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Oct 1, 2013 15:46:18   #
Penny MG Loc: Fresno, Texas
 
[quote=Bazbo]Anyone with employer provided health care insurance will not be affected by the ACA.

That's providing the company has the money to pay for health insurance for its employees. Many companies are just trying to keep their heads above water right now, so making them insure their employed is already difficult. Some employers are cutting workers hours so they do not have to pay. So, yes, indirectly it WILL affect them. Some employers are stating they will no longer cover families....There have been multiple comments and examples of this on the most recent threads on this site alone.

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Oct 1, 2013 15:48:40   #
Penny MG Loc: Fresno, Texas
 
heyrob wrote:
One could always move to one of those much better places rather than shove your beliefs down other peoples throats against their will.


That is an option! :thumbup:

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Oct 1, 2013 15:49:56   #
creativ simon Loc: Coulsdon, South London
 
Budnjax wrote:
Harry Reid let the cat out of the bag recently when he admitted, on a Nevada PBS show, that Obamacare is but a step in the direction of a single-payer health care system. Amazing how most of the lame stream media which suckles on Obummer failed to report this unusual truth-telling by Reid. Guess Dear Leader really was lying when he said folks would be able to keep their same doctor and insurance. Also amazing is a recent FedSmith survey of federal employees on Obamacare: 97% of them want nothing to do with it! How can this be? The federal unions all told us that Obamacare was the best thing to happen since sliced bread, so why don't they insist on being included under it? The people to administer Obamacare want nothing to do with it for themselves? What hypocrites! The House/Senate should immediately amend this monstrosity to include all federal employees, Obama and Biden, all military and contractors....with no exceptions, whatever. The best way to get rid of bad law is to stringently enforce it on everyone and allow no one to be exempted.
Harry Reid let the cat out of the bag recently whe... (show quote)


England is no different

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Oct 1, 2013 15:53:07   #
Penny MG Loc: Fresno, Texas
 
Bazbo wrote:
Well, lets talk about beliefs being shoved down throats, shall we?

The ACA was duly passed by the legislature, signed by the President, and upheld by SCOTUS. Being the Constitutional Scholar, that you are, you know this was perfectly by the book.

I also recall that 2012 election (not that long ago), the president ran against a man whose number one priority was to repeal the ACA "On Day One". In fact, that was almost the only thing he talked about. If the American people wanted to repudiate the ACA, this election was the perfect time to do so.

Yet the President was reelected in the only poll that counts--an actual election.

The way to repeal a law is through the legislative process. Yet your side does not have the votes.

So what do the right wingers resort to? Parliamentary stunts and holding a political gun to the rest of us via threats to shut sown the government if you don't get your way. Temper tantrum politics.

Did I mention that you guys lost the last election? Does that not mean anything to you? What is it about democratic process that you don't understand?

I think it is the radical right wing shoving their crap down the throats of the rest of us.

Looking forward to your standard issue insults.
Well, lets talk about beliefs being shoved down th... (show quote)


The republicans may have lost the election, but the entire country is losing its integrity because of the election. That is showing in recent polls. Just last week Diane Sawyer (no, NOT fox news....I don't watch Fox) was stating the Obama's approval rating is down to 37 %. Why is that? Possibly because the American public, even some who voted for him, are realizing that he cannot produce what he said he would?

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Oct 1, 2013 16:06:41   #
Penny MG Loc: Fresno, Texas
 
bvm wrote:
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When will ole sarg be indicted or at least sued for his GROSS
PLAGIARISM ????????????????????????????????????


No kidding!!!! THis was ridiculous!!!!

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Oct 1, 2013 16:19:42   #
Penny MG Loc: Fresno, Texas
 
Bazbo wrote:
Insult is not argument. If you do not know the difference between a tax on investment income and a transfer tax, then your ignorance is your problem. I am not going to take the time to explain it to you.

What does it have to do with healthcare? Who cares? It is just a funding mechanism. Its the law, which your side could have stopped if you had the votes. Finding democracy a little irritating, are we?

What does defunding the ACA have to do with keeping the government from shutting down? Oh thats right--the right wingers are throwing a hissy fit because they do not like the results of the last election.

