Why always a new SLR?
Nov 5, 2013 03:41:37 #
Bob Yankle wrote:
I shoot with a Fujifilm X-S1 too. Great camera, good reach, can do just about anything ..... but can never live up to Canon "L" series glass. And THAT's the thing .... most of those other cameras you spoke of are shooting through diameters of 15 to maybe 40mm while my Canon is shooting at 52 to 87mm of honkin'-light-admitting-real-estate. Don't try to tell me those others can compete with that.
I hate to be the one to break this to you but (having owned a LOT of top notch L glass in my time and a 5DII, and 5DIII) your statement isn't true.
And diameter of lens doesn't mean everything when it comes to light gathering.
In addition to that...mirrorless cameras like the Fuji's can use just about ANY lens (including L glass) with adapters...I know...I have several great lenses that I use...and I can tell you...they stand up (or exceed in some cases) L glass.
When Canon comes out with a 28mm f/0.95 piece of glass (yes...you read that right...it's below f/1) that people use on their Fuji cameras...then we can talk about light gathering. :)
You are VERY misinformed on this one my friend.
Nov 5, 2013 03:48:42 #
Nikonian72 wrote:
Olympus Visionaries are paid to promote Olympus ge... (show quote)
Actually, in my experience in following these things (at least in the case of Fuji X cameras...oly might be different) those who are the "emissaries" ALREADY shoot with the camera brand BEFORE they are approached by Fuji...and they shoot with them NOT because they are paid (they aren't) but BECAUSE that camera brand is their choice for best tool for the job.
It's not exactly logical thinking to assume that because someone is a "spokesman" or "rep" for a camera brand that their experience or opinion is automatically tainted. One doesn't have to follow the other.
Not only that...you MUST be saying that Jay's work for Nat Geo is sub standard in some way because of his camera choice (otherwise why bring it up at all?)
He contributes to Nat Geo...I'm sure that they could care less what his camera choice is and ONLY care about the images he produces...right?
Of course...the whole argument doesn't work.
Nov 5, 2013 03:56:13 #
n3eg wrote:
I decided to start a new topic here rather than be snarky in the other two posts from absolute newbies here.
Why is the first thing new camera purchasers ALWAYS refer to a SLR? Have they considered if they really need the OVF, or the size, or the shorter DOF? Do they even stop to think about something like M4/3 Olympus and Panasonic, Fuji X series, Nikon mirrorless, and so on? Have they even heard of smaller formats?
Hopefully if they read this post, they will now.
Why is the first thing new camera purchasers ALWAYS refer to a SLR? Have they considered if they really need the OVF, or the size, or the shorter DOF? Do they even stop to think about something like M4/3 Olympus and Panasonic, Fuji X series, Nikon mirrorless, and so on? Have they even heard of smaller formats?
Hopefully if they read this post, they will now.
Another reason they don't consider other Non-DSLR options is illustrated in the ill-informed opinions demonstrated right in this very thread!
*The idea that all mirrorless cameras are sub-standard to DSLR's.
*The idea that the light gathering ability of their lenses is always sub-standard when compared to DSLR lenses.
*The idea that no REAL pro shoots with anything BUT a huge DSLR and all the related lenses.
And on and on it goes. :(
Nov 5, 2013 05:49:57 #
rayford2
Loc: New Bethlehem, PA
DSLR's have another advantage too.
In most cases someone has taken the time to re-write the complicated and confusing instruction manuals that come from the factory into a usable manual.
At least for Canon and Nikon cameras.
In most cases someone has taken the time to re-write the complicated and confusing instruction manuals that come from the factory into a usable manual.
At least for Canon and Nikon cameras.
Nov 5, 2013 06:08:59 #
Cdouthitt wrote:
Hate to burst your bubble...but...
http://www.jaydickman.net/Information/Bio/1/
Bio photo is em5 and 75mm...a killer combo...now even better on the em1.
Pulitzer and National Geo...I'd say he's legit...as are m4/3 cameras.
http://www.jaydickman.net/Information/Bio/1/
Bio photo is em5 and 75mm...a killer combo...now even better on the em1.
Pulitzer and National Geo...I'd say he's legit...as are m4/3 cameras.
