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Nov 5, 2013 07:48:23   #
George II Loc: Fayetteville, Georgia
 
Bob Yankle wrote:
National Geographic. No one there has EVER submitted a photo essay using am M4/3 Olympus and Panasonic, Fuji X series, Nikon mirrorless, or so on.


Ah! but the October 2013 Photo Issue " The Visual Village" were all taken with Smart Phone Cameras. I might add they are "NTS"

(Not To Shaby)

George Cole

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Nov 5, 2013 07:52:41   #
bersharbp Loc: Texas
 
Nikonian72 wrote:
Been there; tried that. I like my APS-C DSLR.

I will continue to recommend DSLRs.


I agree, and my wife still uses one, and her phone. I will stick with my D7100. I like photography and am willing to deal with the inconvenience.

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Nov 5, 2013 08:00:04   #
ocbeyer Loc: Baltimore
 
Patw28 wrote:
I'm simply poleaxed by the capabilities of my white page Kindle!
(88 volumes on board).
Howsomever . . . . I still purr at the tactile feel of the printed page.
It's the inexpressables that count.


Good point. You can't discount the power of aesthetics, the way the camera looks, feels in the hand, evokes a sense of nostalgia, a time when tools were hand made to precision tolerances. Which is interesting because, although they are marginally less mechanical than their DSLR competition, few cameras today seem to accomplish that more than the OMD-EM5 or the Fuji X100. Or take better pictures.

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Nov 5, 2013 08:11:15   #
Brucej67 Loc: Cary, NC
 
Problem is once you get hooked in photography you always want better equipment and that leads to more cash coming out of your wallet. So start out with something that is above your current capability, learn it well and by the time you are experienced with it you can make a more intelligent decision. It all depends on how deep you want to get into photography.

n3eg wrote:
I decided to start a new topic here rather than be snarky in the other two posts from absolute newbies here.

Why is the first thing new camera purchasers ALWAYS refer to a SLR? Have they considered if they really need the OVF, or the size, or the shorter DOF? Do they even stop to think about something like M4/3 Olympus and Panasonic, Fuji X series, Nikon mirrorless, and so on? Have they even heard of smaller formats?

Hopefully if they read this post, they will now.

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Nov 5, 2013 08:12:46   #
schuchmn
 
When many of us started in photography, the SLR was the only way to go for most serious shooters. It was the only way to get manual control and a deep system (lenses, flashes, etc.).

These days mirrorless EVF cameras have a lot of the advantages of SLR systems, but the "SLR for serious work" mentality seems to linger on. Maybe it's a matter of getting the word out. Ask non-photographers if they know what an SLR is and they'll often have at least some idea that it's a complicated camera for serious photographers. But ask them what mirrorless cameras are and they won't have a clue. The concepts haven't percolated down to the masses.

Which is "better"? Neither. They're all tools and we have to pick the ones that do the jobs we want done. Some of us want bigger systems and better IQ, but I think a lot of people who start out with mirrorless systems will never outgrow them -- the IQ will prove to be more than adequate for their needs.

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Nov 5, 2013 08:15:29   #
Cdouthitt Loc: Traverse City, MI
 
rpavich wrote:
Oh groan...very bad analogy Jerry...C'mon....the Mirrorless is akin to an electric car?

Evidently you haven't seen the shoot out between the X-pro1 and the D800 :)

Guess who won?...hint hint...


Know a few people that have sold their D800 gear for the new OMD EM1 too...great things come in small packages.

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Nov 5, 2013 08:29:33   #
ole sarg Loc: south florida
 
It happened and many times. They use 4X4 cameras, 21/4X2/14 not to mention the recent article shot with a cell phone camera!

Oh, I should mention the numerous stories shot with a Leica.




joer wrote:
Not yet but it will happen.

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Nov 5, 2013 08:30:03   #
bull drink water Loc: pontiac mi.
 
ask yourselves ths question if you just bought a new camera. what percentage of the features of the old camera did i really use?

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Nov 5, 2013 08:30:06   #
Dlevon Loc: New Jersey
 
Bugfan wrote:
It's marketing. It seems to be generally known for right or wrong reasons, that if you want quality you need an SLR. If you follow a professional photographer around that person is also using an SLR or, if s/he can afford it and justify it, a digital medium format camera.

As a result people tend to conclude that this is the way to superlative quality. And well, it is actually though not at the entry level of the SLRs, at that level the P&S cameras are just as good as are the bridge cameras in my opinion.

But to add to this baffling thread, what I don't understand fully is why people spend the money on an SLR and then proceed to take all their pictures in Auto. Why spend money to control exposure, white balance, ISO etc only to set the camera in Auto?