Only right wingers can add irrelevant noise to public policy discussions? Don't be such hypocrites. It is just too transparent and altogether laughable.
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The right wing are speaking out for what many "ordinary" people want. Many "ordinary" people do not want to be FORCED to purchase healthcare insurance. The ACA is losing its appeal to some who thought they would get something for nothing. Yes, some of the low information voters were thinking they were going to get a free ride. Now they are learning that they are not. They will have to pay for insurance and they are not liking it. The republicans have stated from the beginning that in its current state the ACA will not be successful. So what's the harm in waiting another year to get the wrinkles ironed out so to speak. Are the libs so afraid of losing it because its so bad? I personally....just like with photography...only want the best plan laid out. I don't think wasting money and causing excess stress while ironing out "wrinkles" is a good plan. And I certainly don't believe giving the IRS the authority to oversee the compliance of the plan is reasonable.

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Oct 1, 2013 16:20:27   #
Penny MG Loc: Fresno, Texas
 
Michael Hartley wrote:
What does it have to do with healthcare? Who cares?
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That's right, who cares?

What's in the ACA, who cares?

How will it be funded, who cares?

What are the downfalls, who cares?

Sounds just like the politicians voting on something, they haven't read. Who cares?

Get it done, and over, We have tee times.


You are correct and I love the voice of reason! :thumbup: :thumbup:

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Oct 2, 2013 11:20:04   #
Bazbo Loc: Lisboa, Portugal
 
bvm wrote:
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hey Bozo,
the original was 2,800 pages NOW it's 17,000 But you love it, so much for going green, think of all the trees that gave their lives for BO!


Still looking for a link. All you can add is hot air.

I provided a link to the actual law (about 1.000 pages). But you cannot provide any evidence whatsoever to back up your claim. You are proving yourself not to be not interested in actual facts.

Are you stupid or lazy to read the actual law? Do you think your over-heated opinion carries more weight than actual facts?

You can bang your little spoon on your high chair all you want. It does not change actual facts.

Do you think that making fun of my screen name is intellect? It is childish and pathetic.

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Oct 2, 2013 11:26:57   #
Bazbo Loc: Lisboa, Portugal
 
Penny MG wrote:
The right wing are speaking out for what many "ordinary" people want. Many "ordinary" people do not want to be FORCED to purchase healthcare insurance. The ACA is losing its appeal to some who thought they would get something for nothing. Yes, some of the low information voters were thinking they were going to get a free ride. Now they are learning that they are not. They will have to pay for insurance and they are not liking it. The republicans have stated from the beginning that in its current state the ACA will not be successful. So what's the harm in waiting another year to get the wrinkles ironed out so to speak. Are the libs so afraid of losing it because its so bad? I personally....just like with photography...only want the best plan laid out. I don't think wasting money and causing excess stress while ironing out "wrinkles" is a good plan. And I certainly don't believe giving the IRS the authority to oversee the compliance of the plan is reasonable.
The right wing are speaking out for what many &quo... (show quote)


Then please explain how Obama was reelected when he ran against a man whose stated priority was to repeal Obamacare on day one. It seems to me that millions of ordinary Americans had a chance to repudiate the ACA and choose not to do so. Romney not only lost the last election, but he lost by a pretty wide margin.

Elections are the only polls that matter. If you want to get rid of the ACA, there is a democratic way to do it. But you don't have the votes.

Is the problem is that you are just irritated by democracy?

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Oct 2, 2013 11:31:20   #
Bazbo Loc: Lisboa, Portugal
 
Penny MG wrote:
The republicans may have lost the election, but the entire country is losing its integrity because of the election. That is showing in recent polls. Just last week Diane Sawyer (no, NOT fox news....I don't watch Fox) was stating the Obama's approval rating is down to 37 %. Why is that? Possibly because the American public, even some who voted for him, are realizing that he cannot produce what he said he would?


And the approval rating for Congress is 10%. Why is that? Possibly because 72% of Americans disagree that the government should be shut down to de-fund the ACA, and 57% of Americans blame the Republicans.

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Oct 2, 2013 17:29:33   #
Penny MG Loc: Fresno, Texas
 
Bazbo wrote:
And the approval rating for Congress is 10%. Why is that? Possibly because 72% of Americans disagree that the government should be shut down to de-fund the ACA, and 57% of Americans blame the Republicans.


Or maybe its because Congress doesn't do their job and pass a budget (since 2009).

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