Photo Critque & Analysis Section's Page for Complaints (Page 2): You do rule it with a strict hand, Nightski, and I don't really understand your post here in chit-chat.

SteveR Loc: Michigan

Nightski wrote:

Hmmmm...I've had so many people pm me, and thank Country's Mama and me for starting the new section. They love it and they feel safe to ask for critiquing there. If you don't like it, that's fine Steve. You don't have to participate. :-)

You do rule it with a strict hand, Nightski, and I don't really understand your post here in chit-chat.

Rongnongno Loc: FL

Nightski wrote:

Let me run this thought past you. If you own a brick and mortar gallery, and you sell your work there, who is the judge of your work? Are they professionals? Who are you trying to please? Are professional photographers the only people in the world that can recognize a beautiful image?

Uh???

Nightski wrote:

Let me run this thought past you. If you own a brick and mortar gallery, and you sell your work there, who is the judge of your work? Are they professionals?

Past clients, references from them, the rest is BS.

Nightski wrote:

Are they professionals?

Since when is a client a professional since he or she pays for something they can do themselves? This makes no sense.

Nightski wrote:

Who are you trying to please?

The client is order to gain references and more work. Not sure what you are trying to say here.

Nightski wrote:

Are professional photographers the only people in the world that can recognize a beautiful image?

Uhhh??? What are you talking about here? Appreciation of an image? Anyone can do it, even if it a painted black square named 'night in the grand canyon'.

I am really not sure what you are trying to ask here.

Bmac Loc: Long Island, NY

You realize Nightski that by not deleting the posts concerning the person you allege insulted someone, but by placing them here, you have done an even greater disservice to that member as the original post creating the ruckus is gone. The rules you wrote state that insulting posts and comments linked to them would be removed, not placed in another thread.

To create this thread is unprofessional and drama we can do without. A thread containing disjointed posts with no context or continuity. What a shame. :|

Rongnongno Loc: FL

Nightski wrote:

Did you think the Friends Granddaughter was a badly taken photograph? If so, why don't you come to the PC&A Section and point out the problems with the photo? That is what we want. What would you do differently? We are there to learn. I'd love it if you shared your wisdom.

Ok, you might want to re-read that post. Do it again.

WHERE did you see me call it a 'bad picture'? I Called the posts made after bad, different.
I also said it was in the wrong forum.

Bad?

Read again, and again. That way you may want to consider taking censuring a bit more seriously if you do not understand what is being said in my 'baby' post...

Just an idea.

Nightski

Rongnongno wrote:

Uhhh??? What are you talking about here? Appreciation of an image? Anyone can do it, even if it a painted black square named 'night in the grand canyon'.

I am really not sure what you are trying to ask here.

What I'm saying is that it doesn't hurt to have lay people evaluate photographs. I think it does need to be made clear, who the lay people are, and who the professionals are.

Why wouldn't I allow a badly composed or badly captured image to be posted in the PC&A Section? If all we have are perfect images, how can there be any critique?

Do you realize how many complaints I have because I let Graham post there. They think his photos are too good, and they belong in the gallery.

Just walk a day in my shoes.... the images are too bad and they don't belong there..the images are too good they don't belong there...people are too nice....people are too mean and I should block them from my section entirely..

Wabbit Loc: Arizona Desert

jenny wrote:

There has been a lot of misunderstanding on the part of the moderators of this section,who have never set foot in a PSA or PPA meet as to just what critique is. It is definitely NOT post processing someone else's image. A shame to see a section for critique degenerate to that.

Hey Doc ..... I think the moderators here do an excellent job ..... the riff raff know it all's are an issue .....

Wabbit Loc: Arizona Desert

SteveR wrote:

Why is this section moving into chit-chat? They have their own little thing going, which is highly restrictive. If you don't color within the lines it's off with your head. We already have a Photo Analysis section, and from what I've seen, I don't really see what more this new section is doing. Delete this, Nightski.

Hey Doc ..... it ain't happening ..... it's just an illusion ..... get it Doc .....

Rongnongno Loc: FL

When it come to analysis ONLY SPECIALISTS, TRAINED PROFESSIONALS can do it.

