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Nov 4, 2013 19:45:22   #
tom kf4wol
 
Why so angry....The Koch Brother's worked, used their brains made money and in a Free America they have the right to spend it the way they want..


As I recall George Soro's did the same and spends his Billions as he likes.....

Isn't that what the America Dream and Individual Freedoms is all about??????

I spent my career in Miami, have many Native Cuban's Friends who fled Castro and Cuba....some on inner tubes, some lost family members at Sea during their flight to America's Freedom.

I have a daughter in law who's parents escaped Castro and his Socialistic Communistic Regime.....I don't think you will find any of them that think America is like Cuba at least thus far.

In my opinion, We darn sure headed that way...

tom

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Nov 4, 2013 19:47:56   #
Blurryeyed Loc: NC Mountains.
 
:thumbup: :thumbup:

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Nov 4, 2013 19:53:22   #
gmcase Loc: Galt's Gulch
 
I think thegrover and ole Sarge drink from the same polluted well.

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Nov 4, 2013 20:17:36   #
thegrover Loc: Yorba Linda, CA
 
Bangee5 wrote:
Public schools are payed for through our tax dollars. That is not socialism. They are not government run schools. The Ladies Cake Bake Social Club is not Socialism. The take over of the American Health System and run by the Government is Socialism. The taking over of your property and your business to be run by and used for the government is Socialism. What would it take for you to see the difference?


State ownership of all or most of the means of production and distribution with control over aspects of social welfare and planning.

Schools are state owned and controlled by government.

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Nov 4, 2013 20:22:12   #
thegrover Loc: Yorba Linda, CA
 
Blurryeyed wrote:
WTF are you dribbling now?


By taxing residents in advance and then giving away education at no additional charge, government is able to claim a virtual monopoly on K-12 education in almost every school district. The government owns the land and the buildings. With very few exceptions, government operates the facilities and employs all of the teachers.

Public education is government owned and operated, and ideologues of various stripes work continuously to effect social engineering by controlling curricula, text books etc. Therefore, public education is socialism.

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Nov 4, 2013 20:29:57   #
Blurryeyed Loc: NC Mountains.
 
thegrover wrote:
By taxing residents in advance and then giving away education at no additional charge, government is able to claim a virtual monopoly on K-12 education in almost every school district. The government owns the land and the buildings. With very few exceptions, government operates the facilities and employs all of the teachers.

Public education is government owned and operated, and ideologues of various stripes work continuously to effect social engineering by controlling curricula, text books etc. Therefore, public education is socialism.
By taxing residents in advance and then giving awa... (show quote)


I would not go as far as you are going with this, you almost sound like a bunker dwelling far right extremist which is certainly unexpected from you as I recall your politics have always seemed to be a bit progressive as I recall... I guess that you are just extrapolating the definition of socialism and finding that public education seems to fit there... but that is not valid interpretation, because a government offers and attends to various services in our society does not make it or those institutions socialist in their nature, however our schools are becoming more and more centers for indoctrination and less and less about learning the skill sets that one will need in their adult lives. I don't think that schools are the same today as they were when you or I attended.

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Nov 4, 2013 21:25:27   #
Bangee5 Loc: Louisiana
 
thegrover wrote:
State ownership of all or most of the means of production and distribution with control over aspects of social welfare and planning.

Schools are state owned and controlled by government.


Not the Federal Government - State Government - Socialism is control from the Federal Level. States are governments unto their own coming to gather as one to form a Union, hence, United States.

In the United States, public schools are run by school districts, which are independent special-purpose governments, or dependent school systems, which are under the control of state and local government. A school district is a legally separate body corporate and politic. School districts are local governments with powers similar to that of a town or a county including taxation and eminent domain, except in Virginia, whose school divisions have no taxing authority and must depend on another local government (county, city, or town) for funding. Its governing body, which is typically elected by direct popular vote but may be appointed by other governmental officials, is called a school board, board of trustees, board of education, school committee, or the like. This body appoints a superintendent, usually an experienced public school administrator, to function as the district's chief executive for carrying out day-to-day decisions and policy implementations. The school board may also exercise a quasi-judicial function in serious employee or student discipline matters.

Not all school systems constitute school districts as distinct bodies corporate. A few states have no school systems independent of county or municipal governments. One prominent example is Maryland, where all school systems are run at the county or, in the case of Baltimore City, the county-equivalent level. Other states, such as New York, have both independent school districts and school systems that are subordinate to cities. The Hawaii State Department of Education functions as a single state-wide school district. This is unique among the states, but the Puerto Rico Department of Education operates all schools in the Commonwealth of Puerto Rico, thus also functioning as a single school district.

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Nov 4, 2013 21:26:17   #
thegrover Loc: Yorba Linda, CA
 
Blurryeyed wrote:
I would not go as far as you are going with this, you almost sound like a bunker dwelling far right extremist which is certainly unexpected from you as I recall your politics have always seemed to be a bit progressive as I recall... I guess that you are just extrapolating the definition of socialism and finding that public education seems to fit there... but that is not valid interpretation, because a government offers and attends to various services in our society does not make it or those institutions socialist in their nature, however our schools are becoming more and more centers for indoctrination and less and less about learning the skill sets that one will need in their adult lives. I don't think that schools are the same today as they were when you or I attended.
I would not go as far as you are going with this, ... (show quote)


Some many are bending light to make President Obama as a Socialist, I take licence to do the same with our many government programs.
For my next trick we will try Communist, Fascist Muslim which we all know are his true colors..

