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Oct 31, 2013 07:45:34   #
redpepper Loc: Central NY
 
I also believe in having specialized galleries so images aren't lost on the mix. As far as losing members, I've seen a decline in the repor on this forum since I began as a member. I'm on other forums that are more positive and offer cc without squelching the posters spirit for photography. Those other forums will block those that continually put down other members in an inappropriate manner.

This forum has a reputation for harsh criticism. If you post a comment or image, you better be able to take it. Some grow and some shrink with this type of criticism.

I still enjoy reading posts from longtime members that have so much knowledge to offer. And I'm one of the first replies that will not tolerate inappropriate dialogue.

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Oct 31, 2013 07:48:45   #
Nightski
 
redpepper wrote:
I also believe in having specialized galleries so images aren't lost on the mix. As far as losing members, I've seen a decline in the repor on this forum since I began as a member. I'm on other forums that are more positive and offer cc without squelching the posters spirit for photography. Those other forums will block those that continually put down other members in an inappropriate manner.

This forum has a reputation for harsh criticism. If you post a comment or image, you better be able to take it. Some grow and some shrink with this type of criticism.

I still enjoy reading posts from longtime members that have so much knowledge to offer. And I'm one of the first replies that will not tolerate inappropriate dialogue.
I also believe in having specialized galleries so ... (show quote)


RedPepper, could you post an example of what you consider to be too harsh and one that you consider to be very helpful? It would be informative and interesting to see exactly what you are talking about.
:-D

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Oct 31, 2013 07:53:01   #
Heirloom Tomato Loc: Oregon
 
PattyBWest wrote:
While I am a relatively new member here (about 5-6 months), I felt really good about the learning experiences I had hoped to find here. I even recommended this site to a few friends who, like me, were really interested in all this site could provide.

At first it was a good thing for me. Unfortunately, I have been seeing the really ugly side of many members and that has almost made me decide to leave. I don't have favorites -- if I like a photo, I say so. If I don't like a photo, I try to decide why I don't like it and learn from the comments made about it, but I say nothing, only because I am relatively new to the style of photography I want to learn and do not feel qualified to say something. If I have something that would be constructive or a comment in general, I might post it but I have the feeling that other members are going to give me "what for" for having said something, so I say nothing. And I read all the comments in an effort to glean information that will be helpful to me. I know how to "search" for information and do that regularly. But, I must say that the snide remarks and hateful comments of so many here don't convince me to stay.

With that in mind, since I recently purchased a Nikon camera and lenses, I also joined the Nikonians. Now I am sure there are websites for Canon users, Leica users, Pentax, etc., so I am not saying the Nikonians website is better because it is a group of Nikon users with "better" equipment.

What I will say is this: The people on that web-site are respectful, make constructive comments and offer ways to improve, and always make notice of their new users. They are willing to offer advice about lenses, camera bodies, and to try to work with "newbies" such as I to improve my photography skills. They recommend books, other websites, and generally try to cooperate and help those who are trying to learn more and create better photographs. But most important of all, they do not argue among each other and criticize the knowledge or lack thereof, of other members.

While I started out here posting a few photos of which I was proud, I quickly realized that only 3 members even bothered to comment, one way or another, about them. I am thick skinned and can take constructive criticism; never having a comment left me realizing that much as I wanted to, I just did not fit in. I guess I was NOT a member of one of those cliques. Ok, no problem. So I come to read and try to learn, and hopefully see some photographs that I like and enjoy.

With all this in mind, I hope the new galleries will be more beneficial and that members will feel welcome to participate. Time will tell. Until I see how it goes, I will remain on the sidelines.
While I am a relatively new member here (about 5-6... (show quote)


Hello Patty, I read your comment above. It made me curious so I viewed all your photo posts and read all the comments. I think you got a normal amount of positive comments. I saw a few helpful and gentle suggestions, but no mean ones, so I am confused. I added a comment to a few of your posts if you care to go back and see them. I posted a photo recently that did not get any commentsl. You can't win them all.

I hope you will put your toe back in the water. People can learn a lot here to improve their photos, and have an enjoyable time in the process.

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Oct 31, 2013 08:06:46   #
redpepper Loc: Central NY
 
I'd have to take the time to reread posts to filter them out. I've read replies that indicate a new photographer acquire some entry level instruction on the exposure triangle before even posting. Of course, the advice came across unpolished and I'm sure the new photographer stopped in their tracks with that one.

