends what you were comparing your D700 up against. Although the D700 is a good FF camera you have to remember that since that camera was made Nikon has upgraded their FF systems 10 times over!! The D600, D610, D800, D800s, Df, D3s, and just recently the D4s. I'm sure I may have missed some but you get the idea of comparing apples to apples versus apples to oranges. What were you comparing your D700 up against as Canon has upgraded in the same manner as Nikon..........

Excellent point, the D700 came out in 2008, the trade show people were probably using the 5D Mark III and the 1DX, both from the past two years.

Here is a SOOC shot (straight out of camera), with the D800, cropped but not resized. Is this what you (Cheryl) see as "dull"?


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Mar 5, 2014 17:29:26   #
Cbphotos Loc: Riverside, CA
 
amehta wrote:
Excellent point, the D700 came out in 2008, the trade show people were probably using the 5D Mark III and the 1DX, both from the past two years.

Here is a SOOC shot (straight out of camera), with the D800, cropped but not resized. Is this what you (Cheryl) see as "dull"?


The bird looks great but why is the background so dull?

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Mar 5, 2014 17:31:34   #
amehta Loc: Boston
 
Cbphotos wrote:
The bird looks great but why is the background so dull?

It was an off-white brick wall, and I used f/2.8 to get the wall out of focus. The point is to keep the viewer's eye on the bird, not the wall, so a dull wall was the intent.

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