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Jan 29, 2014 12:53:40   #
FishingLarry Loc: Shreveport, LA
 
First of all, both sides are self serving crooks, no doubt. Your comment of "fright wingers" complaining against Democrats is 100% justified in reference to government issues.
All politicians have their own ethics, moral, and personal problems-but that is not what most of us "fright wingers" are complaining about.
The current government has MAJOR corruption problems, most of which are the Obama driven mafia tactics. The Democratic Party has some really good people, which are just now beginning to "buck" the powers that be-Obama and Reid!

What Republican scandals? Christie is not a scandal.....yet. Although it could be. But...he is just a Governor-not the President of the U.S.A.!! The jury is not in on that matter.
So....let's talk scandals........
Has the Republican Party obstructed justice on the magnitude of NSA spying on you and I without justification-without a court order-have they sent the IRS to go after and punish anyone that opposes their views? Have they totally covered-up and lied thru their a** about what happened in Bengazi?
Have they tried to pass legislation to let any Tom, Dick or Harry vote-without any form of ID, nor ability to speak English?
The Republicans have done none of this. So...do we need to talk further about scandals?
Scandals and lies under the Bush/Cheney Kingdom are another topic!
Nothing personal what-so-ever about my comment-I respect your views-which is more than I can say about Washington....but when I get on the subject of the Obama Mafia....my blood pressure rises considerably.

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Jan 29, 2014 13:00:57   #
KW Conch Loc: USA
 
Dave Johnson wrote:
I think the point of the original post is that conservatives on this forum are relentless in posting every little difficulty the liberals have while ignoring problems with their own side of the debate.


Dave, that is exactly my point. Thanks for pointing it out.

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Jan 29, 2014 13:14:56   #
KW Conch Loc: USA
 
Larry Hooten wrote:
First of all, both sides are self serving crooks, no doubt. Your comment of "fright wingers" complaining against Democrats is 100% justified in reference to government issues.
All politicians have their own ethics, moral, and personal problems-but that is not what most of us "fright wingers" are complaining about.
The current government has MAJOR corruption problems, most of which are the Obama driven mafia tactics. The Democratic Party has some really good people, which are just now beginning to "buck" the powers that be-Obama and Reid!

What Republican scandals? Christie is not a scandal.....yet. Although it could be. But...he is just a Governor-not the President of the U.S.A.!! The jury is not in on that matter.
So....let's talk scandals........
Has the Republican Party obstructed justice on the magnitude of NSA spying on you and I without justification-without a court order-have they sent the IRS to go after and punish anyone that opposes their views? Have they totally covered-up and lied thru their a** about what happened in Bengazi?
Have they tried to pass legislation to let any Tom, Dick or Harry vote-without any form of ID, nor ability to speak English?
The Republicans have done none of this. So...do we need to talk further about scandals?
Scandals and lies under the Bush/Cheney Kingdom are another topic!
Nothing personal what-so-ever about my comment-I respect your views-which is more than I can say about Washington....but when I get on the subject of the Obama Mafia....my blood pressure rises considerably.
First of all, both sides are self serving crooks, ... (show quote)


Larry, you make excellent points in a reasoned way and without name calling. I applaud you.

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Jan 29, 2014 13:14:57   #
KW Conch Loc: USA
 
Larry Hooten wrote:
First of all, both sides are self serving crooks, no doubt. Your comment of "fright wingers" complaining against Democrats is 100% justified in reference to government issues.
All politicians have their own ethics, moral, and personal problems-but that is not what most of us "fright wingers" are complaining about.
The current government has MAJOR corruption problems, most of which are the Obama driven mafia tactics. The Democratic Party has some really good people, which are just now beginning to "buck" the powers that be-Obama and Reid!