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Oct 31, 2013 08:10:15   #
redpepper Loc: Central NY
 
Also, rpavich is a fine example of what a ughh mentor should be. He is a professional that offers inspiring advice no matter what level the poster is at.

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Oct 31, 2013 08:11:47   #
Nightski
 
redpepper wrote:
I'd have to take the time to reread posts to filter them out. I've read replies that indicate a new photographer acquire some entry level instruction on the exposure triangle before even posting. Of course, the advice came across unpolished and I'm sure the new photographer stopped in their tracks with that one.


Okay, well I would not discourage any post in the new section. That's what it's all about. Posting and then learning. How can you learn unless you make mistakes? My requirement is that the person posting is ready to learn. I do hope for some examples of what a "Gallery" quality photo looks like. It helps to see what you are shooting for.

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Oct 31, 2013 08:14:11   #
Nightski
 
redpepper wrote:
Also, rpavich is a fine example of what a ughh mentor should be. He is a professional that offers inspiring advice no matter what level the poster is at.


I think I have referred to him as "Father UHH" in one of my posts. And you know, we need the rpaviches as well as the Nikonian72's and Alaskans. These men aren't as comforting as rpavich, but they are very helpful.

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Oct 31, 2013 08:22:10   #
minniev Loc: MIssissippi
 
redpepper wrote:
I'd have to take the time to reread posts to filter them out. I've read replies that indicate a new photographer acquire some entry level instruction on the exposure triangle before even posting. Of course, the advice came across unpolished and I'm sure the new photographer stopped in their tracks with that one.


I agree. Those kinds of responses are NOT very helpful (take a class, read your manual, etc) and I hope those will be discouraged on the new section. People need specifics, not gruff generalities. I'd also like to see us build a bank of resources on the section in a locked thread managed by the thread "leader" and be able to suggest to the poster which resource might help them with a particular problem. When you're first starting, the amount of material you're trying to decipher and remember how to use is overwhelming. The relatively new PP section has started such a bank of materials, some written by other members, and it has been appreciated. I hope the new section will work closely with the PP section as their interests will overlap.

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Oct 31, 2013 08:23:39   #
Granddad Loc: UK
 
Wahawk wrote:
I am referring to whoever is involved with the breaking into additional, unneeded sections, not directly against you as I do not know who is really responsible.


It seems to me you are not very sure of your own images that you post on here. I have looked at your images and I must be honest they are a lot to be desired and C/C is certainly needed on them. As for hand holding a light camera that you use and use digital zoom on top of optical zoom is a big no no. Have you ever tried holding binoculars steady without the object moving up and down because of the focal length, most if not ALL people can't do it. I see so many images on here and they get the usual 'nice shot', what does that mean in true photographical terms. The new one which is taking shape it should be for honest C/C and if you are not sure of what you are talking about, hold fire until you have the experience to know how to word proper C/C. C/C a image can be frightening if you think what you are saying maybe not right but that is the way to learn and if you have sensible people who know they are not being 'Attacked or Bullied' they will or should give a fair answer to your C/C.
Dave.

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Oct 31, 2013 08:27:28   #
redpepper Loc: Central NY
 
We'll said minniev

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Oct 31, 2013 12:31:01   #
RobertW Loc: Breezy Point, New York
 
Just for fun and to stir the old bloodflow up--
There is no word "misspellations" in the English language

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Oct 31, 2013 12:49:43   #
Granddad Loc: UK
 
RobertW wrote:
Just for fun and to stir the old bloodflow up--
There is no word "misspellations" in the English language


......and there is no 'I' in we.....

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Oct 31, 2013 12:54:33   #
Heirloom Tomato Loc: Oregon
 
RobertW wrote:
Just for fun and to stir the old bloodflow up--
There is no word "misspellations" in the English language


To pick another nit, it might be better to say stir up the old bloodflow rather than saying stir the old bloodflow up. English is a difficult language. We all err from time to time.

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Oct 31, 2013 15:09:20   #
Nightski
 
The new gallery is open. The rules are posted. Don't forget to subscribe to it, so it comes up in your sections list on the home page. :-D

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Oct 31, 2013 15:38:09   #
Raleigh Loc: Reside in Olympia WA
 
Thank you.
A couple of dumb questions. Where and how do I subscribe and read the rules for the new post.
Thanks again,
Raleigh

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