I realize a partial answer is they don't want to learn and auto is a lot simpler. But by not learning they won't achieve anything better by way of image quality than they can achieve in a high end P&S.

And as I try to get people to understand in my photography seminars ... the camera has no idea what it is you are trying to photograph and what kinds of mood and message you are trying to create. When you set it to Auto all it can do is average the image out. As a result another word for "Auto" is mediocre. So here they are spending a bundle on what's "best" and using it like a P&S. Go figure!
It's marketing. It seems to be generally known for... (show quote)



Good answer! I guess SLR owners are dumber! And just want more expensive stuff so they can tell everyone, what they have! Going to get a lot of replies on that one!

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Nov 5, 2013 08:52:17   #
minniev Loc: MIssissippi
 
n3eg wrote:
I decided to start a new topic here rather than be snarky in the other two posts from absolute newbies here.

Why is the first thing new camera purchasers ALWAYS refer to a SLR? Have they considered if they really need the OVF, or the size, or the shorter DOF? Do they even stop to think about something like M4/3 Olympus and Panasonic, Fuji X series, Nikon mirrorless, and so on? Have they even heard of smaller formats?

Hopefully if they read this post, they will now.


My DSLR is parked in the closet on a more or less permanent basis, and my OMD EM5 is my constant companion. It'll fit in a jacket pocket and I can throw a couple of extra lenses in my other pocket without noticing them, or I can carry the whole rig (camera plus 7 lenses, flash, etc) in a small bag that weights LESS than my purse. Though shoulder problems (and age) are what drove me to buy the little thing, ease of use and higher quality images are what keeps me using it. I love the EVF, which I always turned my nose up at, I credit it for increasing my keeper rate astronomically.

Some of the pro landscape photographers I've followed are beginning to age too, and some of them are switching to compact system cameras for the same reasons - David Meunch & Rob Sheppard for example. Some of the young healthy ones are switching because it makes their extensive back country travel easier without sacrificing quality-Guy Tal for example. Dewitt Jones actually shoots a lot with a camera phone now (I'm not ready for that yet, but he gets great stuff that way)

I hope all newbies will study the field thoroughly and handle their prospective purchases personally before investing. They might find a pleasant surprise in some of the less well-known camera options.

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Nov 5, 2013 08:59:00   #
sr71 Loc: In Col. Juan Seguin Land
 
Bob Yankle wrote:
I shoot with a Fujifilm X-S1 too. Great camera, good reach, can do just about anything ..... but can never live up to Canon "L" series glass. And THAT's the thing .... most of those other cameras you spoke of are shooting through diameters of 15 to maybe 40mm while my Canon is shooting at 52 to 87mm of honkin'-light-admitting-real-estate. Don't try to tell me those others can compete with that.


Really? I didn't know that.. ( 52 to 87mm of honkin'-light-admitting-real-estate.) Has absolutely nothing to do with it.....

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Nov 5, 2013 09:04:22   #
newuser
 
Bob Yankle wrote:
National Geographic. No one there has EVER submitted a photo essay using am M4/3 Olympus and Panasonic, Fuji X series, Nikon mirrorless, or so on.



It's not Nat Geo, but Sports Illustrated did a print spread of about 7 or 8 pages in their magazine of sports photographer Brad Magnin's Instagram cellphone images. Here's a link to them on the web...

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/multimedia/photo_gallery/1207/instagram-brad-mangin/content.1.html

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Nov 5, 2013 09:09:08   #
Cdouthitt Loc: Traverse City, MI
 
Bob Yankle wrote:
I shoot with a Fujifilm X-S1 too. Great camera, good reach, can do just about anything ..... but can never live up to Canon "L" series glass. And THAT's the thing .... most of those other cameras you spoke of are shooting through diameters of 15 to maybe 40mm while my Canon is shooting at 52 to 87mm of honkin'-light-admitting-real-estate. Don't try to tell me those others can compete with that.


Must be commercial real estate...
OMD EM1 with 300mm f2.8. Pretty sure it's like a black hole sucking all the light out of the universe. 112mm diameter



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Nov 5, 2013 09:17:51   #
boberic Loc: Quiet Corner, Connecticut. Ex long Islander
 
Can't count the number of times that been said "it's the person behind the camera not the gear that makes the picture A competent photographer will make better shots with a $100 p&s than a novice with a $20,000 Hassie set up.

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Nov 5, 2013 09:19:58   #
ocbeyer Loc: Baltimore
 
Cdouthitt wrote:
Must be commercial real estate...
OMD EM1 with 300mm f2.8. Pretty sure it's like a black hole sucking all the light out of the universe. 112mm diameter


:thumbup:

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