:thumbup: :thumbup:
Nov 5, 2013 06:35:06 #
Pmcgill2970
Loc: North Carolina
I am a newbie, and yes, I am looking for a new DSLR. I currently have an 8 year old Sony DSC-1 point and shoot. I have read about the other alternatives, but I am going to stay with a DSLR for a couple of reasons:
1. Price vs. Functionality. There seems to be a wider range of functionality at a better price point. My Sony has been a good camera, but I can get a lot more functionality, range of settings, and lens options, for not much more than I paid for the Sony.
2. Availability. For a purchase like this, I need to see and physically touch the camera. I would also like to talk with a knowledgeable person while I am physically comparing them. Getting all three (sight, touch, and knowledge) at the same time outside of a dedicated camera store is difficult. And, specialized camera stores are becoming less common.
I plan on buying a camera this weekend, and I will be going to a specialty store to buy it. I have an idea of which camera I want, but I will keep an open mind. If a knowledgeable salesperson can show me an alternative that is suitable, then I will surely consider it.
And, as my experience in this hobby increases, I may consider other options.
1. Price vs. Functionality. There seems to be a wider range of functionality at a better price point. My Sony has been a good camera, but I can get a lot more functionality, range of settings, and lens options, for not much more than I paid for the Sony.
2. Availability. For a purchase like this, I need to see and physically touch the camera. I would also like to talk with a knowledgeable person while I am physically comparing them. Getting all three (sight, touch, and knowledge) at the same time outside of a dedicated camera store is difficult. And, specialized camera stores are becoming less common.
I plan on buying a camera this weekend, and I will be going to a specialty store to buy it. I have an idea of which camera I want, but I will keep an open mind. If a knowledgeable salesperson can show me an alternative that is suitable, then I will surely consider it.
And, as my experience in this hobby increases, I may consider other options.
Nov 5, 2013 06:50:57 #
n3eg wrote:
I decided to start a new topic here rather than be snarky in the other two posts from absolute newbies here.
Why is the first thing new camera purchasers ALWAYS refer to a SLR? Have they considered if they really need the OVF, or the size, or the shorter DOF? Do they even stop to think about something like M4/3 Olympus and Panasonic, Fuji X series, Nikon mirrorless, and so on? Have they even heard of smaller formats?
Hopefully if they read this post, they will now.
Why is the first thing new camera purchasers ALWAYS refer to a SLR? Have they considered if they really need the OVF, or the size, or the shorter DOF? Do they even stop to think about something like M4/3 Olympus and Panasonic, Fuji X series, Nikon mirrorless, and so on? Have they even heard of smaller formats?
Hopefully if they read this post, they will now.
Popularity and use by professionals. They are considered "serious" cameras. Someone looking to buy their first car is not going to begin their search with electrics.
Nov 5, 2013 06:57:15 #
jerryc41 wrote:
Popularity and use by professionals. They are considered "serious" cameras. Someone looking to buy their first car is not going to begin their search with electrics.
Oh groan...very bad analogy Jerry...C'mon....the Mirrorless is akin to an electric car?
Evidently you haven't seen the shoot out between the X-pro1 and the D800 :)
Guess who won?...hint hint...
Nov 5, 2013 06:59:14 #
n3eg wrote:
I decided to start a new topic here rather than be snarky in the other two posts from absolute newbies here.
Why is the first thing new camera purchasers ALWAYS refer to a SLR? Have they considered if they really need the OVF, or the size, or the shorter DOF? Do they even stop to think about something like M4/3 Olympus and Panasonic, Fuji X series, Nikon mirrorless, and so on? Have they even heard of smaller formats?
OHopefully if they read this post, they will now.
Why is the first thing new camera purchasers ALWAYS refer to a SLR? Have they considered if they really need the OVF, or the size, or the shorter DOF? Do they even stop to think about something like M4/3 Olympus and Panasonic, Fuji X series, Nikon mirrorless, and so on? Have they even heard of smaller formats?
OHopefully if they read this post, they will now.
I guess a lot of newbies want a camera that they can grow into as there
photographic knowledge increases.... thats how it was with me anyhow....