What Republican scandals? Christie is not a scandal.....yet. Although it could be. But...he is just a Governor-not the President of the U.S.A.!! The jury is not in on that matter.
So....let's talk scandals........
Has the Republican Party obstructed justice on the magnitude of NSA spying on you and I without justification-without a court order-have they sent the IRS to go after and punish anyone that opposes their views? Have they totally covered-up and lied thru their a** about what happened in Bengazi?
Have they tried to pass legislation to let any Tom, Dick or Harry vote-without any form of ID, nor ability to speak English?
The Republicans have done none of this. So...do we need to talk further about scandals?
Scandals and lies under the Bush/Cheney Kingdom are another topic!
Nothing personal what-so-ever about my comment-I respect your views-which is more than I can say about Washington....but when I get on the subject of the Obama Mafia....my blood pressure rises considerably.
First of all, both sides are self serving crooks, ... (show quote)


Larry, you make excellent points in a reasoned way and without name calling. I applaud you.

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Jan 29, 2014 13:15:31   #
GAClowers Loc: Tacoma, Washington
 
KW Conch wrote:
I constantly see the fright wingers complaining about Democrats. However, I haven't heard a word from them about Republican Trey Radel of Florida resigning because he was caught using cocaine. Or, how about the now former Republican Governor of Virginia, Bob McDonnell being indicted on corruption charges for receiving gifts for favors. And, we won't even get into the Christie Bridgegate scandal.
I'm not looking for any of the apologists to say how bad the Democrats are. I see that on here everyday, real or imagined. I want to know why none of you mention the Republican scandals.
Now, I'll sit back and watch the fun.
I constantly see the fright wingers complaining ab... (show quote)


Your hero who has no scruples has almost single handedly destroyed this country, but I bet you voted for him both times and will likely vote for the next one coming at us. :thumbdown:

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Jan 29, 2014 13:23:13   #
Thombar Loc: Hominy, OK
 
IMHO we should throw the lot of them out of office and start fresh on both parties with perhaps a healthy dose of true independents thrown in to keep the two major parties in check. Course this would be in a perfect world. :shock:

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Jan 29, 2014 13:26:18   #
magicray Loc: Tampa Bay, Florida
 
Hey, they are all lawyers fer Chrissakes! My father told me 60 years ago lawyers were all crooks. Do you know an honest one? Abe Lincoln was the last of the good guys. The worst of the worst go into politics. The pot of gold is too irresistible for a shylock that knows how to 'legally' screw the system and peddle his influence.

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Jan 29, 2014 13:28:00   #
Thombar Loc: Hominy, OK
 
Amen to that!

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Jan 29, 2014 13:31:10   #
KW Conch Loc: USA
 
GAClowers wrote:
Your hero who has no scruples has almost single handedly destroyed this country, but I bet you voted for him both times and will likely vote for the next one coming at us. :thumbdown:


Next time I'll check with you to see who I should vote for.
Also, he's not my hero and as I look out my window I don't see any destruction.

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Jan 29, 2014 13:31:44   #
magicray Loc: Tampa Bay, Florida
 
Penny MG wrote:
Really? And literally, what about Clinton with his pants unzipped?
Penny, I'll have you know that William Jefferson "Bill" Clinton was a very upstanding man while in the oral office.

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Jan 29, 2014 13:44:56   #
magicray Loc: Tampa Bay, Florida
 
W7AX wrote:
WOW! Do you ever need a history lesson ! The Panama Canal Zone and the Canal itself was sovereign US property. Bought, paid for and built my Americans when the French couldn't. Carter GAVE that all away to Panama for nothing. Now it's run by the Chinese. Now our ships have to pay over twice what they used to. Don't ever tell us that Carter didn't have serious flaws. He should have stayed with peanut farming. This country would have been far better off.
Ha! When did I ever say that Carter didn't have serious flaws? He was totally naïve and still is. Not only did he give the Panama Canal away, he took Miami from the Jews and gave it to Cuban convicts, not to mention Carter called the Shah's Iran an "Island of Stability", and his abortive Iranian hostage rescue mission. Lil' Abner was a total disaster.

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Jan 29, 2014 13:53:24   #
magicray Loc: Tampa Bay, Florida
 
Effate wrote:
I think either defending or demeaning either party for the very corruption that has permeated our government since way before Tammany Hall politics is ridiculous as both sides have participated is much bigger ways in pork barreling and kick-backs that have way more negative effects on your lives than a Bob McDonald or Ray Nagen could ever do. To blindly carry water for either party without truly understanding the import and consequences of legislation, executive orders and court decisions is the sort of uninformed naïveté that is allowing bad policy that is fundamentally transforming this great country (and I don't mean in a good way).
I think either defending or demeaning either party... (show quote)


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Jan 29, 2014 13:57:09   #
FishingLarry Loc: Shreveport, LA
 
I love the Taz sign!!! Where did you get it?

