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Nov 8, 2013 13:53:48   #
thegrover Loc: Yorba Linda, CA
 
Bob Smith wrote:
Great reply, obviously a lot more complex than I originally thought probably because over here we only get a sketchy outline of the whole problem. I am sure your bill of rights and constitution would defend against the socialist ideology.
Thanks for the information I knew you would come up with a good explanation. Cheers


Keep in mind that is one American opinion, you have 300,000,000 to go.

For example, many Americans say they distrust a government run health care system. As a Vietnam Veteran I get all of my health care from the government run VA healthcare system. I had a heart attack, I have a pacemaker, hearing aids, I recently got a total knee replacement. Too much to list. I love the VA. The care and treatment is the best. I would not want to go any where else.

Not trusting the government? I do not trust Insurance companies?
All these posters forget we have the Emergency Medical Treatment and Active Labor Act, or EMTALA. It was signed into law by President Reagan (Republican). It short I places the financial burden of uninsured EMR visits on all of us. It is one of the issues the the ACA (ObamaCare) addresses.

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Nov 8, 2013 15:39:19   #
Bob Smith Loc: Banjarmasin
 
It is nice to know that the same as yourself no matter what I will not be burdened with worry that myself and my family cannot afford healthcare. As I mentioned I have paid all my working life into the government run national insurance scheme. The scheme has been running for years over here and is the norm, hence the query about what the problem is over your side. I do agree that Insurance companies will only think about profit but that is the way business works, the problem to my mind is the fact that on a humanitarian caring issue they are well out of order.

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Nov 8, 2013 15:46:37   #
Blurryeyed Loc: NC Mountains.
 
Bob Smith wrote:
It is nice to know that the same as yourself no matter what I will not be burdened with worry that myself and my family cannot afford healthcare. As I mentioned I have paid all my working life into the government run national insurance scheme. The scheme has been running for years over here and is the norm, hence the query about what the problem is over your side. I do agree that Insurance companies will only think about profit but that is the way business works, the problem to my mind is the fact that on a humanitarian caring issue they are well out of order.
It is nice to know that the same as yourself no ma... (show quote)


There is a problem that needs to be addressed, that is true and it is a problem that if Obamacare fails will dog this country until it is fixed... I and many others simply do not think that Obamacare was the proper way to address the problem, it was more of a power grab than a fix, they should go back to the original problem and focus on the problem, not their vision of social justice nor their vision of governmental largess.

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Nov 8, 2013 16:30:03   #
thegrover Loc: Yorba Linda, CA
 
Blurryeyed wrote:
There is a problem that needs to be addressed, that is true and it is a problem that if Obamacare fails will dog this country until it is fixed... I and many others simply do not think that Obamacare was the proper way to address the problem, it was more of a power grab than a fix, they should go back to the original problem and focus on the problem, not their vision of social justice nor their vision of governmental largess.


Please help me understand what you are saying. You say it was a power grab. What power is being grabbed? Who is grabbing the power? Who benefits from said power grab?

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Nov 8, 2013 18:16:19   #
Blurryeyed Loc: NC Mountains.
 
thegrover wrote:
Please help me understand what you are saying. You say it was a power grab. What power is being grabbed? Who is grabbing the power? Who benefits from said power grab?


Consider that Hospitals and insurance has been up until now been regulated at the state level, that is no longer the case, now it is the department of HHS regulating how we will interact with our insurance carriers, our doctors, and how medical professionals will be compensated. On top of that consider that so far about 13,000 pages of regulations have come out of DC concerning this law and that they are just getting started, that HHS can regulate and change our healthcare whenever they so choose, this was until this law all controlled at the state level and now it has become a dysfunction of the most dysfunctional body of government that our country has. Bureaucrats don't necessarily think straight such as now instead of the 14,000 codes that doctors used to describe your ailments or incidents that caused a doctor's visit there are now 140,000 can you imagine the costs and nightmare this causes your doctor's office. Now you can't just say you were pecked by a bird, there are about 10 different ways that a bird might peck you and the government wants to know exactly in which manner the bird has pecked you... why?, they don't even know yet academics gone wild thinking that if all thrown into a big database that something may come of it... but again at what costs, what does this mean to the people in the real world that have to live with the vicariousness of the bureaucrats?

