Nightski

I am creating a page in the general chit chat section for those who want to argue instead of criticize or analyze photos in the PC&A Section. This way, even though I have to delete their comments from the PC&A Section, they can still be heard here without interrupting our work flow.

jenny Loc: in hiding:)

GREAT IDEA N'ski!

Rongnongno Loc: FL

Good luck with that one.

jenny Loc: in hiding:)

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To whom are you replying?

Rongnongno Loc: FL

OP and no, I have not been deleted.

jenny Loc: in hiding:)

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Thank you,Rongnongno.

jenny Loc: in hiding:)

There has been a lot of misunderstanding on the part of the moderators of this section,who have never set foot in a PSA or PPA meet as to just what critique is. It is definitely NOT post processing someone else's image. A shame to see a section for critique degenerate to that.

Rongnongno Loc: FL

The PP made on someone's image is always an irritation, ESPECIALLY when the so-called correction is worse than the original.

I long spotted the tendency of UHH users to do that hence my unpleasant signature. The observation you made is justified and it is up to the op to intervene, few are gutsy enough and willing enough to tackle this when it happens. It gives you a bad rep, you know...

On an admin delegated section, the 'responsible person' makes up his/her own rules as long as they do not contravenes UHH own TOU.

There is an analysis section managed by the admin. I found that it had lost its edge after a while (read part of it). At first a few seemed to be really interested to help but gave up as rather primitive detrimental advices were given out so now, very few good UHH photographers answer anything, if at all. One of them, CaptainC, is a very knowledgeable and capable UHH 'ancient' who seems to be the only one sticking it out. Trouble is: His posts are drowned.

This is the type of section where only a number of preselected, competent UHH users should be the only one authorized to answer questions that should never be left to 'newbies' 'wannabe' photographers.

Nightski

Jenny, you can't always have every thing the way you want it, when you want it. At first when the section started there was very little critique and almost every photo was edited. It took time for people to realize that they really could give a tough critique without being blasted for it. They had to see that the moderator's were not going to tolerate any personal insults or off topic arguing. They had to see that we really are going to be tough.

I think it has improved immensely since we first started. I think it will continue to improve. I invite you to participate in tough critique. The important thing to remember is to make your comments about the photograph and avoid comments about the photographer.

It is not always a bad thing to see your image edited. Bad images can't be made into good images. In the process of editing, you get to see what your mistakes were. It is a nice way of critiquing, and some people aren't good at critiquing with words. Some people are much better at showing you what you did wrong with an edited image. Please tell me, what is wrong with that?

Nightski

SteveR Loc: Michigan

Why is this section moving into chit-chat? They have their own little thing going, which is highly restrictive. If you don't color within the lines it's off with your head. We already have a Photo Analysis section, and from what I've seen, I don't really see what more this new section is doing. Delete this, Nightski.

Nightski

Hmmmm...I've had so many people pm me, and thank Country's Mama and me for starting the new section. They love it and they feel safe to ask for critiquing there. If you don't like it, that's fine Steve. You don't have to participate. :-)

Nightski

This thought has occurred to me, and I am taking steps to address it. While I do not wish to stop everyone from giving their 2 cents, I do think I could make everyone aware of who the experienced photographers are. The Section is a work in progress.

Let me run this thought past you. If you own a brick and mortar gallery, and you sell your work there, who is the judge of your work? Are they professionals? Who are you trying to please? Are professional photographers the only people in the world that can recognize a beautiful image?

Rongnongno Loc: FL

I quickly scanned the section...

Too many comments on content, very little on the photograph itself.

Spotted the 'baby picture' it started with the usual of! what a beautiful baby' then it was unjustifiably criticized as there is very little to say about a good picture. So, why was it there in the first place?

To me analysis is about a problem that is not easily recognized and the UHH needs help to find the causes in order to research a possible solution.

Yet, in this case it become like a denial of the problem (there is none) but that itself shows UHH shortcoming. Why on earth does one has to 'defend' a picture as being good???

Then again, why was this picture there in the first place???

That, to me, remains to be answered. It was in the wrong forum, intentionally or not.

Nightski

Did you think the Friends Granddaughter was a badly taken photograph? If so, why don't you come to the PC&A Section and point out the problems with the photo? That is what we want. What would you do differently? We are there to learn. I'd love it if you shared your wisdom.