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Jan 28, 2014 13:59:11   #
Blurryeyed Loc: NC Mountains.
 
KW Conch wrote:
I constantly see the fright wingers complaining about Democrats. However, I haven't heard a word from them about Republican Trey Radel of Florida resigning because he was caught using cocaine. Or, how about the now former Republican Governor of Virginia, Bob McDonnell being indicted on corruption charges for receiving gifts for favors. And, we won't even get into the Christie Bridgegate scandal.
I'm not looking for any of the apologists to say how bad the Democrats are. I see that on here everyday, real or imagined. I want to know why none of you mention the Republican scandals.
Now, I'll sit back and watch the fun.
I constantly see the fright wingers complaining ab... (show quote)


LOL, if you like your.... you can keep your...... Direct lies regarding the welfare of the majority of Americans who are insured by the private sector....

Or how about the "It was caused by a video, and throwing some poor slob into prison." The jury is still out on Christie but it looks like if he did anything wrong that he is toast, of course the press, FBI, and DOJ are all over it so we can expect to get to the bottom of it... Unlike the IRS, or accountability and explanation of the president's lies regarding Benghazi.... Radel? He is not so untypical for any politician on either side of the aisle, but hey, he resigned, was not forced from office but resigned, too bad our president won't do the same... Then you come to McDonnell, another big let down, no one is making noise about him but I certainly don't think that you will see anyone defend him either.... It is very disappointing to see such developments, but hey unlike Rangel two of the three are already out of office, and the third, well we will see. I do suspect that Christie even if he is dirty was still a better governor than was Corzine.

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Jan 28, 2014 14:04:13   #
PrairieSeasons Loc: Red River of the North
 
JamesCurran wrote:
Which continues the "false equivalency" of the way the right wing compares Republican Scandals to Democratic ones.

Weiner never did anything illegal (or for that matter, anything he has to apologize for, to anyone but his wife)

For that matter, the exact same thing goes for Bill Clinton.

Bob Filner committed real crimes, but none had to do with abuse of the power of his office.


Are you honestly that blind? Both parties have more than enough abuse of power scandal and enough personal failings scandal.

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Jan 28, 2014 14:39:36   #
JamesCurran Loc: Trenton ,NJ
 
Blurryeyed wrote:
LOL, if you like your.... you can keep your...... Direct lies regarding the welfare of the majority of Americans who are insured by the private sector....


Yes, the ONE lie you can pin on him. And that is mainly the insurance companies lying --- The vast majority of the "cancelled" policies had nothing to do with Obamacare. The insurers just realized that they could upsell their customers if they told them they had to cancel their policy.

Blurryeyed wrote:
Or how about the "It was caused by a video, and throwing some poor slob into prison."


And I'm still puzzled why what Rice said on a Sunday morning chat show has anything to do with anything. The fact that the Right Wing keeps coming back to that aspect of it demonstrates that there's no scandal n any of the rest of the Benghazi story.

Blurryeyed wrote:
Unlike the IRS, or accountability and explanation of the president's lies regarding Benghazi....


We HAVE gotten to the bottom of the IRS and Benghazi AND "Fast & Furious" --- all three were investigated by Obama-hating Republican Representative Darrell Issa & his House Oversight Committee. All three found no wrongdoing. All three reports were buried (except for a few scandalous sounding excerpts) by Issa. Just because an investigation doesn't turn out as you would have liked, doesn't mean it didn't happen.

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Jan 28, 2014 14:56:34   #
PrairieSeasons Loc: Red River of the North
 
JamesCurran wrote:
We HAVE gotten to the bottom of the IRS and Benghazi AND "Fast & Furious" --- all three were investigated by Obama-hating Republican Representative Darrell Issa & his House Oversight Committee. All three found no wrongdoing. All three reports were buried (except for a few scandalous sounding excerpts) by Issa. Just because an investigation doesn't turn out as you would have liked, doesn't mean it didn't happen.


Neither THE HILL nor Issa seem to share your opinion that these investigations are complete.

http://thehill.com/homenews/house/195169-issas-2014-agenda-irs-benghazi-and-fast-and-furious

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Jan 28, 2014 15:07:39   #
Samuraiz Loc: Central Florida
 
KW Conch wrote:
I constantly see the fright wingers complaining about Democrats. However, I haven't heard a word from them about Republican Trey Radel of Florida resigning because he was caught using cocaine. Or, how about the now former Republican Governor of Virginia, Bob McDonnell being indicted on corruption charges for receiving gifts for favors. And, we won't even get into the Christie Bridgegate scandal.
I'm not looking for any of the apologists to say how bad the Democrats are. I see that on here everyday, real or imagined. I want to know why none of you mention the Republican scandals.
Now, I'll sit back and watch the fun.
I constantly see the fright wingers complaining ab... (show quote)


You won't hear much. A politician commit a punishable act, they take the punishment regardless of their party. You won't find anyone defending the actions of Christie, McDonnell or Radel, nor will anyone scream racism because they are all white.