Nov 5, 2013 07:02:32 #
rpavich wrote:
Oh groan...very bad analogy Jerry...C'mon....the Mirrorless is akin to an electric car?
Evidently you haven't seen the shoot out between the X-pro1 and the D800 :)
Guess who won?...hint hint...
Evidently you haven't seen the shoot out between the X-pro1 and the D800 :)
Guess who won?...hint hint...
No, not at all. My point was that most people don't look for new technology when getting into an activity. SLRs have been around for decades, like the internal combustion engine. That's what most car buyers look for.
The general population is not aware of the differences and strengths of 4/3 and mirrorless. For them, there is the DSLR and the "others," with the DSLR being the professional type.
Mirrorless cameras are outselling DSLRs in certain areas of the world, but not in the USA - yet.
Nov 5, 2013 07:09:19 #
jerryc41 wrote:
No, not at all. My point was that most people don... (show quote)
Ahh!! Now I understand....thanks for clarifying !
Nov 5, 2013 07:13:20 #
n3eg wrote:
I decided to start a new topic here rather than be snarky in the other two posts from absolute newbies here.
Why is the first thing new camera purchasers ALWAYS refer to a SLR? Have they considered if they really need the OVF, or the size, or the shorter DOF? Do they even stop to think about something like M4/3 Olympus and Panasonic, Fuji X series, Nikon mirrorless, and so on? Have they even heard of smaller formats?
Hopefully if they read this post, they will now.
Why is the first thing new camera purchasers ALWAYS refer to a SLR? Have they considered if they really need the OVF, or the size, or the shorter DOF? Do they even stop to think about something like M4/3 Olympus and Panasonic, Fuji X series, Nikon mirrorless, and so on? Have they even heard of smaller formats?
Hopefully if they read this post, they will now.
Most are dreamers wanting a new camera and becoming photographers over night.
Nov 5, 2013 07:22:06 #
n3eg wrote:
I decided to start a new topic here rather than be snarky in the other two posts from absolute newbies here.
Why is the first thing new camera purchasers ALWAYS refer to a SLR? Have they considered if they really need the OVF, or the size, or the shorter DOF? Do they even stop to think about something like M4/3 Olympus and Panasonic, Fuji X series, Nikon mirrorless, and so on? Have they even heard of smaller formats?
Hopefully if they read this post, they will now.
Why is the first thing new camera purchasers ALWAYS refer to a SLR? Have they considered if they really need the OVF, or the size, or the shorter DOF? Do they even stop to think about something like M4/3 Olympus and Panasonic, Fuji X series, Nikon mirrorless, and so on? Have they even heard of smaller formats?
Hopefully if they read this post, they will now.
I'm not so sure that's true. I think most people who develop an interest in photography start with using their phones and /or a point and shoot camera. Consumers are pretty educated these days as to what's available in the camera market. Certainly there's a far greater learning curve when you move to the DSLR and I think that is what interests most people who graduate to them from iPhones and P&S. I don't think there's hardly a person on the planet who doesn't have a camera that is not a DSLR.
Nov 5, 2013 07:30:46 #
n3eg wrote:
I decided to start a new topic here rather than be snarky in the other two posts from absolute newbies here.
Why is the first thing new camera purchasers ALWAYS refer to a SLR? Have they considered if they really need the OVF, or the size, or the shorter DOF? Do they even stop to think about something like M4/3 Olympus and Panasonic, Fuji X series, Nikon mirrorless, and so on? Have they even heard of smaller formats?
Hopefully if they read this post, they will now.
Why is the first thing new camera purchasers ALWAYS refer to a SLR? Have they considered if they really need the OVF, or the size, or the shorter DOF? Do they even stop to think about something like M4/3 Olympus and Panasonic, Fuji X series, Nikon mirrorless, and so on? Have they even heard of smaller formats?
Hopefully if they read this post, they will now.
INMHO, DSLR's offer the most for the $$ spent, the reason not to buy a DSLR would be based on size and weight, set for fast shooting my Canons are faster than P&S, they have viewfinders, I can do more with them, most mirrorless do not have view finders, a requirement for me, and they cost just as much,
Bob.
Nov 5, 2013 07:36:00 #
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