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Dec 13, 2013 23:50:28   #
amehta Loc: Boston
 
Racmanaz wrote:
amehta wrote:
We're already at that point for "average" users. :-)


Well drats, I am behind the times then :)


Or you're not an "average" user.

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Dec 13, 2013 23:54:18   #
PeterM Loc: Scio, NY
 
At the balloon rally where my avitar was taken, the cell phone outnumbered cameras for the average attendee - they don't want to know anything technical and sometimes get a good shot. I once said that digital allowed more people to take the same bad shots faster....and now they can immediately post them to FB!

I regard a camera as a box with a lens and a recording medium (film or sensor, it doesn't matter). Fundamental things like pre-visualizing, composition, depth of field, selective focus, etc. go in to making great photos. As far as different cameras go, It's the singer, not the song.... and the fundamental things apply as time goes by.

I like DSLR capabilities but I can do OK with my Nikon P7000 (or my Mamiya TLR) because I know about boxes with lenses.

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Dec 14, 2013 00:11:33   #
amehta Loc: Boston
 
A bad artist cannot make good art with good equipment. And a good artist can make good art with average equipment. But a good artist can make better art with better equipment.

If your abilities, goals, and equipment line up, the result will match that. If they don't then the results will reflect that.

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Dec 14, 2013 02:39:25   #
SharpShooter Loc: NorCal
 
If a foto is WORTH taking, then it's worth using the BEST equipment you have.
If a shot only merits being kinda good, then go all the way and just use a cell phone.

Imagine taking the best shot you are ever going to take, and it happens to be with a 10 mp P&S. I'm not talking about Pulitzer material here, but just the best YOU will ever take, and you'll be saying "what if", for the rest of your foto days.
I guess, what ever turns your sensor on.
SS

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Dec 14, 2013 05:24:27   #
Wahawk Loc: NE IA
 
I used to carry a film SLR with several lenses and multiple flash units, etc. Such a heavy burden!!
Now I carry a compact P&S (Lumix) with 10x optical zoom in a belt pouch (sometimes forget that I have it with me!) plus my Canon SX50 or SX40. These give me the same quality of picture that my old SLR gear gave me for the sizes of prints that I make (up to 16x20) and for any displays or projections that I do. I can only think of 2 situations where my SLR gave me better capability and that was simply because I didn't have all the lenses that I needed, but my SX50 covers that lack.

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Dec 14, 2013 05:26:05   #
Wahawk Loc: NE IA
 
Racmanaz wrote:
You know I think about this issue often, one of the resons I just bought the Panasonic LX7 advanced compact. I noticed one thing about sites like this one that is geared for people who use point and shoots and Bridge cameras..... they never seem to argue or fret over what camera or lens.....flashes...post proccessing and ect. They seem to enjoy their Photography more than those on here who have Billions of dollars "invested" in epensive DSLR's. Point and shoot and bridge camera Photographer rarely have fights over silly things, they just seem to be happier people in my own opinion. :)
You know I think about this issue often, one of th... (show quote)


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BINGO!!! You got it!!!

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Dec 14, 2013 06:34:53   #
johneccles Loc: Leyland UK
 
Hi Bob, I did this 2 years ago, I now use an Olympus E-PL1 micro 4/3rds and a Canon SX260 P & S. I can keep the Canon in my pocket, the Olmypus has a Sigma 19mm lens permanently attached and can easily hidden inside my jacket on a sling so it readily available.
I did look at a Canon/Nikon DSLRs the other day as they were on offer, but I had forgotten how bulky they are so I am staying with my Olympus/Canon.

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Dec 14, 2013 06:56:11   #
Photog
 
I made this move some ten years ago and have never regreted selling my Canon equipment. As stated in a previous post above, it depends upon what you shoot, the quality of results you expect, and ones physical ability to tote and handle DSLR rigs. I have never regreted my move to Panosonic (FZ200) and and now the new Nikon P7800. I truly enjoy the ease of use, multiple features, raw capability, and quality photos without the weight and endless need for accessories.

To be fair, I do read user and professional reviews with Steve's Digicams for the best pro reviews (since Steve's is very consumer friendly) but I tend to place more value on user reviews given that I an not a pro and the extensive technical data is not relevant to my needs.

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Dec 14, 2013 07:00:24   #
pithydoug Loc: Catskill Mountains, NY
 
Racmanaz wrote:
I think you are missing the point of my response, it's about portability of a small camera vs a LARGE heavy DSLR. Small cameras will in fact advance enough in image quality that most average users will find BIG cameras unnecessary and too cumberome to carry with you at all times. :)


If weight and getting an ok shot is your goal then a P&S is what you want. Some of us prefer the big boy with high quality lens to get a high quality shot.

You know this is really not an either or situation. I have both a P&S and a big DSLR and depending on where I plan to takes pictures determines what camera I bring.