However, some may ponder why there is so much more coverage on Bridgegate than Benghazi.

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2014/01/bias-on-display-neil-cavuto-reveals-shocking-bias-in-bridgegate-vs-benghazi-reporting-video/

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Jan 28, 2014 15:12:42   #
Samuraiz Loc: Central Florida
 
JamesCurran wrote:
Which continues the "false equivalency" of the way the right wing compares Republican Scandals to Democratic ones.

Weiner never did anything illegal (or for that matter, anything he has to apologize for, to anyone but his wife)

For that matter, the exact same thing goes for Bill Clinton.

Bob Filner committed real crimes, but none had to do with abuse of the power of his office.


I see you have forgotten that no cared about Bill getting a BJ in the office. He was impeached for lying to Congress.

Weiner was never accused of crimes. What's your point?

The Washington post thinks that Weiner is electable:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/she-the-people/wp/2013/08/09/anthony-weiner-could-be-elected-in-france/

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Jan 28, 2014 15:21:21   #
JamesCurran Loc: Trenton ,NJ
 
Samuraiz wrote:
some may ponder why there is so much more coverage on Bridgegate than Benghazi.


Again, False Equivalency. Bridgegate was deliberately caused by someone in the Governor's office. Benghazi, on the other hand, was unquestionable caused by outside actors of whom the President's office had no foreknowledge.

In other words, we are comparing a blatant and criminal act of abuse of power, with insufficient planning. Yes, that "insufficient planning" led to four deaths. Insufficient planning on Bush's part led to 3000 deaths on 9/11.

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Jan 28, 2014 15:29:56   #
Samuraiz Loc: Central Florida
 
JamesCurran wrote:
Again, False Equivalency. Bridgegate was deliberately caused by someone in the Governor's office. Benghazi, on the other hand, was unquestionable caused by outside actors of whom the President's office had no foreknowledge.

In other words, we are comparing a blatant and criminal act of abuse of power, with insufficient planning. Yes, that "insufficient planning" led to four deaths. Insufficient planning on Bush's part led to 3000 deaths on 9/11.


First of all, your response did not answer why the media was more interested in a traffic condition then the brutal death of 4 Americans.

Second.

Check your facts:

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Peace/2013/12/08/Obamas-Term-Sees-Three-Quarters-of-US-Military-Deaths-in-Afghanistan

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Jan 28, 2014 15:30:49   #
Blurryeyed Loc: NC Mountains.
 
JamesCurran wrote:
We HAVE gotten to the bottom of the IRS and Benghazi AND "Fast & Furious" --- all three were investigated by Obama-hating Republican Representative Darrell Issa & his House Oversight Committee. All three found no wrongdoing. All three reports were buried (except for a few scandalous sounding excerpts) by Issa. Just because an investigation doesn't turn out as you would have liked, doesn't mean it didn't happen.


The "One" lie? This president hardly opens his mouth without a lie coming out.... and your defense of him is so lame that it would be humorous were it not a serious breech of trust with the American people... If you really need to know that the president was lying beyond any doubt all you need to do is go to the C-Span archives and dial up the Healthcare Summit that he had with the Republicans back in 2010 where in an exchange with Eric Cantor the specific issue was addressed by the president. It had nothing to do with the insurance companies and everything to do with HHS changing regulations with the full knowledge that it would cause millions of insurance policies to be cancelled... then the lame one comes out with his second lie.... "What we said was...." BS!

IRS was definite targeting, asking questions that are completely outside of the province of the IRS, such as the Names of all members and their occupations, what prayers that they prayed, what were their religious affiliations, they would send pages and pages of requests with impossible timelines and questions that not only irrelevant but required the investment of professional services to answer.... this went on for years... Of course you know nothing of this.... Nor do you know of Lois Lerner sharing confidential Tax information of the president's opposition with his campaign people.... No... nothing to see there. BS!

Now the president via executive fiat will just change the IRS regulations squashing the activities of the Tea Party while not effecting the political activities of his precious unions....

The president is a liar, polling of the American people overwhelmingly suggests that they believe that the president is a liar, and your weak statements here do nothing to change that.