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Nov 4, 2013 21:33:43   #
Blurryeyed Loc: NC Mountains.
 
thegrover wrote:
Some many are bending light to make President Obama as a Socialist, I take licence to do the same with our many government programs.
For my next trick we will try Communist, Fascist Muslim which we all know are his true colors..


I don't consider him to be a communist, I do believe that he has strong socialistic tendencies and given that his only life experience has for the most part been academic and government centered I think that he has little understanding of how business and markets work for most of us, but he certainly understands public corruption and the influence that major corporations and the banking system exercises on our political system, he is confused as he thinks that is how the world works but the reality is that the rest of us live and work with and in small businesses and don't deserve his patronizing attitudes and can not survive his economic vision... He and the other dems in Washington are killing economic opportunity in this country and they just don't get it.

I also believe that he is a f'ing liar, tonight he edited his healthcare promise and expects us to somehow believe that he has been saying the same thing all along, I have no use for the man. Odd how the NYT gave him cover for this new lie that he has come out with today.

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Nov 4, 2013 21:39:49   #
Bangee5 Loc: Louisiana
 
Blurryeyed wrote:
I also believe that he is a f'ing liar, tonight he edited his healthcare promise and expects us to somehow believe that he has been saying the same thing all along, I have no use for the man. Odd how the NYT gave him cover for this new lie that he has come out with today.


Strange how the little word "IF" can change the whole meaning of a statement.

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Nov 4, 2013 21:44:15   #
Blurryeyed Loc: NC Mountains.
 
Bangee5 wrote:
Strange how the little word "IF" can change the whole meaning of a statement.


He came out tonight and said that "What we said was" and then added a qualifying statement which he had never used. So he was either lying then or now or both, but the video suggests that he was lying then, and certainly confirms that he is lying now....

For the first time in my life I can honestly say that I am so disappointed in a president that if we were ever to meet in person that I would not under any circumstance debase myself so low as to shake his hand.

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Nov 4, 2013 22:09:06   #
Bangee5 Loc: Louisiana
 
Blurryeyed wrote:
He came out tonight and said that "What we said was" and then added a qualifying statement which he had never used. So he was either lying then or now or both, but the video suggests that he was lying then, and certainly confirms that he is lying now....

For the first time in my life I can honestly say that I am so disappointed in a president that if we were ever to meet in person that I would not under any circumstance debase myself so low as to shake his hand.


I do not know who to fear the most, this President or the people who voted him into the Office. Perhaps both.

I have no respect for this man or his Administration.

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Nov 5, 2013 01:29:39   #
thegrover Loc: Yorba Linda, CA
 
tom kf4wol wrote:
Why so angry....The Koch Brother's worked, used their brains made money and in a Free America they have the right to spend it the way they want..


As I recall George Soro's did the same and spends his Billions as he likes.....

Isn't that what the America Dream and Individual Freedoms is all about??????

I spent my career in Miami, have many Native Cuban's Friends who fled Castro and Cuba....some on inner tubes, some lost family members at Sea during their flight to America's Freedom.

I have a daughter in law who's parents escaped Castro and his Socialistic Communistic Regime.....I don't think you will find any of them that think America is like Cuba at least thus far.

In my opinion, We darn sure headed that way...

tom
Why so angry....The Koch Brother's worked, used th... (show quote)


The Koch Brothers remind me of the Krupp Family in Germany. Do you think Hilter rose to power in a vacuum? They bought and paid for Adolph Hitler so that they could rebuild their arms industry. Can you not see the link between that and Ted Cruz? What about Citizen United?

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Nov 5, 2013 01:46:10   #
Bangee5 Loc: Louisiana
 
thegrover wrote:
The Koch Brothers remind me of the Krupp Family in Germany. Do you think Hilter rose to power in a vacuum? They bought and paid for Adolph Hitler so that they could rebuild their arms industry. Can you not see the link between that and Ted Cruz? What about Citizen United?


I can see the connection between George Soros and the Krupp Family in Germany as compared to Hitler to Obama. What about Citizens United? What about Move-on.org?

You are trying to make Socialism look good while making Capitalism out to be bad. George Soros has a agenda just as Obama has, to bring Socialism to this country, to bring down Capitalism and to take our freedom by removing the Constitution of the United States. And you don't see the harm in doing this? That is a question - I repeat - You do not see the harm that Socialism will bring to this Nation?

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Nov 5, 2013 06:08:41   #
rayford2 Loc: New Bethlehem, PA
 
Bangee5 wrote:
Public schools are payed for through our tax dollars. That is not socialism. They are not government run schools. The Ladies Cake Bake Social Club is not Socialism. The take over of the American Health System and run by the Government is Socialism. The taking over of your property and your business to be run by and used for the government is Socialism. What would it take for you to see the difference?


Public schools don't get those tax dollars unless they conform to government regulations.

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