Now consider that the federal government is about to decide that nurse practitioners and other registered nurses will begin performing many of the functions that have up until now have only been performed by physicians, is this a good or a bad thing, I guess that time will tell.

Lastly consider this,

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Wickard v. Filburn (1942)

In this extremely consequential case, the Court unanimously decided that Roscoe Filburn, a farmer growing wheat to feed his own chickens, was engaged in interstate commerce, because by feeding his own chickens with his own wheat, he wasn’t buying wheat from someone else, thereby affecting the price of wheat, and thereby disrupting a federal wheat price-control scheme.

“It can hardly be denied that a factor of such volume and variability as home-consumed wheat would have a substantial influence on price and market conditions,” the Court said (emphasis added). This novel legal theory—that it didn’t matter if you actually engaged in interstate commerce, so long as something you did had “substantial influence” on it—triggered a dramatic expansion of Congressional power.
Wickard v. Filburn (1942) br br In this extremely... (show quote)


This synopsis from Forbes is overly simplified, but Wickard v. Filburn was a pivotal case which has been the basis for the federal government to expand its extraconstitutional activities as so much of our daily activity can be described as effecting commerce, remember this farmer could not grow a little extra wheat for consumption by his own family and livestock on his own farm as the court ruled that would effect the wheat that his state would import or export from or to other states as he would not be reducing his allotment by that consumption and therefore it effected interstate commerce. That ruling has been used by the federal government to spread it tentacles into all aspects of our lives while stripping the states of their sovereignty.

This law as passed is a first step in another even larger acquisition of power by the federal government at the expense of our individual liberties and of the states just as the ruling in Wickard v Filburn was some 70 odd years ago.

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Nov 8, 2013 18:43:48   #
Blurryeyed Loc: NC Mountains.
 
thegrover wrote:
Keep in mind that is one American opinion, you have 300,000,000 to go.

For example, many Americans say they distrust a government run health care system. As a Vietnam Veteran I get all of my health care from the government run VA healthcare system. I had a heart attack, I have a pacemaker, hearing aids, I recently got a total knee replacement. Too much to list. I love the VA. The care and treatment is the best. I would not want to go any where else.

Not trusting the government? I do not trust Insurance companies?
All these posters forget we have the Emergency Medical Treatment and Active Labor Act, or EMTALA. It was signed into law by President Reagan (Republican). It short I places the financial burden of uninsured EMR visits on all of us. It is one of the issues the the ACA (ObamaCare) addresses.
Keep in mind that is one American opinion, you hav... (show quote)


We are turning over our healthcare over to these people... If tasked to tie their own shoes I question as to whether or not they could get it done. Like I said, think about the efficiency of the credit card companies, or ebay, or Amazon... then consider this article.

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The Internal Revenue Service issued $4 billion in fraudulent tax refunds last year to people using stolen identities, with some of the money going to addresses in Bulgaria, Lithuania and Ireland, according to an inspector general's report released Thursday.

The IRS sent a total of 655 tax refunds to a single address in Lithuania, and 343 refunds went to a lone address in Shanghai.

In the U.S., more fraudulent returns went to Miami than any other city. Other top destinations were Chicago, Detroit, Atlanta and Houston.
The Internal Revenue Service issued $4 billion in ... (show quote)


http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-201_162-57611384/irs-refunded-$4-billion-to-identity-thieves-last-year-inspector-generals-report-says/

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Nov 8, 2013 19:17:14   #
cheineck Loc: Hobe Sound, FL
 
Blurryeyed wrote:
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-201_162-57611384/irs-refunded-$4-billion-to-identity-thieves-last-year-inspector-generals-report-says/


We are damned close to the bottom of that slippery slope. Damned close.

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