Benghazi! He lied has butt off, no crime committed, nothing to be done about it, but he lied all the same, in fact his whole 2012 campaign was one big lie.

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Jan 28, 2014 15:43:43   #
JamesCurran Loc: Trenton ,NJ
 
Samuraiz wrote:
I see you have forgotten that no cared about Bill getting a BJ in the office. He was impeached for lying to Congress.


Um... What were his lies about? Getting a BJ in the office. So, if no one cared about it, why was he been questioned about it under oath before Congress?

The fact is, Congress had no justification for asking him about Lewinsky, except to rope him into admitting something embarrassing or lying. He careful avoid doing either -- Q:"Were you ever alone with Miss Lewinsky", A: "I do not recall a specific time when we alone" (i.e, "we were alone, but I don't know the date & time" ) . The Republicans got pissy that he had out-witted them, and voted to impeach him. In the trial, he was acquitted.

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Jan 28, 2014 15:47:35   #
Black Bart Loc: Indiana
 
SherriA wrote:
I'm really not that concerned about a traffic jam that is over and people have had consequences for. As far as I'm concerned it's a done deal. I believe that the office has turned over all documents and nothing points to his having any knowledge that it was going to occur and that he ordered it. I don't like the way Christie handles his office. From what I've seen he's an arrogant ass.

It bothers me when crap happens and no one is held accountable.


You mean like Benghazi

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Jan 28, 2014 15:49:27   #
PrairieSeasons Loc: Red River of the North
 
JamesCurran wrote:
Um... What were his lies about? Getting a BJ in the office. So, if no one cared about it, why was he been questioned about it under oath before Congress?

The fact is, Congress had no justification for asking him about Lewinsky, except to rope him into admitting something embarrassing or lying. He careful avoid doing either -- Q:"Were you ever alone with Miss Lewinsky", A: "I do not recall a specific time when we alone" (i.e, "we were alone, but I don't know the date & time" ) . The Republicans got pissy that he had out-witted them, and voted to impeach him. In the trial, he was acquitted.
Um... What were his lies about? Getting a BJ in t... (show quote)


You're working with flawed memory. Those Q&A's were from his sworn deposition in the Jones case, not in front of congress. Whether or not those lies constituted "high crimes and misdemeanors" as laid out in the constitution, they do amount to a break in public trust. Fortunately for Clinton, the press and public were willing to overlook that.

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Jan 28, 2014 15:57:30   #
Samuraiz Loc: Central Florida
 
JamesCurran wrote:
Um... What were his lies about? Getting a BJ in the office. So, if no one cared about it, why was he been questioned about it under oath before Congress?

The fact is, Congress had no justification for asking him about Lewinsky, except to rope him into admitting something embarrassing or lying. He careful avoid doing either -- Q:"Were you ever alone with Miss Lewinsky", A: "I do not recall a specific time when we alone" (i.e, "we were alone, but I don't know the date & time" ) . The Republicans got pissy that he had out-witted them, and voted to impeach him. In the trial, he was acquitted.
Um... What were his lies about? Getting a BJ in t... (show quote)




I think the word you are grasping for is Ethics.

Also, although many have forgotten, Willy was accused of accosting Paula Jones in Arkansas, and the Lewinsky issues grew from there.

http://www.infoplease.com/encyclopedia/history/lewinsky-scandal.html

It's none of my business, but with your relatively low post count I wonder, did you stumble on the Hogg's " political discussion page" using a search engine like google? If so, you may want to check out the photography related pages,. There is quite a lot of good information there as well.

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Jan 28, 2014 15:58:01   #
Samuraiz Loc: Central Florida
 
PrairieSeasons wrote:
You're working with flawed memory. Those Q&A's were from his sworn deposition in the Jones case, not in front of congress. Whether or not those lies constituted "high crimes and misdemeanors" as laid out in the constitution, they do amount to a break in public trust. Fortunately for Clinton, the press and public were willing to overlook that.


You type faster than I do. :-D

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Jan 28, 2014 16:00:28   #
Samuraiz Loc: Central Florida
 
SherriA wrote:
I'm really not that concerned about a traffic jam that is over and people have had consequences for. As far as I'm concerned it's a done deal. I believe that the office has turned over all documents and nothing points to his having any knowledge that it was going to occur and that he ordered it. I don't like the way Christie handles his office. From what I've seen he's an arrogant ass.

It bothers me when crap happens and no one is held accountable.



Also, as he demonstrated during the 2012 presidential elections Christie has no party loyalty. Therefore he is not to be trusted.

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