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Dec 12, 2013 21:23:33   #
Rbrylawski Loc: Tampa, FL
 
Bobt4159 wrote:
As a grandfather your a real piece of work. If thats how you refer to a 7 year old grandchild, give them a break and stay the hell of their lives. They are better off without you.


Wow, really harsh. Someone needs a chill pill. Maybe, just maybe, the OP was using tongue in cheek when he referred to his grand kids in the manner he did.

I think his grand children are very lucky to have grandfather who would want to buy such great cameras for his grandchildren, and want to spend time with them.

I personally think the SX50 is a bit much for children so young, but it's his money and who are we to tell him how to spend it. I do want to know where he can get the SX50 for the price he mentioned. Every time I see them, they're in the nearly $400 price range.

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Dec 12, 2013 21:47:03   #
Bigfoot73 Loc: Canada
 
I got my first manual rangefinder at age of 9 ... I never stopped taking photos ... my son is four and can work with small point & shoot ...

Love the idea !

Maybe little bit cheaper and smaller (this might be important - they must not get tired while holding it) camera ...

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Dec 12, 2013 22:55:44   #
BHC Loc: Strawberry Valley, JF, USA
 
lovesphotos wrote:
Bossy little bitch ???
Maybe before anything you need to be a good grandpa.

Finally somebody caught that little phrase. I'm sure the OP is a kind and generous man who really loves his children, in spite of their problems. But I think he has issues he needs to work out with the parents before this event. If I thought that of my grandchild, I would be working with the parents to find out what is wrong in that relationship before I tested myself by spending time on the road with her.

As to the member who is excusing the boy for late toilet training because he may have some medical or physical (or perhaps mental) problems, a person who is willing to call his granddaughter a bitch wouldn't have any problems saying something about the boy.

What I am sensing is a dysfunctional family that has a grandparent who is desperate to form a bond with his grandchildren. It doesn't sound to me like the children or that grandfather are ready for that step yet. BUT I have to admit to some admiration for a man who is willing to try such a step. In spite of his comments, I think he wants to help and is wise enough to use the one tool he hopes will work, his love for photography.

What should he do? Many others have already said it: cheap cameras and short (chaperoned) trips.

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Dec 12, 2013 23:39:40   #
Old Salt Loc: relocated to Pennsylvania from Maine
 
I am sure we were all little brats at one time or another.. As for the boy and his late potty training.. Well I had a step daughter who had the same problem .. come to find out (they had a big name for it) it was a Psychological issue where the child feared from losing a part of their body. Or something like that. I got her to stop by rewarding her with a puppy, didn't take long. It just might not be the parents ya know !!

Now go take you grandkids and have a blast.. while you still can, and they are still willing to go. It won't be long before they won't have the time for you.

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Dec 13, 2013 00:56:27   #
magicray Loc: Tampa Bay, Florida
 
greg vescuso wrote:
50 cc dirt bikes. they will have the time of their lives and you can get some cool pictures. On the up side you would be the coolest grandpa in their eyes.
That's one good way to get rid of 'em.

:roll:

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Dec 13, 2013 01:15:04   #
BHC Loc: Strawberry Valley, JF, USA
 
Old Salt wrote:
I am sure we were all little brats at one time or another.. As for the boy and his late potty training.. Well I had a step daughter who had the same problem .. come to find out (they had a big name for it) it was a Psychological issue where the child feared from losing a part of their body. Or something like that. I got her to stop by rewarding her with a puppy, didn't take long. It just might not be the parents ya know !!

Now go take you grandkids and have a blast.. while you still can, and they are still willing to go. It won't be long before they won't have the time for you.
I am sure we were all little brats at one time or ... (show quote)

Are we talking about enuresis with the little boy. This is not necessarily a lack of toilet training, but can result from physical or mental conditions which are highly treatable. If this is the only problem the boy has, it might due him some good to get away from the mother, father AND sister, perhaps for one night at a time. Maybe the OP can separate the two and achieve some good for the whole family (ever hear of Pull-Ups?). You never can tell, the girl might not be as difficult without her brother there. But - again - short trips, inexpensive cameras and, with either child, GrandPa AND Grandma along.