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Jan 29, 2014 13:59:37   #
Penny MG Loc: Fresno, Texas
 
Napoleon Photo wrote:
If you want to have a reasonable discussion about the issues, you need to graduate from third grade and stop the name calling. (That goes for both sides). I usually ignore blogs that contains terms like "teabagger", "Obummer", "DemoRats" etc. "Fright wingers" is new to me but no more mature than the others.

Now to address your concerns. By the time we find out that a Republican has misbehaved, they are usually being escorted out of their offices. The Republicans appear to be more inclined to push their own out before they are indicted. It all comes down to nothing to talk about. He/she misbehaved, got pushed out, resigned and is gone. End of story.

On the other hand, you might recall Congressman William Jefferson from Louisiana, who was caught with money in his freezer and was eventually convicted and imprisoned for corruption. He was not forced out, in fact, he was re-elected after the money was found (among an assortment of other evidence of wrongdoing). He walked into the House of Representatives in January of 2007 to a standing ovation from the Democrats, being cheer led by Nancy Pelosi. He never resigned, he was defeated in the subsequent election. Had he been a Republican, he would likely have been shown the door (by other Republicans) as soon as the FBI found the money.

As for Christie, you will find a lot of Republicans, especially the more right wing ones, who do not like him and if you read the right blogs, you will find that there are many Republicans who are rooting for him to fall.

The charges against McDonald are serious. Once charges are filed, the presumption of innocence prevails. We can speculate as to whether or not he violated the law, but it is for the courts to decide. If he is convicted, he will join the likes of Jefferson in prison. Not openly criticizing him is not a sign of bias but the exercise of our duty to allow due process. The question is whether he is being treated differently than other politicians who accept favors from donors.

I think the complaint some have is that there seems to be more scrutiny of one party than the other. For example, Obama is an admitted former cocaine user. The news media and most Democrats have no problem with that but a Junior Congressman from Florida has to resign. Yes, the difference is current vs. former use, by my personal opinion is that the use of illegal drugs is a crime and should disqualify anyone who has habitually used them from high public office. Our leaders should be held to a higher standard than the rest of society (every one of my employers over the years required me to pass drug tests). I am certain that there are enough qualified people who have never used drugs to fill the offices.
If you want to have a reasonable discussion about ... (show quote)


Nicely stated! here, here! :thumbup: :thumbup:

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Jan 29, 2014 14:01:09   #
Penny MG Loc: Fresno, Texas
 
rrforster12 wrote:
Well, it seems to me that creeps in politics that misuse their positions for personal or Party gain should be fired no matter which Party they belong to. NO EXCEPTIONS. What we have in our Country seems to be that the Democrat Party, having a majority of the Press on their side, is allowed to slide on transgressions committed by members of that Party while the opposition Party gets slammed at every opportunity well out of proportion to what the transgression may be. Example:Christy is the subject of a massive investigative exercise over the possibility that he had something to do with causing a traffic jam, while on the other hand we have Democrat transgressions such as the IRS being used to target opposition Party members in order to thwart their support for their Candidate in a Presidential election, gun-running schemes that went awry and got innocents killed, and the abandonment of our people in Benghazi leading to their slaughter being stonewalled and swept under the carpet by those that caused those situations, and the Press seems complicit in doing so. Politics is generally a dirty business, but some transgressions are worse then others. Nobody was killed when Radel stuffed his nose with coke, and,to their credit, he was pressured by his Party to resign as opposed to how the Dems have reacted to most of their members foibles. To sum up, power corrupts, but with Top Management and a press willing to look the other way on half the corrupted officials, our government will just continue to breed more of the same.
Well, it seems to me that creeps in politics that ... (show quote)


Here, here!!! well stated. :thumbup:

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