Would you trust some guy with no credentials to check your insurance claim? (Not that it does not happen in this particular industry)

If you want some other 'review' from whomever, dont' call it analysis but C&C.

Only a trained person can see if a wall is structurally sound and up to standard of construction (your example), same goes for photography.

As to look? Anyone can say 'I like it' or 'I don't like it'. This goes for everything.

You do not seem to be capable of understanding the difference here.

Nightski

Rongnongno wrote:

Ok, you might want to re-read that post. Do it again.

WHERE did you see me call it a 'bad picture'? I Called the posts made after bad, different.
I also said it was in the wrong forum.

Bad?

Read again, and again. That way you may want to consider taking censuring a bit more seriously if you do not understand what is being said in my 'baby' post...

Just an idea.

Okay, why is it in the wrong forum? Let's start there?

Nightski

And one more question. Why didn't you step in and state your disagreement with the "bad" posts? Why didn't you say why you disagreed with the "bad" posts? It was an opportunity for you enlighten us. I'm disappointed that you didn't.

Nightski

I have to log out. But I would like to continue this discussion.

Rongnongno Loc: FL

Nightski wrote:

And one more question. Why didn't you step in and state your disagreement with the "bad" posts? Why didn't you say why you disagreed with the "bad" posts? It was an opportunity for you enlighten us. I'm disappointed that you didn't.

Why shall I start a fight???
It is YOUR job to step in.
Beside you have not one but TWO respectable UHH users that stepped in. What would be the point?

Rongnongno Loc: FL

Nightski wrote:

Okay, why is it in the wrong forum? Let's start there?

Because the person that posted was looking for kuddos.

jenny Loc: in hiding:)

Nightski wrote:

Jenny, you can't always have every thing the way you want it, when you want it.
But you can?

At first when the section started there was very little critique and almost every photo was edited.
And there is Still very little critique.....

It took time for people to realize that they really could give a tough critique without being blasted for it. They had to see that the moderator's were not going to tolerate any personal insults or off topic arguing. They had to see that we really are going to be tough.

IT certainly didn't take long to realize Mz. N'ski&Co. think they are always right

I think it has improved immensely since we first started. I think it will continue to improve. I invite you to participate in tough critique. The important thing to remember is to make your comments about the photograph and avoid comments about the photographer.
Look N'ski,YOUR view may not be valid. It may be hard to separate the photographer from the picture in your little view but that is not what critique is about.You don't seem to realize personality has NOTHING to do with it. Your comment in one of your unwelcome PMs to me was that if I hate you I should ignore you. I couldn't be bothered to hate anybody,but you are darned hard to help!!!!!

Thank you for telling me I am welcome to offer an image for critique, I assumed that anyway,after all,I've been a member since Sept.'11.

It is not always a bad thing to see your image edited. Bad images can't be made into good images. In the process of editing, you get to see what your mistakes were.

You need to understand Nightski,that when a photo is offered for critique it is assumed he/she who pushed the shutter button is reasonably sure of having exposed a subject. Critique. A noun. You have a dictionary? There is nothing in the word,thought or action that has anything at all to do with editing,cropping,manipulating or post processing someone else's image.

It is a nice way of critiquing, and some people aren't good at critiquing with words. Some people are much better at showing you what you did wrong with an edited image. Please tell me, what is wrong with that?

Jenny, you can't always have every thing the way y... (show quote)

Are you qualified to know what's wrong with various genres of photography,with how people compose or expose their images? Some people just don't know a darned thing about how to offer a critique. You need to review the good info you recognized as such that was offered by Capt.C just before this section opened and read it every day until it sinks in.
So many of us looked with best hope and realistic misgivings about any critique section that wasn't especially needed on UH. Our worst expectations have been realized.
If you think this section is improving,you are not realistic.
So many more than you ever imagine are disappointed. Most have been hoping for a change for the better but that will not happen until you learn to serve the forum,not for the forum to serve you.

jenny Loc: in hiding:)

You should have been careful what you asked for then when you wanted to turn UH upside down to get what you wanted.