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Dec 13, 2013 02:31:35   #
Old Salt Loc: relocated to Pennsylvania from Maine
 
Mogul wrote:
Are we talking about enuresis with the little boy. This is not necessarily a lack of toilet training, but can result from physical or mental conditions which are highly treatable. If this is the only problem the boy has, it might due him some good to get away from the mother, father AND sister, perhaps for one night at a time. Maybe the OP can separate the two and achieve some good for the whole family (ever hear of Pull-Ups?). You never can tell, the girl might not be as difficult without her brother there. But - again - short trips, inexpensive cameras and, with either child, GrandPa AND Grandma along.
Are we talking about enuresis with the little boy.... (show quote)


Wasn't Enuresis, the issue I am talking about was more a bowel movement issue

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Dec 13, 2013 03:00:45   #
BHC Loc: Strawberry Valley, JF, USA
 
Old Salt wrote:
Wasn't Enuresis, the issue I am talking about was more a bowel movement issue

Enuresis is the all-encompassing term for the variations of the maladies commonly known as bed-wetting. I just used the term to be more general, but, of course, you are concerned about another condition which, like Enuresis, is actually a symptom.

I had (hopefully) assumed that, unless there was a serious developmental disability, bowel training had been at least partially addressed. I have a pre-teen granddaughter who has such a disability and the challenge of toilet training was, for the most part, under control by the age of six, although there are still occasional regressions, mostly triggered by psychologically-induced perceptions and subsequent reactions.

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Dec 13, 2013 10:28:52   #
rdgreenwood Loc: Kennett Square, Pennsylvania
 
Although a 7 year-old who has just been potty-trained but who "goes with the flow" presents challenges that scare the beejeebers out of me, your idea is stellar. You have earned my unabashed respect. I have two grandchildren who can hardly smile without battery assist, and I'm filing your proposal away for future reference. BRAVO!!

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Dec 13, 2013 11:27:55   #
frog Loc: Carrollton, Texas
 
Hankwt wrote:
Sorry i think maybe too young and perhaps what they really need is some old fashioned discipline and upbringing....... sorry


I believe Hankwt is right...

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Dec 13, 2013 22:38:47   #
JC56 Loc: Lake St.Louis mo.
 
Bobt4159 wrote:
As a grandfather your a real piece of work. If thats how you refer to a 7 year old grandchild, give them a break and stay the hell of their lives. They are better off without you.


cranky cranky

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Dec 13, 2013 22:42:03   #
JC56 Loc: Lake St.Louis mo.
 
DebAnn wrote:
Dear JC56,
You have had to listen to a lot of kick-back, some of it not very nice. 7-year-old girls are often a bit bossy and full of themselves as they find their place in the world and among their peers. You have thought of something really worthwhile to share with them. Two Christmases ago, I gave my 6-year-old granddaughter a camera because she was spending the holiday in Belize. She was delighted with the gift. I didn't spend a lot - it was a simple auto point and shoot which is really all kids need at that age. I bought one for her older sister as well. They looked the same although the older one got a "better" camera because I knew she could handle it. Just get 2 different colours so they know who's is who's.

Children usually behave much better with their grandparents than they do at home so the trick is to sit them down at gift opening time and explain that you have entrusted them with something valuable and that you expect them to treat the gift with respect. The fact that you are a photographer will probably inspire them into thinking the whole plan is cool. Then, when you go on the trip, you can show them a few simple tricks to getting good shots. If you're overnighting, you could take along a laptop and download the kids' photos in the evening. That would be really cool as well.

So, go for it. I bet you'll all have a great time.
Dear JC56, br You have had to listen to a lot of k... (show quote)


Thanks..... that was a very thoughtful reply.

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Dec 15, 2013 06:17:31   #
BobD21 Loc: Iowa USA
 
My wife and I took our two grand kids to the Art Center for about two hours for photos of the outdoor exibits , I let them each use one of my film cameras and they loved it but they were getting enough and ready to go to lunch after about two hours

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Dec 15, 2013 07:32:46   #
Charmdragon Loc: Plymouth, Massachusetts
 
When my son was three and VCRs were new enough to still cost 4 figures, he figured out several functions before we did. The basic element is don't limit the capacity of kids by underestimating them. Focus on the benefits of exposure to something new and let them decide if that is a direction they want to go. Great idea Grampa, but one thing not mentioned is whether they already have a photo interest. If not, why not try a disposable camera with the encouragement of the process to get the results? If they express a 'want' then play Daddy Warbucks. Whichever you choose, the best moments of your life, and theirs, are always spent with others.

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