ole sarg Loc: south florida

Instead of you being an asshole, I see lots of space taken up by right wing LIES! and no complaint from you!

Bazbo Loc: Lisboa, Portugal

I said that "anyone with employer provided insurance". If a business decides to cancel their coverage, that is a business decision and has nothing to do with the law. Business provided health insurance is voluntary and always has been.

However, businesses with a highly skilled labor force will not suffer the competitive disadvantages of canceling coverage. Time will tell, but I believe that businesses that cancel coverage will be limited to those that employ low skilled and easily replaceable workers. They also have to factor in the cost of replacing and training replacement workers, which can cost more than health insurance coverage. For that reason alone, I think that businesses that cancel coverage will by and large, regret it.

I know that my business could not tolerate a high employee turnover rate and stay competitive.

heyrob Loc: Western Washington

Wow another highly intelligent post from sarg. Perhaps before calling others a holes one should check the mirror to see the they are not calling the pot black bottom.

heyrob Loc: Western Washington

One could always move to one of those much better places rather than shove your beliefs down other peoples throats against their will.

heyrob Loc: Western Washington

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Bazbo Loc: Lisboa, Portugal

Well, lets talk about beliefs being shoved down throats, shall we?

The ACA was duly passed by the legislature, signed by the President, and upheld by SCOTUS. Being the Constitutional Scholar, that you are, you know this was perfectly by the book.

I also recall that 2012 election (not that long ago), the president ran against a man whose number one priority was to repeal the ACA "On Day One". In fact, that was almost the only thing he talked about. If the American people wanted to repudiate the ACA, this election was the perfect time to do so.

Yet the President was reelected in the only poll that counts--an actual election.

The way to repeal a law is through the legislative process. Yet your side does not have the votes.

So what do the right wingers resort to? Parliamentary stunts and holding a political gun to the rest of us via threats to shut sown the government if you don't get your way. Temper tantrum politics.

Did I mention that you guys lost the last election? Does that not mean anything to you? What is it about democratic process that you don't understand?

I think it is the radical right wing shoving their crap down the throats of the rest of us.

Looking forward to your standard issue insults.

Screamin Scott Loc: Marshfield Wi, Baltimore Md, now Dallas Ga

Yes, you are an asshole...No netiquette principles & ignorant to boot...Both sides lie & mis-inform, but you are too narrow minded to see that...quote=ole sarg]Instead of you being an asshole, I see lots of space taken up by right wing LIES! and no complaint from you![/quote]

Screamin Scott Loc: Marshfield Wi, Baltimore Md, now Dallas Ga

I would think that you want everything to be "fair"...How's the Feds picking up 75% of the cost for Federal employees (including highly compensated ones) fair ? BTW, it's still "employer provided coverage", it's not like they had to go out in the marketplace to secure it... They get group rates...Sounds like you are simply trying to distort the issue......

Screamin Scott Loc: Marshfield Wi, Baltimore Md, now Dallas Ga

"Duly passed by the Legislature"? I hardly think so. It was legislated behind closed doors without any input from Republicans, . Sweetheart deals were made with legislators to ensure their votes & the only part upheld by SCOTUS was the mandate... Distorting facts again are we... Typical leftist maneuver......

Bazbo Loc: Lisboa, Portugal

It sounds like you have the "fairness" issue, not me. The Feds also pick up 100% of Federal workers salaries, including the highly compensated ones.

All employers get group rates. I am just point out facts. It is very hard to see how I am distorting anything. If anyone is attempting to distort anything, it is you, not me.

Screamin Scott Loc: Marshfield Wi, Baltimore Md, now Dallas Ga

How juvenile of you... Of course they pick up 100% of the employees wages. That's not the same as insurance benefits. The only ones I know of that get such good benefits are Union members (like Longshoreman & Auto workers & they are against the ACA, for themselves anyway) or company executives...Group rates & the Feds picking up 75% of the premium are different animals & you know it. You are just trying to muddle the issue.

Bazbo Loc: Lisboa, Portugal

No input from Republicans? The basic law was a Republican/Heritage Foundation idea. Your only real complaint is that your side did not have the votes to get what you wanted. Thats what elections are about. Sometimes you lose elections. Get over it.

As far as input from Republicans is concerned, why do you not account for the idiotic lies about "death panels" etc. that your side filled the political discourse in the summer of 2009? How about the Tea Party signs that demanded that the Government get out of Medicare? Or called Obama a Nazi and a Communist on the same sign?

You are in no position to accuse me of distorting facts. I have read the actual law. Have you?

At the end of the day, there was a vote and your side lost. There was an election, and your side lost. There was a SCOTUS ruling and your side lost. Because your side lost, it is temper tantrum politics and parliamentary stunts, as your side is willing to do great harm to the country because you did not get your way. No distortion here.

Bazbo Loc: Lisboa, Portugal

Insult is not argument. My comment was germane and in context with your response to which I was responding. Insult is the refuge of someone who has lost the argument on the facts.

Screamin Scott Loc: Marshfield Wi, Baltimore Md, now Dallas Ga

Useless to argue with you as you are in the Kool Aid too deep. I never said anything about the Tea Party as I don't believe in all that they do. You are making an ass out of yourself by assuming my ideals & principals. As for the signs denigrating Obama, I'm sure you don't have any problems when the shoe was on the other foot with say the signs portraying Bush & Palin in negative light. No, I didn't think so otherwise you would not have made the comment. As for the "Death Panels" et al, that discoursewas in the Media, not the halls of Congress. You know damn well that the Republicans were excluded from drawing up the Bill...

Bazbo Loc: Lisboa, Portugal

Then stop arguing with me. You are wrong on the facts. You obviously have no idea how employer-provided group plans work.

For the record, I did not approve of any signs denigrating any Republican politician either. Its just that those signs were not germane to the conversation. Gallant attempt to change the subject, but it won't work with me.