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Nov 8, 2013 11:06:25   #
EstherP
 
romanticf16 wrote:
You can now and could in past versions download the latest ACR and cut and paste it in to update whatever version of Elements you are using. It is not automatic, but they supply concise instructions on the website.


On the newer versions of PSE, all you need to do is click on Help -> Updates and PSE will look for and install the newest version of ACR.
There are one or two exceptions, and yes for those you will need to manually install.
Ziza - I can't find the message back, but I seem to remember you noted what PSE and ACR these were...
EstherP

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Nov 8, 2013 11:27:11   #
anotherview Loc: California
 
Please excuse me but I must remind all you good American citizens out there who also do photography that America still functions in accord with the economic model known as capitalism.

Under this model, the quest for profit while producing a product or a service to meet demand and facing competition from others doing the same drives economic activity in our dear nation.

Besides, doing photography has never been inexpensive.
authorizeduser wrote:
Adobe believes they are the best and seem to have the demand for their software. Their attitude is they DO NOT have to deal and to an extent they are right. While the amateur photographer gets the boot the masses are still standing in line waiting to lay their money down for an Adobe product. Just the way things seem to work in any business. If you like their software you must play their game. Refusing to buy another Adobe product because you do not like their upgrade policy may give YOU a warm feeling of satisfaction but will do little to change anything. Sorry but that is reality. I do agree with you that while Adobe makes some top notch software their policies can be hard to swallow, especially this cloud BS! :shock: In the long run is is all about $$$ and how much they can extract from customers and yes even if they offend or lose a certain percentage of customers it is the name of the game.
Adobe believes they are the best and seem to have ... (show quote)

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Nov 8, 2013 11:47:44   #
francesca3 Loc: Sausalito, CA
 
anotherview wrote:
Please excuse me but I must remind all you good American citizens out there who also do photography that America still functions in accord with the economic model known as capitalism.

Under this model, the quest for profit while producing a product or a service to meet demand and facing competition from others doing the same drives economic activity in our dear nation.

Besides, doing photography has never been inexpensive.


Wow to your photo! Yummy

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Nov 8, 2013 13:15:27   #
Bobbee
 
francesca3 wrote:
Wow to your photo! Yummy


Voices from the alien nation.

Also I don't see companies in other countries giving away thing for free. Before you give me an example, NOTHING IS EVER FREE.

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Nov 8, 2013 14:10:41   #
William Bennett Loc: Il
 
Adobe thinks there product Elements is Inferior
with no warranty on some thing that is only 2days old.An want to charge you to fix it. Even Adrorama didn't think that was wright
Bill
I still have trouble with wrighting a note in email attachments to some body

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Nov 8, 2013 14:29:16   #
dave sproul Loc: Tucson AZ
 
profpb wrote:
I have budgeted $9.99/mo for photography. Thank you, Adobe. I have everything including the latest upgrades to Lightroom, Photoshop and more. I have the best gear. Thank you, Nikon. I have my health. Thank you, parents.

Surely there must be something I can complain about. Please help me. Surely, someone can suggest something.


Can you complain about not having anything to complain about??

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Nov 8, 2013 16:07:12   #
Pepsiman Loc: New York City
 
I'm 80 ye1ars young, If it's not FREE, I don't want it...

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Nov 8, 2013 16:42:35   #
pugfan Loc: Carlsbad CA
 
pedalmasher wrote:
I purchased Photoshop Elements 11 three months prior to the upgrade to 12 and they tell me that I do not qualify for a free upgrade. I will upgrade, but it will never be to another one of Adobe's products. :(


Really? You want a free upgrade after three months? Seems like everybody in our society now wants something for nothing. It just doesn't work that way, except for government handouts.

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Nov 8, 2013 16:44:49   #
pugfan Loc: Carlsbad CA
 
rpavich wrote:
Uh...you're not a Pug owner? (that should cause angst in anyone!) :)


Hey we love our Pugs!!!!!



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Nov 8, 2013 16:55:41   #
bigwolf40 Loc: Effort, Pa.
 
Pepsiman a lot of computer people told me if it's free there's a good chance it has something attached to it like a virus or something else you don't want. That's how they get paid for that fee stuff.I'm not saying this is with everything but it does happen a lot.... Rich

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Nov 8, 2013 17:00:07   #
GaryS1964 Loc: Northern California
 
PrairieSeasons wrote:
I've used several onOne software plug-ins to PS, and generally been pleased with them. They are introducing something called Perfect Photo Suite 8 later this month. While they aren't advertising it as an alternative to Adobe's subscription program, it seems like that is the market they've identified.