If and when I can't lug the big boy around, there is no way I'm giving up the quality for a P&S.

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Dec 14, 2013 07:20:15   #
BboH Loc: s of 2/21, Ellicott City, MD
 
amehta wrote:
I don't worry about getting a shot all the time. If something amazing happens and I don't have a camera with me, I just enjoy what is happening. :-)


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Dec 14, 2013 07:26:31   #
jerryc41 Loc: Catskill Mts of NY
 
BobT wrote:
Just curious to know if any/many of you are considering ridding yourselves of the DSLR gear and other InterChangable Lens cameras, in favor of the lighter P&S gear? This thought seems to come on me every now and again, and is currently in one of it's "on" waves. I'm thinking that a good superzoom (there are a few to consider), and a good smaller camera, might be a bit more fun than hauling the bigger stuff around.
Just wondered if this feeling was mine alone or others have at least thought about it, OR had actually done it.
If so, care to share your thoughts, and/or your specific gear now in use?
Like I said....just curious.
Just curious to know if any/many of you are consid... (show quote)

I didn't like the EVF of the Sony NEX line, so I went back to my DSLR.

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Dec 14, 2013 07:33:57   #
amehta Loc: Boston
 
One other factor in the "missed shots" category: at least with any P&S I've used, it just doesn't focus as fast as my DSLR, so I've missed shots in situations where quick focus, especially in low light, mattered.

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Dec 14, 2013 08:22:41   #
sueyeisert Loc: New Jersey
 
Give yourself some time. I love the Fugi X-E2. It's simple to use rarely do you have to go hunting through menus. Controls are right on the camera like a film camera. So far the pictures are great. Fugi has good lenses.
f8lee wrote:
Well, I imagine it depends on what you are trying to achieve.

If image quality is not an issue, the super zoom ZSLRs (non-interchangeable 20x or 50x zoom lens) might be worthwhile - certainly one of those would reduce the "schlep" factor in carrying around gear. But the smaller imaging chip means greater DOF at a give aperture/focal length, and lower quality at high ISOs. On the other hand, if your outputting to screens (websites, e-frames, etc., then these might not be noticeable.

Another consideration to "lose weight" is a kit of "EVIL" gear (Electronic Viewfinder, Interchangeable Lens) like the Fuji XE-2, Nikon J3 or J3 or offerings from the other major manufacturers. These have larger CCDs which can offer more control over DOF as well as better low light image quality (well, high ISO anyway).

In fact, I'm currently renting the XE-2 and a few lenses in hopes that I will like it enough to get a setup for travel - the D600 and lenses are weighing me down, as it were (especially combined with the ginormous laptop I have to use for work). Sadly, so far I am not finding it appealing - nothing wrong at all with the image quality and all, but the ergonomics are just not right for me. Perhaps that will change with a little time, but my first impression is that it's just too small (I've been shooting Nikon for 40 years) and as nice as the 2MP EVF is, it's still not the same as actual photons going through the lens and getting reflected to my eye.

And this latter issue is something to consider - if you get a camera that "looks good on paper" but turns out to be less enjoyable to use, you will likely use it less over time.
Well, I imagine it depends on what you are trying ... (show quote)

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Dec 14, 2013 08:24:43   #
djlouden Loc: Ocala, Florida
 
I carry a P&S in my car console for those times when my big gear isn't with me. Will I give up my DSLR? Not likely. Can't see my 500 hung on the front of anything else. Might I buy a mirrorless, Yes but it will be an add not a replacement.

Happy shooting.

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Dec 14, 2013 08:28:35   #
anotherview Loc: California
 
A few of my best photos have been shot with my Canon S90 (and now my S100). I like this little camera in part because it shoots in the RAW mode. I carry it everywhere in a sling pouch that has room for a spare battery and a spare memory card.

That said, this camera cannot equal the image quality from my Canon 6D with the EF 24-105mm lens mounted on it, nor the control allowed by the this pair.

But I am considering the Fujifilm X-E2 with the kit zoom lens. I have read good things about it. The purported image quality and the small size appeal.

Of course, as another likely will mention, the successful practice of photography has more to do with the photographic skills of the cameraman than with the photographic gear.
Heirloom Tomato wrote:
All my photos are taken with a Canon S90 which fits in the palm of my hand and in all my pockets. You can look at my photos and see what you think. It is not exactly a P&S, it is more properly called an "enthusiast's compact camera." It has its limitations, but I have been happily using it for four years. There are newer ones I'd like to find room for in my budget, but it is still going strong.

My Nikon SLR and all its lenses and filters from film days are sitting in the camera bag in the closet. I will probably stick with compact cameras because they are easy for arthritic hands to carry and use, and even more importantly, always with me!
All my photos are taken with a Canon S90 which fit... (show quote)

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