I agree that $10/month for CC is more or less the same cost as upgrading every two years. With the upgrades, though, I can get off the merry-go-round and still have something to use from that point forward. With the subscription, that is not the case.

I've ordered the onOne suite for less than the hypothetical CS7 upgrade would likely have cost and am eager to see how usable it is.
I've used several onOne software plug-ins to PS, a... (show quote)


I started using Perfect Photo Suite 6 then upgraded to 7 and have pre-ordered 8. I think it is a great tool. The new "Eraser" tool in 8 is very good. I've gotten equal and even better results using it compared to the Content Aware Fill tools in Photoshop CC. It does layers, has a very easy to use yet powerful masking tool plus some other stuff. Anyone who is getting tired of Adobe's marketing tactics should give it a look. At $79 it is cheaper than PSE and Lightroom.

Because I signed up for the $10/mo Photoshop CC subscription Photoshop is still my main tool but if I didn't have it PPS8 would probably become my primary tool of choice. I have PSE 11 which I don't use but came free with my Watcom tablet so come next June when my annual subscription to PS CC is up it will be decision time. IMHO PS CC is more for graphic artists than photographers but it still has some very powerful image editing tools found no where else so do I maintain my PS CC subscription or turn to PSE, Lightroom or PPS8 or a combination.

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Nov 8, 2013 17:11:23   #
JCam Loc: MD Eastern Shore
 
Profit & charging what the market will bear are not evil; they are the bulwarks of capitalism. We are free to purchase what we want at any price we can find or negotiate (O'bamacare excepted of course, and O'b'Care has no relationship to the free market; it is coercion at best, or socialism at its worst

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Nov 8, 2013 17:53:05   #
russelray Loc: La Mesa CA
 
djlouden wrote:
Absolutely. No one is in business to trade dollars. Adobe is entitled to profits and, being the capitalist that I am, I don't fault their desire for growth/profits. I do fault being led down the path of using their products, choosing to update or not, and then have a subscription based product shoved down my throat. Had this been the case from the outset I would not have chosen this product line.

I don't like this anymore than I would being forced to pay for gasoline whether I used it or not.

For those who don't mind this method of distribution, it is after all your choice. There's no animosity on my part. But my concern remains, will Adobe ultimately force higher and higher user fees upon us?
Absolutely. No one is in business to trade dollars... (show quote)

I'm not understanding the problem.

Each year my auto insurance goes up.
Each year my phone bill goes up.
Each year my health insurance goes up.
Each year my electric bill goes up.
Each year my water bill goes up.
Each year my food bill goes up.
Each year my cable bill goes up.
Each year my cat's vet bill goes up.
Each year the cost of printer toner cartridges go up.

So guess what I do each year?

Yep.

Each year my fees go up. It's a vicious cycle. People want more, companies give raises, companies raise rates. A very vicious cycle.

If you don't like the fees that a company is charging you, or you don't like their product, you are not forced to pay for it. Simply quit. Go find a new company or a new product.

Within five years I'll bet that every software company is doing things on a subscription basis. Adobe's already there, as is Microsoft with Office. WordPress charges me an annual subscription. On and on and on. It's the way of the world.

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Nov 8, 2013 19:56:52   #
Bozsik Loc: Orangevale, California
 
MT Shooter wrote:
And no other software provider offers free upgrades to new versions at all.
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That is not true. I have software programs that offer free upgrades. I agree with the rest of your message though. I can see the poster's point as well. I am not upgrading to AdobeCare either. Just a personal preference to own the things I purchase.

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Nov 8, 2013 21:26:48   #
russelray Loc: La Mesa CA
 
Bozsik wrote:
That is not true. I have software programs that offer free upgrades. I agree with the rest of your message though. I can see the poster's point as well. I am not upgrading to AdobeCare either. Just a personal preference to own the things I purchase.

I suspect they are minor upgrades and not major upgrades. I doubt there has ever been a software company that offers free upgrades, especially into perpetuity.

You don't own any software that you have purchased. Never have. All you own is a license to use it in perpetuity, or until it no longer works. Even if it does work but you try to put it on a new machine, if it's too old and doesn't work on that machine, the software company probably doesn't support it anymore at that time either.

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